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Not persuasive. "In the day" is not the same as "on the day", even in modern English. "In the day" can often mean "in the era" or some such. See the same chapter of Gen, where "in the day the heavens and earth were created" is used to mean "in the era of creation", and it means 6 (or 7) days. Is the author trying to convince us that between Gen 2:4 and Gen 2:17 the meaning changed to only mean a single 24 hr period?
I suggest you reread this article because beyom is only used three times in the first three chapters of Genesis (2:4,17; 3:5).

Here is how beyom (in the day) was used in its 194 other occurrences in the Old Testament.


Yom (day) is used 8 times in the first three chapters of Genesis.

 
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I suggest you reread this article because beyom is only used three times in the first three chapters of Genesis (2:4,17; 3:5).

Here is how beyom (in the day) was used in its 194 other occurrences in the Old Testament.


Yom (day) is used 8 times in the first three chapters of Genesis.

Right. That shows what I was saying...that "in the day" can mean something that is not just a single day. (I'm not saying it never means in a single day, but that it could mean something that is NOT a single day.)
 
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So, since "in the day" can mean "in that era" then Adam died physically "in the day" he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God described the death they would die as a result of eating of the tree:
[Gen 3:19 KJV] 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

"Dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return." That doesn't sound a bit like "spiritual" death.
 
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Right. That shows what I was saying...that "in the day" can mean something that is not just a single day. (I'm not saying it never means in a single day, but that it could mean something that is NOT a single day.)
Beyom literally means "in the day" or "on the day". That article was written by someone who knows the Hebrew intimately. You on the other hand are just making things up to custom fit to your doctrine. You need to read that article because look at what you are doing to the Law of God.

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So, since "in the day" can mean "in that era" then Adam died physically "in the day" he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God described the death they would die as a result of eating of the tree:
[Gen 3:19 KJV] 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

"Dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return." That doesn't sound a bit like "spiritual" death.
Are you arguing for the fact that Adam and Eve were immortal? Then why would they need to eat? Likewise God blessed every living creature to be fruitful and multiple. Why would they need to eat too? And for theories sake, if Adam and Eve had not sinned I guess the world would have become quite a crowded place in no time and been deforested. Imagine predators not keeping cockroaches, locusts, rodents, and other destructive pestilence in check many of which can have an astronomical high reproductive rates.
 
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If Adam and Eve were truly immortal, why would they need to eat and drink? Why would they require a digestive system including a means of waste disposal? Also, could they survive any and all peril or bodily harm?

in the day you eat ... ... an eating in the sixth day being mans day as apposed to an eating in the seventh day being the Lords day ... one of labor and one of rest ... a law unto death and a law unto Life ...
 
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Beyom literally means "in the day" or "on the day". That article was written by someone who knows the Hebrew intimately.
You don't know Hebrew intimately? Then how can you be sure that guy does not have an agenda in his interpretations? You're just trusting some guy. Yet I'm just saying that you CAN'T assume, like he does, that "beyom" means "in a 24 hour or less period of time", because in the same chapter of the bible it means nore than a 24 hour period of time. Your citations prove what I was saying. Yet you say the guy is correct?


You on the other hand are just making things up to custom fit to your doctrine. You need to read that article because look at what you are doing to the Law of God.
Is your interpretation, that you got second-hand, "the Law of God". Sounds mighty presumptuous to me.
 
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Are you arguing for the fact that Adam and Eve were immortal? Then why would they need to eat? Likewise God blessed every living creature to be fruitful and multiple. Why would they need to eat too? And for theories sake, if Adam and Eve had not sinned I guess the world would have become quite a crowded place in no time and been deforested. Imagine predators not keeping cockroaches, locusts, rodents, and other destructive pestilence in check many of which can have an astronomical high reproductive rates.
You don't think God thought of that?
If Adam and Eve were truly immortal, why would they need to eat and drink? Why would they require a digestive system including a means of waste disposal? Also, could they survive any and all peril or bodily harm?
You're assuming again. We will eat after we receive our resurrection bodies, why not before we became mortal?
 
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You don't know Hebrew intimately? Then how can you be sure that guy does not have an agenda in his interpretations? You're just trusting some guy. Yet I'm just saying that you CAN'T assume, like he does, that "beyom" means "in a 24 hour or less period of time", because in the same chapter of the bible it means nore than a 24 hour period of time. Your citations prove what I was saying. Yet you say the guy is correct?



Is your interpretation, that you got second-hand, "the Law of God". Sounds mighty presumptuous to me.
Let's suppose he is right, that beyom means on the day. The thing is it still doesn't prove anything in his favor. If God was saying there was going to be a spiritual death, or a separation of the close relation they shared in the garden, which does seem to be the case, this also means that the process of death would result. And I think Adam knew that being the intelligent creature God made him. I think about the song, Praise to the Lord, the Almighty. One line reads, "for He is thy health and salvation". To lose closeness with God is to lose quality of life.
 
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Let's suppose he is right, that beyom means on the day. The thing is it still doesn't prove anything in his favor. If God was saying there was going to be a spiritual death, or a separation of the close relation they shared in the garden, which does seem to be the case, this also means that the process of death would result. And I think Adam knew that being the intelligent creature God made him. I think about the song, Praise to the Lord, the Almighty. One line reads, "for He is thy health and salvation". To lose closeness with God is to lose quality of life.
Adam's sin lead to eternal separation from God. God walked with Adam in the Garden. God spoke with Adam and visited him. Had Adam not sinned he would have died and become a saint in Heaven. God can not abide with sin making the Law and Christ's death and resurrection absolutely necessary to restore what was lost in the Garden.

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:30

By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. Hebrews 10:9-10,16

Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. Hebrews 11:28

“Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he SHALL NEVER SEE death” John 8:51

“Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he may die, HE SHALL LIVE. And whoever lives and believes in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Do you believe this?’” John 11:25-26

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14:3

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is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is SOWN a natural body, it is RAISED a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a LIVING BEING.” The last Adam became a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT.

However, the SPIRITUAL is not first, but the NATURAL, and afterward the SPIRITUAL. The first man was of the earth, MADE OF DUST; the second Man is the LORD OF HEAVEN. As was the MAN OF DUST, so also are those who are MADE OF DUST; and as is the HEAVENLY MAN, so also are those who are HEAVENLY. And as we have borne the image of the MAN OF DUST, we shall also bear the image of the HEAVENLY MAN.
Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD cannot INHERIT the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:39-50

I reiterate:

Christ was the first to be raised from the dead, the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15:19f).

But Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death (many people were raised from physical death prior to Jesus’ resurrection).

Therefore, the death of Adam, from which Christ was the first to be raised, was not physical death.

Jesus was the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15)—the first to come “out from among” the dead.

Jesus was not the first to be raised from physical death.

Thus, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15, the resurrection from the death of Adam, is not physical resurrection.

Paul says Christ was the first to be raised “out from the dead,” (the death of Adam),

Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death,

Therefore, it must be true that the death of Adam was not physical death.

And it must also be true that Christ was the first to be raised out of spiritual death.


Adam and Eve weren't immortal but simply once had sinless standing before God but lost it. They put their doubts in God into open rebellion. There is never going to be a future bodily resurrection. Christ sits upon the Throne of David now judging the nations. Here is my brief overview of my eschatology and how it relates to the sin of Adam and our spiritual resurrection (probably the wrong thread and forum and this is just so you grasp the doctrines I follow):

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You don't know Hebrew intimately? Then how can you be sure that guy does not have an agenda in his interpretations? You're just trusting some guy. Yet I'm just saying that you CAN'T assume, like he does, that "beyom" means "in a 24 hour or less period of time", because in the same chapter of the bible it means nore than a 24 hour period of time. Your citations prove what I was saying. Yet you say the guy is correct?



Is your interpretation, that you got second-hand, "the Law of God". Sounds mighty presumptuous to me.
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Adam's sin lead to eternal separation from God. God walked with Adam in the Garden. God spoke with Adam and visited him. Had Adam not sinned he would have died and become a saint in Heaven. God can not abide with sin making the Law and Christ's death and resurrection absolutely necessary to restore what was lost in the Garden.

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:30

By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. Hebrews 10:9-10,16

Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. Hebrews 11:28

“Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he SHALL NEVER SEE death” John 8:51

“Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he may die, HE SHALL LIVE. And whoever lives and believes in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Do you believe this?’” John 11:25-26

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14:3

All flesh
is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is SOWN a natural body, it is RAISED a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a LIVING BEING.” The last Adam became a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT.

However, the SPIRITUAL is not first, but the NATURAL, and afterward the SPIRITUAL. The first man was of the earth, MADE OF DUST; the second Man is the LORD OF HEAVEN. As was the MAN OF DUST, so also are those who are MADE OF DUST; and as is the HEAVENLY MAN, so also are those who are HEAVENLY. And as we have borne the image of the MAN OF DUST, we shall also bear the image of the HEAVENLY MAN.
Now this I say, brethren, that FLESH AND BLOOD cannot INHERIT the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:39-50

I reiterate:

Christ was the first to be raised from the dead, the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15:19f).

But Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death (many people were raised from physical death prior to Jesus’ resurrection).

Therefore, the death of Adam, from which Christ was the first to be raised, was not physical death.

Jesus was the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15)—the first to come “out from among” the dead.

Jesus was not the first to be raised from physical death.

Thus, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15, the resurrection from the death of Adam, is not physical resurrection.

Paul says Christ was the first to be raised “out from the dead,” (the death of Adam),

Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death,

Therefore, it must be true that the death of Adam was not physical death.

And it must also be true that Christ was the first to be raised out of spiritual death.


Adam and Eve weren't immortal but simply once had sinless standing before God but lost it. They put their doubts in God into open rebellion. There is never going to be a future bodily resurrection. Christ sits upon the Throne of David now judging the nations. Here is my brief overview of my eschatology and how it relates to the sin of Adam and our spiritual resurrection (probably the wrong thread and forum and this is just so you grasp the doctrines I follow):

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But Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death (many people were raised from physical death prior to Jesus’ resurrection).
Yes but Christ ascended into heaven bodily, an important detail you seem to miss.
Adam and Eve weren't immortal but simply once had sinless standing before God but lost it.
Adam and Eve's immortality was conditional. Sure, there was nothing in the forbidden fruit itself, it was a test and God barred them from the tree of life. The implication is that had Adam succeeded in protecting Eve from the serpent, maybe they would have had an immutable immortality.
 
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I really don't need need the charts and attachments as I'm only responding to what you write.

Yes but Christ ascended into heaven bodily, an important detail you seem to miss.

Adam and Eve's immortality was conditional. Sure, there was nothing in the forbidden fruit itself, it was a test and God barred them from the tree of life. The implication is that had Adam succeeded in protecting Eve from the serpent, maybe they would have had an immutable immortality.
The presence of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden implies death was part of the original plan before the fall. We know that eating and reproduction require growth and death processes.

OLD TESTAMENT RESURRECTION: NOT RAISING CORPSES, RATHER, RECONCILIATION TO GOD
A. The Valley of the Dry Bones in Ezekiel 37 conveys relational, figurative resurrection from death when God brought his people back from Babylonian captivity. “And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have opened your sepulchres, and shall have brought you out of your graves, O my people: And shall have PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU AND YOU SHALL LIVE.” Ezk. 37:13-14

JESUS TAUGHT SPIRITUAL RESURRECTION
A. Jesus, in keeping with Old Testament thought, used the word, “death” for being out of relationship and “life” for reconciliation/restoration/resurrection in the story of the Prodigal Son. In the story of the prodigal son: “My son WAS DEAD and IS ALIVE AGAIN, he was lost and is found. “ Lk 15:24
B. Jesus tells us that union with Him is Life/Resurrection.
• Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will still live, even if he [physically] dies. Whoever lives and believes in me will never die..” John 11:25
• "He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me… has passed out of [spiritual] death into [resurrection] life. John 5:24-5
• “This is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” Jn 17:3
• “It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.” John 6:63
C. Jesus’s physical death was a sign. A sign does not point to itself, but to that of greater importance.
“But he answered them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, but no sign will be given it but the sign of Jonah the prophet. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Mt. 12:39

PAUL TAUGHT SPIRITUAL RESURRECTION The life that now belongs to believers is spiritual life i.e. resurrection/union with Christ.
A. ”You were made alive when you were dead in trespasses and sins… Even when we were dead through our trespasses, [He] made us alive together with Christ.” Eph. 2:1-5
B. “You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses.” Col. 2:13
C. “If by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.” Romans 5:16-17

SALVATION FROM ESTRANGEMENT FROM GOD FREES US FROM THE FEAR OF DEATH.

“Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, he also himself in the same way partook of the same, that through death he might bring to nothing him who had the power of [spiritual] death, that is, the devil, and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.” Heb. 2:14-15

SOME SYNONYMOUS TERMS
SPIRITUAL DEATH: alienation, sin, estrangement, separation, curse,” lost”, darkness, etc.
SPIRITUAL LIFE: resurrection, atonement, salvation, redemption, restoration, righteousness, eternal life, “found”, adoption, light, etc.
RESURRECTION/LIFE IMAGES: Messianic Banquet, Marriage Feast, Mount Zion, conquered death, wiping away tears, New Heavens and Earth, New Jerusalem, Kingdom of God, armor of light, house not made with hands, kingdom of light, “in Christ”, body of Christ, New Covenant, etc.
 
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The presence of the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden implies death was part of the original plan before the fall. We know that eating and reproduction require growth and death processes.
Death was part of the plan before the fall? You seem to forget that the wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23). You cannot have death before the fall which is the same heresy of theistic evolution. Eating and reproduction does not imply death, that honestly sounds laughable. It implies the opposite. Have you not heard what Adam says of Eve? She is the mother of all living (Ge 3:20). The life-bearer is the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31.
 
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Death was part of the plan before the fall? You seem to forget that the wages of sin is death (Ro 6:23). You cannot have death before the fall which is the same heresy of theistic evolution. Eating and reproduction does not imply death, that honestly sounds laughable. It implies the opposite. Have you not heard what Adam says of Eve? She is the mother of all living (Ge 3:20). The life-bearer is the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31.
Yes, the wages of sin is eternal death, eternal spiritual death.

Yes, you most definitely can have death before the fall. Why do we have to eat food? And what happens if we don't reproduce?


24 rabbits released into wild became 10 billion rabbits in 70 short years migrating across Australia at 80 miles per a year creating a plague in Australia due to lack of natural predators.
 
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Yes, the wages of sin is eternal death, eternal spiritual death.

Yes, you most definitely can have death before the fall. Why do we have to eat food? And what happens if we don't reproduce?


24 rabbits released into wild became 10 billion rabbits in 70 short years migrating across Australia at 80 miles per a year creating a plague in Australia due to lack of natural predators.
What is eternal death to you, is the real question. I believe that both the saved and the lost shall be resurrected; the saved to everlasting life, and the lost to everlasting punishment.

Death is unnatural. The fact that we age and die is really an undoing or a reverse of God's created order. The key word is order. Yes, even chaotic and unordered population is not part of God's good design obviously. This is why we were not just commanded to multiply and fill the earth but subdue it take dominion and be good stewards of the planet.
 
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What is eternal death to you, is the real question. I believe that both the saved and the lost shall be resurrected; the saved to everlasting life, and the lost to everlasting punishment.

Death is unnatural. The fact that we age and die is really an undoing or a reverse of God's created order. The key word is order. Yes, even chaotic and unordered population is not part of God's good design obviously. This is why we were not just commanded to multiply and fill the earth but subdue it take dominion and be good stewards of the planet.
Eternal death to me is eternal estrangement and separation from God which happened immediately to Adam and Eve. They were expelled from the Garden and the way was guarded by Cherubim and a flaming sword. The saved and the lost were both resurrected in A.D. 70 and judged. Rev. 20 is speaking about strictly spiritual matters not natural earthly matters.

Here is an important article on Hadean death and what the 1,000 years truly represent:

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