Federal judge temporarily halts Tennessee's 'drag ban' law on free speech grounds

[Bradskii]

It's about minors. People wanted to protect children and they found a way to circumvent that.

Ain't it funny that some people support parent's right to make choices as to what their children see when they agree with them. But deny the same rights when they disagree. It sounds like they're saying:

'I want this law to apply only when I say so.'

That's normally viewed as being hypocritical. Would you agree with that?

 

[Servus]

Ain't it funny that some people support parent's right to make choices as to what their children see when they agree with them. But deny the same rights when they disagree. It sounds like they're saying:

'I want this law to apply only when I say so.'

That's normally viewed as being hypocritical. Would you agree with that?

I have to understand what you're talking about to agree or disagree with it. It sounds like you're saying those who don't want minors attending drag queen shows, do want them to view other forms of adult entertainment?

 

[Bradskii]

I have to understand what you're talking about to agree or disagree with it.

I'm not asking you to agree with what the parent might want or not want to do. I want to know if you think it should be the parent or you who decides.

So which is it?

 

[SimplyMe]

"Two-Spirit". That's one I haven't heard before. Yeah kids need to get as much trans, Two-Spirit, and gender nonconforming people as possible. Obviously society wants this in great excess for some reason.

Just to help you out, "Two-Spirit" is a term coined by Native Americans, in an attempt to translate the "third gender" (or gender variant) individual that participate in various Native American Tribes ceremonies, since their is no equivalent English word they can use that matches the meaning of the word in their native languages. The word "berdache" has previously been used but, given it is a French word that refers to a young homosexual male partner, the idea is that that term doesn't actually work since the meaning of the tribal word has nothing to do with homosexuality. If you are interested, you can read more about it here.

 

[Pommer]

It's about minors. People wanted to protect children and they found a way to circumvent that.

Who “protected“ previous generations’ children who had to suffer though drag since [checks notes] time immemorial?

Why the sudden “danger”?

 

[Servus]

Who “protected“ previous generations’ children who had to suffer though drag since [checks notes] time immemorial?

Why the sudden “danger”?

The kids + trans + drag queens fad/craze is fairly sudden. It's become in vogue with woke progressives to get their kids heavily involved in it. We can go with the they're their kids and they have autonomy in what they do with their kids, but of course, or at least I would hope, there are certain things people don't want parents doing to or with their children.

 

[Servus]

I'm not asking you to agree with what the parent might want or not want to do. I want to know if you think it should be the parent or you who decides.

So which is it?

It depends on the decision. If it's a decision that's inappropriate, uhealthy, harmful et al then of course it should be prohibited. That's why child protective services exists.

 

[Bradskii]

It depends on the decision. If it's a decision that's inappropriate, uhealthy, harmful et al then of course it should be prohibited. That's why child protective services exists.

I'm not asking if something should or should not be prohibited. I'm asking you if you think it should be the parent or you who decides what their children can see.

The parent may actually ask you. 'Can I decide what's best for my child or is it your decision?'

What's the answer?

 

[Servus]

I'm not asking if something should or should not be prohibited. I'm asking you if you think it should be the parent or you who decides what their children can see.

This is where you keep asking me the same question over and over even though you got an answer that should have sufficed. I suppose you have a particular answer in your head and I'm supposed to keep trying to figure out what it is.

The parent may actually ask you. 'Can I decide what's best for my child or is it your decision?'

Well it's not my decision of course so that would be a moot question. Because it's actually authorities in charge of protecting children who make that decision.

What's the answer?

See above.

 

[Bradskii]

Well it's not my decision of course so that would be a moot question. Because it's actually authorities in charge of protecting children who make that decision.

Nice to see that you answered eventually. I didn't have a particular answer that I wanted you to give. I just wanted to know what it was. And 'Well it's not my decision of course...' will do nicely.

Oh, and you mentioned it would in any case be left to whatever authority might be responsible should it be decided that the child might be at risk. So if they say it's OK...and the parents says it's OK...and you say it's not your decision of course...then we seem to have reached a conclusion.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Servus]

Nice to see that you answered eventually. I didn't have a particular answer that I wanted you to give. I just wanted to know what it was. And 'Well it's not my decision of course...' will do nicely.

Oh, and you mentioned it would in any case be left to whatever authority might be responsible should it be decided that the child might be at risk. So if they say it's OK...and the parents says it's OK...and you say it's not your decision of course...then we seem to have reached a conclusion.

Thanks for your input.

People still have the right to object and to push for changes or fight against them. Just as woke progressives push for changes so kids can be involved in weird stuff.

 

[Bradskii]

People still have the right to object and to push for changes or fight against them. Just as woke progressives push for changes so kids can be involved in weird stuff.

You can complain all you want. It's one of the freedoms you enjoy. Freedom of speech. A cherished freedom. One we should all stand up for and do our best to protect. You know the old sayin: 'I object to what you say but I will fight to protect your right to say it'.

And you're right. There are authorities who are concerned what happens to our children. I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad that, as well as admitting that you have no personal right to decide what a parent can and cannot do as regards her children it's up to said authorities to ensure it is indeed not harmful.

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm from drag-related events or other speech and expression critical of gender norms,” Morris said. “H.B. 359’s terms prove vague and overbroad, chilling protected speech and creating a risk of disproportionate enforcement against trans, Two-Spirit, and gender nonconforming people.”

Good to see that they're doing what you expect from them.

 

[Servus]

You can complain all you want. It's one of the freedoms you enjoy. Freedom of speech. A cherished freedom. One we should all stand up for and do our best to protect. You know the old sayin: 'I object to what you say but I will fight to protect your right to say it'.

And you're right. There are authorities who are concerned what happens to our children. I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad that, as well as admitting that you have no personal right to decide what a parent can and cannot do as regards her children it's up to said authorities to ensure it is indeed not harmful.

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm from drag-related events or other speech and expression critical of gender norms,” Morris said. “H.B. 359’s terms prove vague and overbroad, chilling protected speech and creating a risk of disproportionate enforcement against trans, Two-Spirit, and gender nonconforming people.”

Good to see that they're doing what you expect from them.

I think in this instance they made a mistake. And my guess is eventually that mistake will be rectified. Or not. As a Christian I expect this world to get worse, not better. We always hope for revivals. But we know eventually there will be a point of no return.

 

[Bradskii]

I think in this instance they made a mistake.

But we have agreed that it's down to the parents in the first instance and the authorities to make sure there is no harm in the second. You have no grounds for complaint as to the process.

Your personal opinion is just that.

 

[Servus]

But we have agreed that it's down to the parents in the first instance and the authorities to make sure there is no harm in the second. You have no grounds for complaint as to the process.

There were lots of complaints against kids being banned from drag shows because it was decided that it was harmful. I've seen you complain over decisions made by authority. Go on about what a stupid decision it was and coming up negative consequences that were bound to result etc. So seeing as how you brought up hypocrisy earlier, I'm seeing it exhibited here.

 

[Bradskii]

There were lots of complaints against kids being banned from drag shows because it was decided that it was harmful. I've seen you complain over decisions made by authority. Go on about what a stupid decision it was and coming up negative consequences that were bound to result etc. So seeing as how you brought up hypocrisy earlier, I'm seeing it exhibited here.

If the authority actually is an authority, and not a proxy for religious sensibilities, then the call has been made. I have the same rights as you. So I am free to make my personal opinion known. Which is, if parents, who are the best people to know what is best for their children, make a decision, then unless there is evidence that it is harmful (“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm...") then that decision stands.

We agree on this. You said that it wasn't your decision but the parents. And authorities decide if harm is a consideration. I think it's a given that evidence would decide that.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Bradskii]

Unless you disagree with it like you did the original decision to ban kids from drag shows. But you give yourself a free pass by claiming "a proxy for religious sensibilities"...

It's not a free pass. It's a requirement for any authority in a secular society (that's your society). Unless you want to claim that religious beliefs are sufficient for any given authority to make their decisions. In which case we aren't in a secular society any longer.

You haven't got that. But I think that's what you'd prefer. But I know that you won't get it. So we're left with your agreement that it's down to the parents and overseen by recognised secular authorities.

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm..."

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's about minors. People wanted to protect children

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm from drag-related events or other speech and expression critical of gender norms,”

 

[Servus]

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm from drag-related events or other speech and expression critical of gender norms,”

With all the weird things they want kids involved in lately, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time until there are regrets.

 

[KCfromNC]

“No evidence before the court indicates that minors face any harm from drag-related events or other speech and expression critical of gender norms,”

This feels a lot like previous GOP legal battles, where there are lots of extravagant claims followed by silence once the claims have to be made in places where there are legal penalties for failing to tell the truth.