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rjs330

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The Taliban have not been destroyed or reduced to such a low state.
That's all because we "played fair". Bleeding hearts unite! Yeah we killed a lot of Taliban before they headed for the hills and into other countries. Then we chickened out. In fact there were far too many American lives lost to those savages all because we chose to play fair.

Israel has a few of those same qualms but not as many.
 
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That's all because we "played fair". Bleeding hearts unite! Yeah we killed a lot of Taliban before they headed for the hills and into other countries. Then we chickened out. In fact there were far too many American lives lost to those savages all because we chose to play fair.

Israel has a few of those same qualms but not as many.
One of the main refuges of the Taliban was pakistan. Would you suggest that the USA should have invaded Pakistan?
 
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Yes but what would be the consequences for peace in the Middle East?
It's interesting that you think there will ever be peace in the middle east. There won't be as long as Palestinians live in Gaza. They are committed to Israel's destruction. Even if Israel gets rid of Hamas from Palestine that won't be the end of it. There isn't any evidence that there can be peace there. The Arabs can't seem to help themselves.
 
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One of the main refuges of the Taliban was pakistan. Would you suggest that the USA should have invaded Pakistan?
I don't think that would have been necessary if we didn't let them go in the first place.

But then this isn't an Afghanistan thread. It was only mentioned because someone brought it up as an example of how a terrorist group can't be defeated.

I believe our assertion is that it can be if one doesn't adhere to the fair fight doctrine.
 
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I don't think that would have been necessary if we didn't let them go in the first place.
Some took off before we had troops on the ground, Gitmo is pretty big bit not large enough to hold tens of thousands of “detainees”. What else could we have done with them?
But then this isn't an Afghanistan thread. It was only mentioned because someone brought it up as an example of how a terrorist group can't be defeated.

I believe our assertion is that it can be if one doesn't adhere to the fair fight doctrine.
Are you advocating for nation-states to commit war crimes?
 
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It's interesting that you think there will ever be peace in the middle east. There won't be as long as Palestinians live in Gaza.
Where should Palestinians go, according to you?
 
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My contention is that Hamas uses human shields... which you were denying a post ago.
As I stated earlier Hamas being "embedded" in the general community is an inevitable consequence of such a densely populated territory as quoted from a newspaper article.
People may be joining Hamas at this time.
Assertion isn't evidence.
Writing "may be" means it wasn't an assertion: basic English
I pointed out the Shining Path as an example earlier....but if you want another one...
These examples aren't comparable. At least you've rowed back on IS and AQ who are still functioning.
Gazans were told to move to the south where many were bombed and killed.

Assertions aren't evidence.
This is common knowledge if you follow the news
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Oct 25 (Reuters) - Israel has told civilians in the northern Gaza Strip, including residents of Gaza City, to move to the south of the enclave, saying it will be safer there as the military attacks Hamas following its Oct. 7 cross-border assault.

However, Israeli warplanes have continued to hit sites in southern Gaza, spreading fear among the evacuees that they are just as vulnerable there as they were in their homes in the north. Here is an overview of the situation.
Well...they support Hamas in Palestine. I don't know if they'd support Hamas attacking from Iran. They'd certainly risk retaliation from the US and other Israeli allies. They'd also risk nuclear annihilation from Israel.
Isn't this an example of you speculating. Maybe it's better for you to abandon your nit picking.
There is no peace in Palestine and Israel. Palestine launches hundreds if not thousands of rockets, mortars, and other munitions into Israel every year. I don't see any lasting peace while Palestinians still exist in Gaza and the West Bank.
And the mirage of destroying Hamas won't happen. In the end (as in N Ireland) a political solution is needed not more war, violence and death.
 
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That's all because we "played fair". Bleeding hearts unite! Yeah we killed a lot of Taliban before they headed for the hills and into other countries. Then we chickened out. In fact there were far too many American lives lost to those savages all because we chose to play fair.

Israel has a few of those same qualms but not as many.
Mere supposition by you.
 
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Would these be the same spokesmen than claimed that an Israeli rocket struck the hospital and killed hundreds?

Extremely trustworthy those terrorist spokespersons.
The video was linked by Ana the 1st. You should take this up with Ana the 1st.
 
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They did? Who said? Those same Hamas spokespersons? Hamas sympathizers?
No Reuters for one
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Oct 25 (Reuters) - Israel has told civilians in the northern Gaza Strip, including residents of Gaza City, to move to the south of the enclave, saying it will be safer there as the military attacks Hamas following its Oct. 7 cross-border assault.

However, Israeli warplanes have continued to hit sites in southern Gaza, spreading fear among the evacuees that they are just as vulnerable there as they were in their homes in the north. Here is an overview of the situation.
 
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It's interesting that you think there will ever be peace in the middle east. There won't be as long as Palestinians live in Gaza. They are committed to Israel's destruction. Even if Israel gets rid of Hamas from Palestine that won't be the end of it. There isn't any evidence that there can be peace there. The Arabs can't seem to help themselves.
This could have been said about Europe until 1945, and there have been smaller wars in Europe since then. The Bible teaches us that it is humans, not just Arabs who "can't seem to help themselves." The death toll in the American Civil War was far greater than in Israel/Palestine. Your comment here was racist.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Note it is "all" not "Arabs".
 
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I don't think that would have been necessary if we didn't let them go in the first place.

But then this isn't an Afghanistan thread. It was only mentioned because someone brought it up as an example of how a terrorist group can't be defeated.

I believe our assertion is that it can be if one doesn't adhere to the fair fight doctrine.
What kind of actions should Israel take that don't fall into this doctrine but would bring it victory?
 
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I pointed out the Shining Path as an example earlier...
Shining path is still active.

shining path.jpg


That's infamous African terrorist Joseph Kony. He leads the Lord's Resistance Army....a terrorist organization once over 60,000 members strong. Now he's suspected of hiding in Darfur....with less than 100 followers.
The Lord's Resistance Army never had anywhere close to 60,000 members. At it's height it may have had 5,000 to 6,000. There are estimated to be between 200 and 1,000 LRA members today. They continue to carry out attacks on civilians and kidnap children.

Elements of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) continue to carry out attacks and abductions in the Haut-Mbomou prefecture, in southeastern Central African Republic. The security situation is volatile. The local population continues to flee LRA attacks.


The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) operates in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, South Sudan and Uganda. It regularly attacks south-eastern parts of the CAR, especially Haut-Mbomou province.


In 2021, a total of 329 children (262 boys, 67 girls), some as young as 7, were verified as having been recruited and used, by armed groups: Coalition des patriotes pour le changement (CPC) (Front populaire pour la renaissance de la Centrafrique (FPRC), joint operations by anti-balaka and Retour, réclamation et réhabilitation (3R), unidentified CPC, anti-balaka, 3R; Union pour la paix en Centrafrique (UPC); and the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA).



Whatever dreams you have about terrorist organizations being impossible to defeat are just dreams....not reality.
Neither of the examples you gave prove that terrorist groups can be defeated militarily. In both examples, each terrorist group is still active and continues to carry out terrorist activities today, although in a much diminished capacity than in the past. It has been intellegence operations, law enforcement and the courts that have been most effective in reducing the treats posed by these two groups.
 
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That's all because we "played fair". Bleeding hearts unite! ... all because we chose to play fair.
Abiding by recognized norms of warfare is one way we tell ourselves we're the good guys.


Israel has a few of those same qualms but not as many.
Being 'flexible' with the recognized norms of warfare is one way we know a group is not the good guys.

(To cut off one unnecessary back and forth, of course Hamas is not the good guys.)
 
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Abiding by recognized norms of warfare is one way we tell ourselves we're the good guys.



Being 'flexible' with the recognized norms of warfare is one way we know a group is not the good guys.

(To cut off one unnecessary back and forth, of course Hamas is not the good guys.)
They’re not fighting an enemy that follows the recognized norms of warfare or the recognized norms of anything
 
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