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Why is earth's AGE important to you?

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Why is the age of the earth an important matter to you (if it is)?

What is the most important thing that knowing the age of the earth will tell you?
The age of the earth is of no significant importance to me. As a full preterist, I recognize the death of Adam was a spiritual death and eternal alienation from God. God created mankind to share fellowship with Himself. But Adam and Eve sinned but as God preplanned Jesus restored our fellowship. I do not feel compelled to fit science into my Bible nor fit my Bible into science. They are two entirely different disciplines. The fossil record provides alot of examples of death. Besides if there were no physical death the earth would have been an ecological disaster.
 
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Why do you think the earth had to go through numerous mass extinction events before man was created?
I think those extinctions allowed new life to flourish, and become more resilient via adaptation.
 
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I think those extinctions allowed new life to flourish, and become more resilient via adaptation.
In other words, God didn't make them resilient enough in the first place? And wouldn't an extinction event, by definition, kill off the creatures that weren't resilient enough to survive it? That seems like an odd way to do things.
 
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Likewise, "who" is saying that re extinction events (besides the flood during Noah's Life) ?

Identify the source, and it often eliminates any argument about that.
If God is the source, good and well then.
If not, then ignore - it is at best carnal/ worldly, and at worse deadly to faith/souls.
Did God tell you that 2+2=4? If not, then you should ignore such things and see how well you do come tax time.
 
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In other words, God didn't make them resilient enough in the first place? And wouldn't an extinction event, by definition, kill off the creatures that weren't resilient enough to survive it? That seems like an odd way to do things.
Yeah, to filter out more resilient life. Theistic evolution could be at play.
 
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Yeah, to filter out more resilient life. Theistic evolution could be at play.
I thought that was what natural selection was for. Why did God also need mass extinction events?

And along those lines, wasn't Noah's flood a mass extinction event to get rid of wicked people? If wickedness is a characteristic of the less resilient, couldn't God have just let them die off?
 
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I thought that was what natural selection was for. Why did God also need mass extinction events?

And along those lines, wasn't Noah's flood a mass extinction event to get rid of wicked people? If wickedness is a characteristic of the less resilient, couldn't God have just let them die off?
We probably shouldn't question God's reasoning, as God's reasoning can be above us. I don't know why He allowed extinction events.
 
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Likewise, "who" is saying that re extinction events (besides the flood during Noah's Life) ?
I generally agree with what you're saying, but I don't know if I would even call Noah's flood an extinction event. That is why God brought animals to the ark. The ice age that was triggered by the flood due to volcanic activity and warmer waters and cooler air is likely to have been a cause for the extinction of many species or just man hunting and killing predators to showcase as a trophy or the money they could make for doing so.

But yes I agree with you, there is no need to explain the extinction of many animals due to a massive impact by asteroids. It's more of a mixture of greed and misfortune and whether patterns changing from hot to cold over the course of centuries.
 
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Was buffalo a predator?
Noting that man is responsible for more extinctions of animals than can be realized ....
or is not appreciated as in how much man has destroyed himself, opposed to the Creator and to common sense (is there such a thing?) and to the care of the world and to what once grew remarkably well in the world.
i.e. man is not only a sinner, but man is bad. (apart from sheer grace)
Case in point, mass extinction events are not necessary to explain the way things are. It's actually a great point because it shows that sin allows corruption in the world. We cannot allow theistic evolution as a viable option, because sin before the fall of man is, well, heresy dare I say

And now somewhat related a video on birds
 
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We probably shouldn't question God's reasoning, as God's reasoning can be above us. I don't know why He allowed extinction events.
But we know why he allowed caused the one extinction event, right? Because man was wicked. What if all the extinction events were for that same reason, wickedness?
 
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But we know why he allowed caused the one extinction event, right? Because man was wicked. What if all the extinction events were for that same reason, wickedness?
Well, animals don't have the capability to sin, so the extinction events were just natural.
 
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Well, animals don't have the capability to sin, so the extinction events were just natural.
Natural meaning that God didn't cause them? I thought you said they were necessary to make the animals resilient. Now you're saying God didn't cause the extinction events, but He needed them to make the animals resilient? God needed help to make the animals resilient, and He depended on some kind of random occurrence? Or did He depend on Mother Nature?
 
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As a full preterist I do not believe the fall of man involved physical death at all. PERIOD. Because God warned Adam the DAY he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he would die. Yet, Adam lived 930 years. It does not get any more transparent than that. If God meant a literal physical death in Genesis 2:17, then we are looking at a true extinction event. But no, Adam lived for over nine centuries after the fact.
 

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As a full preterist I do not believe the fall of man involved physical death at all. PERIOD. Because God warned Adam the DAY he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he would die. Yet, Adam lived 930 years. It does not get any more transparent than that. If God meant a literal physical death in Genesis 2:17, then we are looking at a true extinction event. But no, Adam lived for over nine centuries after the fact.
God said you shall surely die (Ge 2:17). Maybe you should rethink the whole full preterist thing because God said that they would begin to die, not that they would die immediately. And get this, they were still given the command to fill the earth and take dominion, so we can be sure no extinction is coming.

BTW I don't know why we keep referring to Noah's flood as an extinction event. If God made sure to preserve Noah and his immediate family and a pair of every kind of animal, it is more likened to a great reset. It is only when wicked leaders of our day try to play god and devise a plan of their own great reset that it is counted as a wicket thing. It was only right that God himself determines such a thing, and he even put his bow in the sky as a sign that he would never do it again.
 
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God said you shall surely die (Ge 2:17). Maybe you should rethink the whole full preterist thing because God said that they would begin to die, not that they would die immediately. And get this, they were still given the command to fill the earth and take dominion, so we can be sure no extinction is coming.

BTW I don't know why we keep referring to Noah's flood as an extinction event. If God made sure to preserve Noah and his immediate family and a pair of every kind of animal, it is more likened to a great reset. It is only when wicked leaders of our day try to play god and devise a plan of their own great reset that it is counted as a wicket thing. It was only right that God himself determines such a thing, and he even put his bow in the sky as a sign that he would never do it again.
He never said they shall begin to die. He said FOR IN THE DAY (beyom -197 occurrences in the Old Testament) that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:17)



“Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he SHALL NEVER SEE death” (John 8:51)

“Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he may die, HE SHALL LIVE. And whoever lives and believes in me SHALL NEVER DIE. Do you believe this?’” (John 11:25-26)

Death is separation from the Lord. Death is the loss of covenantal relationship. Death is also alienation from His Presence.

"Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” therefore the Lord God SENT HIM OUT from the garden of Eden to WORK THE GROUND from which he was taken. HE DROVE OUT THE MAN, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way TO GUARD THE WAY to the tree of life." (Genesis 3:22-24)

The Curse of Adam was alienation and separation from the Father. Jesus experienced the Curse of Adam.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish? My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest. (Psalm 22:1-2)

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), (Galatians 3:13)

Christ was the first to be raised from the dead, the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15:19f).

But Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death (many people were raised from physical death prior to Jesus’ resurrection).

Therefore, the death of Adam, from which Christ was the first to be raised, was not physical death.

Jesus was the first to be raised from the death of Adam (1 Corinthians 15)—the first to come “out from among” the dead.

Jesus was not the first to be raised from physical death.

Thus, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15, the resurrection from the death of Adam, is not physical resurrection.

Paul says Christ was the first to be raised “out from the dead,” (the death of Adam),

Christ was not the first to be raised from physical death,

Therefore, it must be true that the death of Adam was not physical death.

And, It must be true that Christ was the first to be raised out of spiritual death.
 
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scrip speaks of two deaths ...
It speaks of physical death and eternal damnation. At the end of all things is the second death. Adam and Eve were barred from the tree of life when they disobeyed, they were even barred from the garden of eden. They had closeness with God in that he walked among them.
He never said they shall begin to die. He said FOR IN THE DAY (beyom -197 occurrences in the Old Testament) that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:17)
Death is separation from the Lord. Death is the loss of covenantal relationship. Death is also alienation from His Presence.
Death according to the Bible is wages (Ro 6:23).
Adam and Eve were barred from the tree of life making them liable to death.
Spiritual death may be what God intended to convey here, but he meant much more than that. Consider the pronouncements he gives to man and woman (Ge 3:16-17).
Therefore, it must be true that the death of Adam was not physical death.
He was subject to all the miseries that preface it and attend it.
 
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Not persuasive. "In the day" is not the same as "on the day", even in modern English. "In the day" can often mean "in the era" or some such. See the same chapter of Gen, where "in the day the heavens and earth were created" is used to mean "in the era of creation", and it means 6 (or 7) days. Is the author trying to convince us that between Gen 2:4 and Gen 2:17 the meaning changed to only mean a single 24 hr period?
 
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