The Works of the Law

[Clare73]

Perfect example of what I mean about rightly dividing the word of truth.
Lev 12:3 WLC
וּבַיֹּום הַשְּׁמִינִי יִמֹּול בְּשַׂר עָרְלָתֹֽו׃
The pointed Masoretic Hebrew text did not exist in the first century and wasn't even available until almost a thousand years later. The difference between basar and its root basar is the difference between flesh, the flesh, and the good news, a message, or a messenger of the implied message in the context. This is likely another reason Paul says that the Gospel or good news/message was preached to Abraham. The good message is expounded for you already in a previous post where Mosheh warns the reader that he has set before you life and good, and death and evil; life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life. However if one is not studying the original languages then someone else is doing the choosing for them.
Simple definitions from Mickelson's:
H1320 בָּשָׂר basar (baw-sawr') n-m.
1. flesh (from its freshness).
2. (by extension) body, person.
3. (by euphemism) the external genitals of a man.
[from H1319]
KJV: body, (fat, lean) flesh(-ed), kin, (man-)kind, + nakedness, self, skin.
Now look at the root, H1319, for the above word:
H1319 בָּשַׂר basar (baw-sar') v.
1. (properly) to be fresh.
2. to be full (rosy).
3. (figuratively) to be cheerful.
4. to announce (glad news).
[a primitive root]
KJV: messenger, preach, publish, shew forth, (bear, bring, carry, preach, good, tell good) tidings.
The root is employed in well known and famous passages foretelling the good news, good message, or Gospel. Isaiah 52:7 is even quoted in Romans 10:15 after Paul has quoted from Deuteronomy 30 and is yet still expounding without a break in the discourse. Moreover, in the KJV, this same word is actually rendered as a messenger in the following passage:
1 Samuel 4:17 KJV17 And the messenger [H1319 בָּשַׂר] answered and said, Israel is fled before the Philistines, and there hath been also a great slaughter among the people, and thy two sons also, Hophni and Phinehas, are dead, and the ark of God is taken.
If your proverbial messenger is misleading you in what you hear and perceive from the Word within your heart, then the messenger needs to be curtailed, cut away, or cut off, that is, circumcised: for he, (personified), is the old man nature Paul speaks and teaches so much about in his epistles.

Again, the Torah is spiritual, just as Paul says in Romans 7:14a.

The instructions of the Torah can be a patttern/type/prefigure of things of the spiritual order , as seen in the NT, but the instructions themselves regard the physical order, just as the sacrificial grain offering was a physical pattern of the spiritual Bread of Life, Jesus Christ (Jn 6:32-35), sacrificially offered for our complete provision (Php 4:19).

'Tis not me that is not rightly dividing the word of truth in Lev 12:3 of the Torah.

Moreover we have also already seen where the Torah speaks of a foreskin of the heart. Everything has at least two ways of understanding: choose the good, the Life, and soon enough you will begin to be shown, and will begin to realize that there is not even any need to set aside or do away with the Torah.

Not regarding the meaning of the specific word "circumcised" in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, 34:15-24, Ex 12:48.

 

[daq]

Not regarding the meaning of the specific word "circumcised" in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, 34:15-24, Ex 12:48.

I actually used specific meanings of the word in my comments: to curtail, to cut short, to cut down, and sometimes even to destroy, (figuratively implied). All the words discussed herein concerning circumcision apply in all the passages you have referenced, except that in Gen 34:15-24 Shimeon and Levi used what they knew to be the wrong, outward, physical interpretation to do evil and commit murder after having deceived the men of Shechem concerning a physical interpretation of outward physical circumcision, which they then used to slay the whole town. This in itself serves to prove the point if one is reading this passage as instruction: for what does Yakob say to them afterwards?

Genesis 34:30 KJV
30 And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.

And what is the penalty for this egregious misinterpretation of circumcision in order to wipe out a whole city?

Genesis 49:1-4 KJV
1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Reuben loses the birthright for his transgression, (and it passes to the sons of Yoseph).

Genesis 49:5-7 KJV
5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

And the highlighted portion in the above is exactly what happens to them in the Torah. Levi gets taken for the priesthood and scattered throughout the tribes. Shimeon's tribal allotment gets landlocked within the tribe of Yhudah and eventually assimilates into Yhudah. Moreover Yhudah prevails in the genealogy because of these egregious transgressions of Reuben, Shimeon, and Levi.

Reuben was the firstborn, (Gen 29:32), Shimeon was the second, (Gen 29:33), Levi was the third, (Gen 29:34), and Yhudah was the fourth, (Gen 29:34). But what happens? Yhudah surpasses all three tribes because of their egregious transgressions.

1 Chronicles 5:1-2 KJV
1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, ( for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's: )

And what was the egregious transgression of Shimeon and Levi once again? They used the false interpretation of circumcision, as being outward and physical, so as to wound a whole city of men so that they could kill them while they were weak and recovering from the circumcision they agreed to undergo. This is a teaching, an instruction, and one has the need to actually understand what is being taught: simply being able to read the letter of the text is not enough.

 

[Clare73]

I actually used specific meanings of the word in my comments: to curtail, to cut short, to cut down, and sometimes even to destroy, (figuratively implied). All the words discussed herein concerning circumcision apply in all the passages you have referenced, except that in Gen 34:15-24 Shimeon and Levi used what they knew to be the wrong, outward, physical interpretation to do evil and commit murder after having deceived the men of Shechem concerning a physical interpretation of outward physical circumcision, which they then used to slay the whole town. This in itself serves to prove the point if one is reading this passage as instruction: for what does Yakob say to them afterwards?

Genesis 34:30 KJV
30 And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.

And what is the penalty for this egregious misinterpretation of circumcision in order to wipe out a whole city?

Genesis 49:1-4 KJV
1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Reuben loses the birthright for his transgression, (and it passes to the sons of Yoseph).

Genesis 49:5-7 KJV
5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

And the highlighted portion in the above is exactly what happens to them in the Torah. Levi gets taken for the priesthood and scattered throughout the tribes. Shimeon's tribal allotment gets landlocked within the tribe of Yhudah and eventually assimilates into Yhudah. Moreover Yhudah prevails in the genealogy because of these egregious transgressions of Reuben, Shimeon, and Levi.

Reuben was the firstborn, (Gen 29:32), Shimeon was the second, (Gen 29:33), Levi was the third, (Gen 29:34), and Yhudah was the fourth, (Gen 29:34). But what happens? Yhudah surpasses all three tribes because of their egregious transgressions.

1 Chronicles 5:1-2 KJV
1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, ( for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's: )

And what was the egregious transgression of Shimeon and Levi once again? They used the false interpretation of circumcision, as being outward and physical, so as to wound a whole city of men so that they could kill them while they were weak and recovering from the circumcision they agreed to undergo. This is a teaching, an instruction, and one has the need to actually understand what is being taught: simply being able to read the letter of the text is not enough.

Those verses are not the subject of my post.

 

[daq]

Those verses are not the subject of my post.

You did indeed reference Genesis 34:15-24 and I also quoted you doing so.

 

[Clare73]

You did indeed reference Genesis 34:15-24 and I also quoted you doing so.

Which leaves:
"Not regarding the meaning of the specific word "circumcised" in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ex 12:48,"
the verses in your response are not the subject of my post,
and, therefore, have no relevance to your assertion of my "not rightly dividing the word of truth."

 

[daq]

Which leaves "Not regarding the meaning of the specific word "circumcised" in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ex 12:48," the primary one being Lev 12:3.

Those verses are not the subject of my post.

Essentially what you are telling me is that it is okay for you to go quote mining, ramble off some scripture references without any explanation of the passages, and I am supposed to accept that as proof of your arguments. No thanks.

 

[Clare73]

Essentially what you are telling me is that it is okay for you to go quote mining, ramble off some scripture references without any explanation of the passages, and I am supposed to accept that as proof of your arguments. No thanks.

Or. . .what you are telling me is a mischaracterization of my argument,
while the verses I present (Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ex 12:48) do not refer to spiritual circumcision, and
you have no response to my point: not all circumcision in the OT is spiritual.

You'll have to do better than that.

 

[daq]

Or. . .what you are telling me is a mischaracterization of my argument,
the verses I present (Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ex 12:48) do not refer to spiritual circumcision, and
you have no response to my point: not all circumcision in the OT is spiritual.

I answered that in the post to which you objected: the place you referenced and I responded to is the place where it is clearly meant in the incorrect physical way and was used to kill an entire town or city. This apparently speaks nothing to you but to me it speaks volumes. Moreover your view of circumcision has already been refuted by both the Torah and Paul, and especially Paul, not by me, and those statements are already posted in this thread: just because you decided to ignore them or not believe them doesn't make them go away.

The statement already quoted from Romans 2:28-29 is emphatic: there is no second choice or optional understanding in the matter, you either believe what Paul says or you do not. The statement in Philippians 3:3, also already quoted, is also emphatic: you either believe what Paul says or you do not. Everything after these things is merely your fluff which I have entertained-accommodated for purposes of the flow of discussion. Don't lose sight of the fact that your doctrine is already buried under a growing mountain of evidence to the contrary from the scripture, (not from me).

 

[HIM]

Context.
The "works of the law" refer to the Levitical (ceremonial) laws (sacrifices, food laws, defilements, cleansings, etc.) which were abolished on the cross (Eph 3:15).

No it is any all things which the law tell us to do. None of these things justify. All we do must come from the heart, from the inside not the letter.
In other words We do because we want to not because we have to.

 

[Leaf473]

Have you indeed rightly divided the word of truth as it is meant in 2 Tim 2:15?

Those who view the Torah as teaching outward physical circumcision of the male private part are no different than the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Jews, Ishmaelites, Egyptians, Arabs, and Muslims in this regard, who all believe the same thing.

Please excuse my jumping in here.

Are you saying that physical circumcision was never supposed to be done by Abraham or the Israelites? Like, the passage below isn't a physical circumcision? Or wasn't supposed to be?

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 21:4 - New American Standard Bible

Then Abraham circumcised his son Isaac when he was eight days old, as God had commanded him.

www.biblegateway.com

We who worship by the Spirit of Elohim, magnifying the Meshiah because of his Testimony, which is Spirit, and put no trust or faith or confidence in the flesh: we are the circumcision.

Philippians 3:1-5 KJV
1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Because you have failed to rightly divide the word of truth, particularly in this regard, you do not fully understand the message of Paul or the Apostolic writings.

 

[Clare73]

Please excuse my jumping in here.

Are you saying that physical circumcision was never supposed to be done by Abraham or the Israelites? Like, the passage below isn't a physical circumcision? Or wasn't supposed to be?

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 21:4 - New American Standard Bible

Then Abraham circumcised his son Isaac when he was eight days old, as God had commanded him.

www.biblegateway.com

Yep, that is what he is saying?

 

[Leaf473]

Yep, that is what he is saying?

Well, it looks like it, but I wanted to ask to be sure.

 

[Clare73]

The meaning of this phrase, "the works of the Law", is manifestly evident in Galatians 3:1-3.
Galatians 3:1-3 ASV
1 O foolish Galatians, who did bewitch you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth crucified?
2 This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?

The "works of the Law" are therefore based entirely on an incorrect physical and outward understanding of the Torah according to the flesh. The Torah is spiritual, as Paul also states in Romans 7:14a, and therefore the "works of the Law" are not the Torah itself, but rather, an incorrect outward and physical minded reading, understanding, and interpretation of the Torah.

The Torah prescribes circumcision, which meaning in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48 is outward, not spiritual.

In Gal 3:1-3 above, Paul is contrasting "works of the law" with "hearing of faith."
Faith being internal, his meaning of "works of the law" is, therefore, external in contrast
They did not receive the Spirit by external "works of the law" (e.g., circumcision), but by the "hearing of faith" within.

I answered that in the post to which you objected: the place you referenced and I responded to is the place where it is clearly meant in the incorrect physical way and was used to kill an entire town or city. This apparently speaks nothing to you but to me it speaks volumes. Moreover your view of circumcision has already been refuted by both the Torah and Paul, and especially Paul, not by me, and those statements are already posted in this thread: just because you decided to ignore them or not believe them doesn't make them go away.

The statement already quoted from Romans 2:28-29 is emphatic: there is no second choice or optional understanding in the matter, you either believe what Paul says or you do not. The statement in Philippians 3:3, also already quoted, is also emphatic: you either believe what Paul says or you do not. Everything after these things is merely your fluff which I have entertained-accommodated for purposes of the flow of discussion. Don't lose sight of the fact that your doctrine is already buried under a growing mountain of evidence to the contrary from the scripture, (not from me).

Are you saying that Hamor misunderstood what Jacob's sons meant by "circumcise all the males" (Ge 34:15-17), understanding it physically instead of spiritually?
Are you saying that the sons of Jacob did not intend physical circumcision in their deceptive plan (Ge 34:13) to disable all the males in the city that they might kill them in revenge for Shechem's defilement of Jacob's daughter, their sister (Ge 34:2)?

The Torah is not always spiritual, as in the Torah's meaning of circumcision in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48.

'Tis not me who is not "rightly dividing the word of truth."

'Tis not me who needs to hear "the admonishment of Paul:
1 Corinthians 5:6-8 ASV
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ:
8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[daq]

Please excuse my jumping in here.

Are you saying that physical circumcision was never supposed to be done by Abraham or the Israelites? Like, the passage below isn't a physical circumcision? Or wasn't supposed to be?

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 21:4 - New American Standard Bible

Then Abraham circumcised his son Isaac when he was eight days old, as God had commanded him.

www.biblegateway.com

Yep, that is what he is saying?

Well, it looks like it, but I wanted to ask to be sure.

What I am saying is that I believe Mosheh, the Prophets, the Meshiah, and Paul, and that is what they are all saying.

 

[Clare73]

The Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a), while "the works of the Law" are deeds of the body and works of the flesh based on faulty interpretations and an erroneous understanding of the Torah.

What I am saying is that I believe Mosheh, the Prophets, the Meshiah, and Paul, and that is what they are all saying.

We don't think so.

 

[daq]

The Torah prescribes circumcision, which meaning in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48 is outward, not spiritual.

In this you reveal again that you do not agree with Paul.
As already referenced multiple times:

Romans 7:14a
14a For we know that the Torah is spiritual:

In Gal 3:1-3 above, Paul is contrasting "works of the law" with "hearing of faith."
Faith being internal, his meaning of "works of the law" is, therefore, external in contrast
They did not receive the Spirit by external "works of the law" (e.g., circumcision), but by the "hearing of faith" within.

Yes, "the works of the Law" are outward, physical, deeds of the body and works of the flesh, the wrong interpretations of the Torah based on the Pharisee way of understanding, as I also have said and keep saying from that same passage.

Are you saying that Hamor misunderstood what Jacob's sons meant by "circumcise all the males" (Ge 34:15-17), understanding it physically instead of spiritually?

No, Shimeon and Levi intentionally misrepresented true circumcision and interpreted it as outward and physical in order to wipe out a whole town, to do evil.

Are you saying that the sons of Jacob did not intend physical circumcision in their deceptive plan (Ge 34:13) to disable all the males in the city that they might kill them in revenge for Shechem's defilement of Jacob's daughter, their sister (Ge 34:2)?

That is what they did indeed do: they intentionally misinterpreted circumcision as outward and physical mutilation of the male private part so that they could wipe out a whole town. Moreover it was the sons of Levi, (and them alone), who learned the lesson from this and did what is right at the golden calf incident: for they learned it from their father Levi, who learned it from his father Yakob-Yisrael right there in the statement of Yakob from that passage which I quoted, ("You have troubled me to make me stink", etc., etc.).

The Torah is not always spiritual, as in the Torah's meaning of circumcision in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48.

'Tis not me who is not "rightly dividing the word of truth."

Paul: "For we know that the Torah is spiritual".
You: "The Torah is not always spiritual".

'Tis not me who needs to hear "the admonishment of Paul:
1 Corinthians 5:6-8 ASV
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ:
8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

I believe that passage too and have quoted it recently. Do you not see that Paul expounds the leaven as including malice and wickedness? and we know from the Testimony of the Meshiah that this leaven concerns doctrine. Do you not see that he also expounds the unleavened bread as containing sincerity and truth? This again is spiritual: it is not speaking of literal bread for your belly. Are you saying you have applied this new way of understanding to your understanding of all scripture including the Torah? Are you observing-keeping the feast in this manner as Paul admonishes you to do in this passage?

Physician, heal thyself.

Wow. Not only do you compare me with the Meshiah but in so doing you side with his killers.

Luke 4:23 KJV
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

Luke 4:28-31 KJV
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Matthew 27:40 KJV
39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Mark 15:29-30 KJV
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

 

[Clare73]

Romans 7:14a - "For we know that the Torah is spiritual:"

So that's where the problem is.

Paul's use of "spiritual" is not in contrast to physical, but in contrast to sinful (or "flesh").
He uses "spiritual" to mean "of the Holy Spirit."
He is not saying in Ro 7:14 that the law is "not physical," he is saying that he law is "of the Holy Spirit."
The law of Moses prescribing physical circumcision (Lev 12:3) is "of the Holy Spirit (spiritual)."

The meaning of "circumcision" in the spiritual (of the Holy Spirit) Torah, the word of God, in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48 is physical circumcision.

 

[daq]

So that's where the problem is.

Paul's use of "spiritual" is not in contrast to physical, but in contrast to sinful (or "flesh").
He uses "spiritual" to mean "of the Holy Spirit."
He is not saying in Ro 7:14 that the law is "not physical," he is saying that he law is "of the Holy Spirit."
The law of Moses prescribing physical circumcision (Lev 12:3) is "of the Holy Spirit (spiritual)."

The meaning of "circumcision" in the spiritual (of the Holy Spirit) Torah, the word of God, in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48 is physical circumcision.

I understand how it is nearly impossible for most people to face reality when their doctrine has collapsed, having been shown by the scripture to be nothing more than privately held dogmas, but the reality is that your statements here merely reveal once again that you do not believe what Paul says concerning circumcision.

The way of the Meshiah and the Torah and Paul:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Philippians 3:1-7 KJV
1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

You and the Pharisee way:

"The law of Moses prescribing physical circumcision (Lev 12:3) is "of the Holy Spirit (spiritual).""

Cut off, mortify, put to death your members concerning the earth, (of below), as Paul admonishes the reader to do and even explains what that means, and perhaps then you will see things the way Mosheh and Meshiah and Paul have expounded them in the scripture by the Holy Spirit.

 

[HIM]

The meaning of this phrase, "the works of the Law", is manifestly evident in Galatians 3:1-3.

Galatians 3:1-3 KJV
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:1-3 ASV
1 O foolish Galatians, who did bewitch you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth crucified?
2 This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?

The "works of the Law" are therefore based entirely on an incorrect physical and outward understanding of the Torah according to the flesh. The Torah is spiritual, as Paul also states in Romans 7:14a, and therefore the "works of the Law" are not the Torah itself, but rather, an incorrect outward and physical minded reading, understanding, and interpretation of the Torah.

N0 the works of the law is the doing of it for the just shall live by faith. No flesh is justified by the works of the law, because all have sinned and our found Quilty before God, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But The just live by faith, the faith in, of and through Christ. And this faith establishes the Law. So say not in your heart, bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But say the Word, Christ is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For we are dead, but live. Yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. And this faith establishes the law. For God has said He will put His Law into our hearts and in our minds write it. Amen

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

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So that's where the problem is.

Paul's use of "spiritual" is not in contrast to physical, but in contrast to sinful (or "flesh").
He uses "spiritual" to mean "of the Holy Spirit."
He is not saying in Ro 7:14 that the law is "not physical," he is saying that he law is "of the Holy Spirit."
The law of Moses prescribing physical circumcision (Lev 12:3) is "of the Holy Spirit (spiritual)."

The meaning of "circumcision" in the spiritual (of the Holy Spirit) Torah, the word of God, in Lev 12:3, Ge 17:10-27, Ge 34:15-17, Ex 12:48 is physical circumcision.

Physical and spiritual.