Anyone else have a unique eschatology?

[Mr E]

Gen 8 says "all the days of the Earth".
But after all the days of the Earth all bets are off.
God doesn't break His promises... but man oft doesn't understand God's promises.

I agree with you with respect to God's promises and man's lack of understanding.

In Rev 21 we are introduced to 'a new heaven and a new earth, for the old had passed away' and again, it's made to be inhabited, with a river and a well-watered garden, a tree of life, bearing fruit and a city. A new beginning that sound very much like once upon a time-- in the beginning.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Nope.

Revelation is a very simple book of the Bible to understand. Why do so many have issues with reading it?

Well, brother, the reason a few of us have such difficulty understanding the book of Revelation is because we know that we don't know, especially after having read (and studied) a bunch of stuff pertaining to apocalyptic studies and biblical literature. See the following list in the OP of this thread I made here on CF over a year ago. This is why I'm hesitant to quash other Christian's interpretations of a heavily symbolic book:

Sorting Eschatological Literature

Obviously, Eschatological/End Times issues are a concern to many of us who are Christians. But which sources on these issues are most pertinent, I wonder? Out of the following list of books on these issues, which of these in your view do you think I should keep and which ones should I ignore...

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[dwb001]

I agree with you with respect to God's promises and man's lack of understanding.

In Rev 21 we are introduced to 'a new heaven and a new earth, for the old had passed away' and again, it's made to be inhabited, with a river and a well-watered garden, a tree of life, bearing fruit and a city. A new beginning that sound very much like once upon a time-- in the beginning.

On a New Earth... not a Refurbished Earth.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

From your post. It is what you said all be it in different words but that is the jist of your post.

Excuse me. Where is the idea of understanding in Revelation?
Maybe read Revelation 1:3 for clarity on how to approach Revelation.

I wish it was that simple.

 

[dwb001]

Well, brother, the reason a few of us have such difficulty understanding the book of Revelation is because we know that we don't know, especially after having read (and studied) a bunch of stuff pertaining to apocalyptic studies and biblical literature. See the following list in the OP of this thread I made here on CF over a year ago. This is why I'm hesitant to quash other Christian's interpretations of a heavily symbolic book:

Sorting Eschatological Literature

Obviously, Eschatological/End Times issues are a concern to many of us who are Christians. But which sources on these issues are most pertinent, I wonder? Out of the following list of books on these issues, which of these in your view do you think I should keep and which ones should I ignore...

www.christianforums.com

Revelation is not a symbolic book.
It is a book filled with symbolism.

And interpretation is not required nor advised for Revelation. As per 1:3

 

[atpollard]

• Jesus returned in the year 1033 and took away His Church.
• We are living in the 1000 year reign of the Antichrist (starting with the great schism and extending to every form of modern apostasy).
• In the year 2033, Jesus will return to destroy everything with FIRE as in the days of Noah.

[As long as we are going to make WILD speculations, come on ... let's really speculate wildly!]

 

[dwb001]

I wish it was that simple.

It is.

 

[dwb001]

Jesus returned in the year 1033 and took away His Church.
We are living in the 1000 year reign of the Antichrist (starting with the great schism and extending to every form of modern apostasy).
In the year 2033, Jesus will return to destroy everything with FIRE as in the days of Noah.

[As long as we are going to make WILD speculations, come on ... let's really speculate wildly!]

Do you have any proof to back your claims?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Revelation is not a symbolic book.
It is a book filled with symbolism.

And interpretation is not required nor advised for Revelation. As per 1:3

Yes, interpretation is ALWAYS required, especially where prophecy and apocalyptic is concerned in the Bible. And this is why there are so many different views about the meaning of the End Times, and also why there are so many diverse viewpoins presented in the list of books I have from all sorts of Christian scholars.

Because of the complication involved in interpetation, some of us study Hermeneutics and Biblical Exegesis. Unfortunately, the claim that some Christians make about the Bible having plenary perspicuity is-------shall I say--------highly exaggerated and results in a lot of emotional and dogmatic coddling of inconclusive assumptions.

And if some people don't like the fact that it's difficult to read and understand without some measure of education, well....that's just too bad!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It is.

Definitely not. But if you want to think so, be my guest. I won't hold a grudge, brother.

 

[Mr E]

On a New Earth... not a Refurbished Earth.

As in the days of Noah, when God destroyed the earth, the earth remained. All that had been before passed away. But the earth remained and it was right then that He promised to never, ever.... destroy the earth again. You've agreed that God doesn't break His promises. Now believe it.

 

[dwb001]

Yes, interpretation is ALWAYS required, especially where prophecy and apocalyptic is concerned in the Bible. And this is why there are so many different views about the meaning of the End Times, and also why there are so many diverse viewpoins presented in the list of books I have from all sorts of Christian scholars.

See there is your error. Why so many different ideas of what Revelation is saying is due to the interpretation differences. Remove the interpretation and voila.

Because of the complication involved in interpetation, some of us study Hermeneutics and Biblical Exegesis. Unfortunately, the claim that some Christians make about the Bible having plenary perspicuity is-------shall I say--------highly exaggerated and results in a lot of emotional and dogmatic coddling of inconclusive assumptions.

Sounds like someone has a big vocabulary.

And if some people don't like the fact that it's difficult to read and understand without some measure of education, well....that's just too bad!

Don't need a particular level of education and it is not difficult to read nor understand.

All you learned individuals keep confusing the book instead of letting the book talk.

 

[dwb001]

Definitely not. But if you want to think so, be my guest. I won't hold a grudge, brother.

Why is the book of Revelation not easy to understand? What is so mysterious that it takes some fancy learning to figure out? Do you not belive what the Bible says?

 

[dwb001]

As in the days of Noah, when God destroyed the earth,

Didn’t happen.

the earth remained. All that had been before passed away.

Better.

But the earth remained and it was right then that He promised to never, ever.... destroy the earth again.

whoops... off track again.

You've agreed that God doesn't break His promises. Now believe it.

You got the promise wrong. God can break any promise He didn't make.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

See there is your error. Why so many different ideas of what Revelation is saying is due to the interpretation differences. Remove the interpretation and voila.

Surely you jest.

Sounds like someone has a big vocabulary.

Possibly. It's one of the benefits of knowing how to pop open a thesaurus. I learned how to do that at the university ...

Don't need a particular level of education and it is not difficult to read nor understand.

You can just keep thinking that and be the one who's gonna "pontificate" it all to the rest of us. I'll just add you to my list of scholars listed on my book list.

All you learned individuals keep confusing the book instead of letting the book talk.

Do you read anything other than the Bible, by chance?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Why is the book of Revelation not easy to understand? What is so mysterious that it takes some fancy learning to figure out? Do you not belive what the Bible says?

It's obvious the Bible isn't super clear on everything. If the biblical writers had been super clear, we probably wouldn't have all of the diverse denominations or different End Times guesses that.......................we all too plentifully find in our larger world.

 

[dwb001]

Surely you jest.

Nope.

Possibly. It's one of the benefits of knowing how to pop open a thesaurus. I learned how to do that at the university ...

Sorry... I left my other word booky at the barn.

You can just keep thinking that and be the one who's gonna "pontificate" it all to the rest of us. I'll just add you to my list of scholars listed on my book list.

Thanks... but when have I done that?

Do you read anything other than the Bible, by chance?

Lots... have you read the Bible?

Who do you believe... other sources or the Bible?

 

[dwb001]

It's obvious the Bible isn't super clear on everything. If the biblical writers had been super clear, we probably wouldn't have all of the diverse denominations or different End Times guesses that.......................we all too plentifully find in our larger world.

Good thing I am not taking about the entire Bible... only Revelation(a unique book).

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Nope.

That's what I was afraid you'd say.

Sorry... I left my other word booky at the barn.

Fortunately, a thesaurus is free now days and easily accesible online. You should try it sometime.

Thanks... but when have I done that?

You're doing it now by your bold, dogmatic assertions. I mean, it is what it is. But how about this: instead of bonking most other Christians over the head with your aplomb and certainty, just extend a charitable olive branch and invite discussion without the pretense of getting us to eat the cheese in the mousetrap.

Lots... have you read the Bible?

Many times, over many years.

Who do you believe... other sources or the Bible?

Both.

 

[Mr E]

Didn’t happen.

Better.

whoops... off track again.

You got the promise wrong. God can break any promise He didn't make.

Stay on track.

The promise was-- "I will never AGAIN destroy everything that lives as I have just done."

Didn't happen?

Have a good day dwb. Be honest.