The Kingdom Age

[Diamond72]

I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your child. This was very sad.

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55. I prayed and asked my son if he remembered Tony Hawk. The answer I got back was: Tony Hawk, lots of his fans are in Heaven and the biggest skate park in Heaven is named after him. Because my son was homeless I asked once about his mansion in Heaven, but they would not tell me anything. Even though I persisted. Then finally they said he has a skate park in his back yard the size of the skate parks that the cities here have. So I thought that was pretty neat. I have a lot of stories like that and sometimes I have vivid dreams where I see a lot more. Because communication with lost loved ones is a lot like texting. I think the messenger angels carry the messages back and forth.

 

[oikonomia]

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55. I prayed and asked my son if he remembered Tony Hawk. The answer I got back was: Tony Hawk, lots of his fans are in Heaven and the biggest skate park in Heaven is named after him. Because my son was homeless I asked once about his mansion in Heaven, but they would not tell me anything. Even though I persisted. Then finally they said he has a skate park in his back yard the size of the skate parks that the cities here have. So I thought that was pretty neat. I have a lot of stories like that and sometimes I have vivid dreams where I see a lot more. Because communication with lost loved ones is a lot like texting. I think the messenger angels carry the messages back and forth.

Could we have private fellowship ?
You could write me at jjwilmore@netscape.net to arrange this.

 

[oikonomia]

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55. I prayed and asked my son if he remembered Tony Hawk. The answer I got back was: Tony Hawk, lots of his fans are in Heaven and the biggest skate park in Heaven is named after him. Because my son was homeless I asked once about his mansion in Heaven, but they would not tell me anything. Even though I persisted. Then finally they said he has a skate park in his back yard the size of the skate parks that the cities here have. So I thought that was pretty neat. I have a lot of stories like that and sometimes I have vivid dreams where I see a lot more. Because communication with lost loved ones is a lot like texting. I think the messenger angels carry the messages back and forth.

You may be deceived by evil spirits taking advantage of your grief.

When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? (Isaiah 8:19)

Take your feelings to the Lord Jesus. Pour out your heart to Him for timely help, support, and strengthening.
Consult your God.

‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God. (Lev. 19:31)

If you imagine you can communicate with a passed away loved one you are sure to be deceived by demons.
It is better to confess and repent of this. And take ALL your sorry to the ears of the holy God.

This attempt to communicate with deceased loved ones whether through professional mediums or privately flirts with
witchcraft. It can only lead to deception and more misery.

There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. (Deut. 18:10-12)

Christians are under grace. But the attitude of God is not changed about these abominations which can lead to deception.
So we have to run to Jesus for empowering grace to stand against the age old temptation towards witchcraft.

You do not know all the reasons why things so happened. Cast all your anxiety on the Lord Jesus.
Take Him as your attitude, thought, rememberance, hope and all.
You cannot eat at the table of the Lord and also at the table of deceiving demonic spirits.

No, but that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become those who have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the Lord’s cup and the demons’ cup; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the demons’ table. (1 Cor. 10:20,21)

 

[Diamond72]

You may be deceived by evil spirits taking advantage of your grief.

You maybe talking nonsense.

 

[Diamond72]

Could we have private fellowship ?

Not now, if your going to attack me the way you are. Demons attack people, they do not comfort them in their time of loss.

 

[oikonomia]

You may be deceived by evil spirits taking advantage of your grief.

This was not an attack. It was a loving word of warning.

Take your feelings to the Lord Jesus. Pour out your heart to Him for timely help, support, and strengthening.
Consult your God.

This was not an attack. It was a loving encouraging word.

If you imagine you can communicate with a passed away loved one you are sure to be deceived by demons.
It is better to confess and repent of this. And take ALL your sorry to the ears of the holy God.

This was neither an attack. It was an encouragement to seek only God for comfort in the darkest moments of life.

This attempt to communicate with deceased loved ones whether through professional mediums or privately flirts with
witchcraft. It can only lead to deception and more misery.

This was not an attack. It was a realistic word of warning. And it is not without merit or experience.

Christians are under grace. But the attitude of God is not changed about these abominations which can lead to deception.
So we have to run to Jesus for empowering grace to stand against the age old temptation towards witchcraft.

This was not an attack. It continued the tone of warning.

You do not know all the reasons why things so happened. Cast all your anxiety on the Lord Jesus.
Take Him as your attitude, thought, rememberance, hope and all.
You cannot eat at the table of the Lord and also at the table of deceiving demonic spirits.

This was not an attack. At worst it may have been an exhortation without adaquate knowledge of some things a poster said.
But on face value of what was posted, it was a faithful response. At worst I may have lacked tact in the supporting passages I selected
to help.

The accompanying verses may have been strong. But the overall purpose was not to attack anyone except
the subtle enemy of God who seeks to deceive us.

My final verse to close this exchange with Diamond7 peacefully from my side at least, is a reminder that anyone of us Christians
can say we are above being deceived.

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. (Gal. 6:1)

 

[Diamond72]

This was not an attack. It was a loving word of warning.

What grief? The Bible says to be Heavenly minded. Perhaps you would like to share with us what that means to you? We are also to have the mind of Christ. The pastor at a church I was attending preached over 300 sermons on what it means to have the mind of Christ. Each sermon was based on a scripture. For example Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus". I have a Rubbermaid container filled with notes from the sermons. I use to take notes and they were a bit sloppy so I would copy them neater when I got home. It was a wonderful time of prayer when I could think on the teaching and allow God to do a work in my life. Also I have read the Bible 7 times. Back when we used bibles that wear out and the binding falls apart if your try to read it twice. I still have those wore out Bibles.

It is interesting though because like you he felt he was a true Christian but other churches were dead and other Christians were dead. So I really wonder when Christians judge others when the Bible says we are to judge ourselves. Matthew 7:3-5 NIV "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

My final verse to close this exchange with Diamond7 peacefully from my side at least, is a reminder that anyone of us Christians
can say we are above being deceived.

Ok, so you admit you are deceived because I can not judge you, you can only judge yourself and your own heart. Actually only God can judge us. Matthew 7:1-2 (NIV): "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Perhaps you do not realize we are to become as the people who gave us our Bible. But when we have dreams and visions our fellow Christians accuse us of having a demon.

Philippians 3:17 (NIV): "Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do."

2 Corinthians 12:3 "2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man— whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to Paradise. The things he heard were too sacred for words, things that man is not permitted to tell."

Do you accuse Paul of having "demons" because he claimed he was caught up to heaven?

harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away

I just am amazed when we follow our Bible and have Bible experiences people accuse us. I have MUCH more vivid dreams of Heaven. I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven. I learned a lot from that dream. I also had a dream about my pastors mansion in Heaven. It is ok to talk about dreams because everyone has crazy dreams. But it we have a vision that takes up 12 seconds of our time, then people accuse us and attack us to the point were we can not share these experiences with others.

Acts 2:17 "‘In the last days,’ God says, ‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy. Your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams."

If people have visions as the Bible says, they better not share that with you because you will accuse them of having a demon. Maybe your the one and you are just projecting that out on others.

 

[oikonomia]

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55.

My responses to you were focused on this matter. You yourself said "Maybe it is my imagination."
I agree. And I cautioned you about demonic activity. They have thousands of years of experience deceiving people.

I prayed and asked my son if he remembered Tony Hawk.

If you prayed TO your son who unfortunately has departed, what biblical ground do you have to pray TO deceased people.
Since I felt this was a tragic situation skating close to unbilbical deception, I responded in love to that with warning.

I don't grovel. Once I say I am sorry you were offended I do not beg for anything from you.
I expressed once clearly that I am sorry you felt attacked and offended.
The rest is between you and the Lord. My conscience is at peace.

Where do you get support from the Bible to PRAY to those who have departed?

The answer I got back was: Tony Hawk, lots of his fans are in Heaven and the biggest skate park in Heaven is named after him. Because my son was homeless I asked once about his mansion in Heaven, but they would not tell me anything.

You said yourself - "Maybe it is my imagination, . . . "

I agree because your whole concept of Heaven being filled with mansions is erroneous to begin with.
John 14:2,3 is not about the superstitious belief that Jesus went to Heaven to prepare luxurious mansions.

In My Father’s house are many abodes; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am you also may be.

It is the natural superstitious mind which has perpetuated the belief that for two thousand years Jesus has been
preparing mansions - hanging curtains, hanging chandeliers, laying beatiful rugs, setting up other furniture for MANSIONS
for each saved person.

The words more accurately translated- "for I go to prepare a place for you" mean He is going to the CROSS to die
a redemptive death. Because He goes to die and rise for sinners He prepares a place for them in God.

The word "abodes" as in In My Father’s house are many abodes refers to sinners redeemed within He will come and
make an "abode" in them. The same word which is pluralizedin verse 2 is found in the singular in verse 23.

Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (John 14:23)

Jesus was a man in God the Father and the Father in Him. He goes away to accomplish a redemptive death on the cross and a glorious
resurrection to " to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am you also may be."

As He is the dwelling place of God He assures us that this dwelling place of God has many abodes. All the redeemed and indwelt
human beings are the many abodes. He went to the cross that where He is we may be also - in the Father and the Father in us.

So your imagination about mansions in Heaven that you prayed to your son about is based on superstitious natural minded religious
concepts. I urge you to drop that thought for good - Jesus in Heaven preparing luxury mansions for each saved person.

Instead realize Lord Jesus who was the house of God went to EXPAND the capacity of that living house by His redeeming death.
If it were not possible for others to enjoy this mutual dwelling of the Father in man, He would have TOLD us so.

In My Father’s house are many abodes; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am you also may be.

Before He died and rose He alone was this living house or temple of God.

Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then the Jews said, This temple was built in forty-six years, and You will raise it up in three days?

But He spoke of the temple of His body. (John 2:19-21)

Before His crucifixion He encouraged His dispondent disciples that this death was Him going away to prepare
a way that they TOO could enter into His mystical Body to be abodes in the Father's house.

Even though I persisted. Then finally they said he has a skate park in his back yard the size of the skate parks that the cities here have. So I thought that was pretty neat. I have a lot of stories like that and sometimes I have vivid dreams where I see a lot more. Because communication with lost loved ones is a lot like texting. I think the messenger angels carry the messages back and forth.

Remember, you yourself admitted - "Maybe it is my imagination."

Yes, I agree that it is your imagination that you are having conversations with a departed loved one.
In your next post to me tell me where you have a Bible teaching that any one of us can pray to a departed human being.

 

[Diamond72]

You yourself said "Maybe it is my imagination."

Could be, that even though I have been to "Heaven" and talked to people there, I do not know for sure that Heaven exists. The issue is you are trying to worm your way out of calling me demon-possessed along with a lot of other insults. The fact remains we should never accuse anyone of anything because we may be pointing a finger at ourselves. People are usually guilty of what they accuse others of. This is true in Science and this is true in the Bible. It is just not right to attack people the way you attacked me. Esp your brothers and sisters in Crist who we are to love.

My main concern when I talk about the dream of my daughter is that IF there is a Heaven then we are going to have to be reconciled with each and every person there. At the time my wife was on a IUD and my daughter never even made it to the womb. This may be why Catholics continue to be opposed to birth control. I used to be opposed to abortion and the killing of babies. Now I am more concerned with the people who have had abortions and they need to be reconciled with that Child if they want to go to Heaven.

There are lots of children in Heaven who will never know their parents, but they hope their parents will make it there so they can be reconciled and get to know them. Like I told you before I have a son in Heaven whom I raised as a single parent and I am sure that he takes good care of his sister now that he is there. So I am sure that he has told her a lot about me and she looks forward to when I go there.

I will repeat myself that the Bible is CLEAR that we have an imagination and we need to use that imagination for good and not evil. For me life, health, and healing is good. To be reconciled with people is good. Even Corrie Tan Boon talks about how we need to be reconciled with our enemy if we plan to go to Heaven because of the relationship we will have with everyone in Heaven.

You have accused me your fellow Christian of being evil but you have failed to prove your claim in any way, shape, or form. I know you want to do a backstroke and try to claim that you did not do what you did when in fact you did do what you did. I try to reserve judgment of others but even my pastor would point fingers at people and say they were in a dead church. Although I never agreed with him that dead churches even exist. I do not know of any Christian that does not want to be a good person All Christians seem to want to live for God. So I would not want to accuse my brothers and sisters in the Lord of anything, esp you like to claim that Christians can have a demon, which is impossible for a Christian because they have the Holy Spirit of God and they belong to Jesus, not the devil.

 

[Diamond72]

In your next post to me tell me where you have a Bible teaching that any one of us can pray to a departed human being.

I never told you that I pray to anyone. We are told to go boldly before the throne of Grace. Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." As far as I know, the throne of Grace is in Heaven.

Revelation 5:8 describes the prayers of the saints as incense, and the church is called a garden of spices in Song of Songs 4:12, 14. Likewise, our spiritual sacrifices carry a sweet aroma to God (Genesis 8:21).

I never heard of praying to people or anyone other than God. We can ask others to go before God and intercede for us. I can think of three scriptures where a parent, boss and friends interceeded for people to help them receive what they needed from God. Jesus tells us to pray to God: "Our Father who art in Heaven". We are to pray for HIs Kingdom and HIs will to be done.

I never heard of praying to people, what can they do for us? It is only God who can rescue, save, heal and deliver us. We need to go beyond what people can do for us. Even we need to go beyond what the doctors can do for us. I believe in restoration miracles. The reason I am a Christian is because I need more than what people can do for us.

 

[oikonomia]

I never told you that I pray to anyone.

You wrote:

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55. I prayed and asked my son . . .

Revelation 5:8 describes the prayers of the saints as incense, and the church is called a garden of spices in Song of Songs 4:12, 14. Likewise, our spiritual sacrifices carry a sweet aroma to God (Genesis 8:21).

And when He took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each having a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which bowls are the prayers of the saints. (Rev. 5:8)

Where does it say those prayer went to ANYONE else beside God Himself?

I never heard of praying to people or anyone other than God. We can ask others to go before God and intercede for us. I can think of three scriptures where a parent, boss and friends interceeded for people to help them receive what they needed from God. Jesus tells us to pray to God: "Our Father who art in Heaven". We are to pray for HIs Kingdom and HIs will to be done.

What you wrote was that you prayed and ASKED YOUR SON.

I feel like I still communicate with him. Maybe it is my imagination, but I feel good about it. For example, I saw something in the news about how Tony Hawk was 55. I prayed and asked my son . . .

Unless it was a typo any reasonable reader would understand this to mean you were praying to your so and asking him.

You also wrote:

. . . even though I have been to "Heaven" and talked to people there,

I am not interested. I'd rather spend the time reading the Bible than hearing about your sensational trip to Heaven.

Your credibility with me has taken a big plunge.
Though I liked some of your references there is MIXTURE of truth with wild imaginative fancy.

Lastly this was a false accusation. You wrote:

You have accused me your fellow Christian of being evil

I count this as a paranoid thin skinned exaggeration. I warned you of the deception of witchcraft and mediumship and neocromancy.
And I said if you are practicing any of these you be cleansed.

Just like anybody else, if you or I sin we should confess our sins that the blood of Christ may cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Then you wrote:

esp you like to claim that Christians can have a demon,

Now I have to be frank to you and say this was a lie.

Being deceived by a demon is not necessarily being possessed by one or having one.
Just like any other Christians, you and I can on occasion be deceived a demon.

I don't want to talk to you anymore. Goodbye.

 

[Diamond72]

Where does it say those prayer went to ANYONE else beside God Himself?

I asked you that question. I do not know where you come up with these ideas. You have a very active imagination. You say some really bazaar off the wall stuff.

What you wrote was that you prayed and ASKED YOUR SON.

The messenger angels take messages back and forth. They take out prayers to God. I explained that to you already. It is very much like our modern communication with a cell phone. When my son was alive he was living in alaska. I remember one story he told me about not clesning up his food and a bear tore his tent apart. I did not believe his story, but a friend of his confirmed that it was true.

My point is that just because someone dies and goes to Heaven does not mean we no longer communicate with them. The angels will take messages back and forth for us. Paul seemed to be confused about this when he said: "Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows." 2 Corinthians 12:3 Our physical body does not even go to Heaven when we die. I would like to explain it through quantum entanglemeht, but science will not allow me to do that right now. Everything in the universe is connected in real time.

Quantum entanglement is a fundamental phenomenon in quantum physics where two or more particles become connected in such a way that their states are interdependent, regardless of the distance that separates them. In other words, the properties of entangled particles are linked, and measuring the state of one particle instantaneously determines the state of the other, no matter how far apart they are.

That explains it perfectly. I am here and they are there but we still communicate with each other. I got a message from my grandfather once. He wanted me to plant some plants here because somehow that would effect them there in Heaven. I started off with seeds and there were quite qa few sunflowers. They got to be 10 or 12 feet tall. The birds loved them. I have some photos somewhere.

 

[Diamond72]

any reasonable reader would understand this

I got news for you, you are anything but a reasonable reader. I remember a priest in the episcopal church. We went to him for help because I was trying to restore my marriage. He said it was a lost cause and that he advised my wife to divorce me. I told him that is not what the Bible says. He told me he was the priest and I should follow his understanding of the Bible. I asked him was he going to be there when I went before God for judgement. His answer was no. So I figured if I have to stand before God alone then it is up to me to figure it out now. There is more to that story because the associate priest at that church decided it was ok for him to date my wife. Which I thought was bizarre after I went to them for help to put my marriage back together again. Not that anything ever came out of him and her. But my sister in law said some stuff about him.

The day will come when you will have to give an account of your life. Within 6 months that priest got a divorce from his wife. Within a year he was dead from Aids. Here I am 40 years later telling people God hates divorce. The Priest died 40 years ago and he is not here to tell anyone anything.

There are many times I should have died. Once my chance was one in 12,000 when my heart had stopped for 10 minutes. Yet here I am still alive and God keeps reviving and restoring me. I figure it is because He likes what I tell people. Yet you are here telling us Paul in the Bible must have had a demon because he talked to people in Heaven so he must have been deceived. 2 Corinthians 12:2 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven"

Have you read the Bible and some of the crazy things they experienced? Makes my story look like romper room. Ezekiel, a major prophet in the Bible, experienced intense visions and encounters with divine phenomena as recorded in the Book of Ezekiel. I can imagine what you would have told him if you were to talk to him in person.

Daniel had visions of various beasts and other symbolic imagery, which were interpreted as prophecies about future events and kingdoms.

The apostle John had a series of visions on the island of Patmos, during which he received the Book of Revelation. These visions included images of Christ, heavenly beings, and future events.

1. Peter had a vision of a sheet containing various animals, which was a divine message that all people, regardless of their ethnicity, were to be included in the message of salvation.

These experiences were crucial in shaping the lives and missions of these individuals and played a significant role in the unfolding of God's plan in the biblical narrative. They are viewed as divine encounters and visions, each serving a specific purpose in the broader context of God's revelation and interaction with humanity.

The funny thing is people think I should have near death experiences but I don't. Because there are lots and lots of people on UTube that have had some pretty strange and unusual experiences.