Hamas-Israel News Thread

[essentialsaltes]

Let's try to keep this thread focused on the conflict, and within the rules. CNN Live Updates

What we're covering​

• Horrors of Hamas' attack on border communities are emerging, with children found "butchered" in a kibbutz, the Israeli military said, and at least 1,200 people killed in Israel.
• Israel is hammering Gaza with airstrikes, hitting hundreds of targets, reducing neighborhoods to rubble and killing at least 1,055 people, according to Palestinian officials.
• A humanitarian crisis is swiftly unfolding in Gaza, with hundreds of thousands displaced and many cut off from food and electricity. The enclave’s only power station has stopped workingafter running out of fuel, the head of the Gaza power authority said Wednesday.
• US President Joe Biden called the Hamas attack an "act of sheer evil," and confirmed 14 Americans were killed with others being held captive. Up to 150 hostages are believed to be held in Gaza, an Israeli official said. Meanwhile, the first shipment of weapons has arrived from the US since the Hamas attacks, Israel said.
• Here's how to help humanitarian efforts in Israel and Gaza.

 

[Arcangl86]

If there are Americans being held hostage then we almost certainly are going to be launching military attacks directly against Hamas to try and rescue them.

 

[Aaron112]

If there are Americans being held hostage then we almost certainly are going to be launching military attacks directly against Hamas to try and rescue them.

Or maybe pay a few million cash or trade (like with missiles?not good) , to have them released ?

 

[Arcangl86]

Or maybe pay a few million cash or trade (like with missiles?not good) , to have them released ?

There's a difference between a terrorist group like Hamas and a government like Iran. We aren't going to negotiate with them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If there are Americans being held hostage then we almost certainly are going to be launching military attacks directly against Hamas to try and rescue them.

I guess I wouldn't rule that out, but I think it unlikely. Gaza is a crowded half-destroyed maze; the odds of unintentionally killing the hostages (or driving the captors to kill them) would seem high. And the odds of having good intel on such a rapidly evolving conflict are slim.

 

[wing2000]

If there are Americans being held hostage then we almost certainly are going to be launching military attacks directly against Hamas to try and rescue them.

It's possible US special ops teams could go in with their Israeli conterparts....if sufficient intel can be gathered to identify the exact location etc. It will be high risk though...i.e. Black Hawk Down type scenario...

 

[Aaron112]

There's a difference between a terrorist group like Hamas and a government like Iran. We aren't going to negotiate with them.

Well, historically, I think, that's been proven wrong many times.... "under the table" for governments , terrors, and so on.... secretly, of course...

 

[Always in His Presence]

If there are Americans being held hostage then we almost certainly are going to be launching military attacks directly against Hamas to try and rescue them.

That depends on the Commander in Chief - IMHO - they will not.

 

[durangodawood]

That depends on the Commander in Chief - IMHO - they will not.

Thats probably for the best if we dont want them killed.

 

[Nithavela]

I wouldn't want to send humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip. Who's to say the helpers wouldn't just become the next batch of hostages? The terrorists of Hamas have shown that they spare neither foreigners nor humanitarian workers.

 

[timewerx]

The news are mostly one-sided.

It doesn't talk about Israel's highly aggressive and unjustified heavy hand monitoring of the Gaza strip before the conflict causing the deaths and life-long debilitating injuries of many innocent Palestinians and is outright terrorism.

And despite Israel's efforts to monitor the Gaza strip, the buildup proceeded anyways which makes you question Israel's goals at "monitoring Gaza Strip" is it really for gathering intelligence and preventing buildups or just to terrorize the population.

And Israel's response to the terrorist attacks by the Hamas was to conduct aerial bombardments of civilian areas in the Gaza strip instead of sending "surgical strike teams" on the ground to minimize collateral damage and civilian casualties.

The West often refers to it as "deterrence" but they way it's being done is no different than terrorism.

I would bet the surprise attack was motivated by revenge and you cannot have revenge without a cause. Cause and Effect.

Deterrence have its place and purpose but use it on innocents and do it long enough, people will eventually reach its breaking point and can't take any more of it.

 

[Divide]

I wouldn't want to send humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip. Who's to say the helpers wouldn't just become the next batch of hostages? The terrorists of Hamas have shown that they spare neither foreigners nor humanitarian workers.

They can't whine about humanitarianism when they started it and act like they do. That's why they calll it war I guess.

I think they bit off more than thy can chew.

 

[Aaron112]

They can't whine about humanitarianism when they started it and act like they do. That's why they calll it war I guess.
I think they bit off more than thy can chew.

I think someone paid them to do it. No evidence nor news of this of course - hush hush.

 

[Nithavela]

I think someone paid them to do it. No evidence nor news of this of course - hush hush.

Which is all the more reason for you to believe so, of course?

 

[timewerx]

They can't whine about humanitarianism when they started it and act like they do. That's why they calll it war I guess.

I think they bit off more than thy can chew.

You haven't read the news few days ago when it's telling that Israel had a hand in this and the attacks are probably motivated by revenge for Israel's oppressive monitoring of the Gaza Strip that had led to the deaths of many innocent Palestinians.

As a Christian, would you consider the oppression of Palestinians righteous?

 

[Aaron112]

Which is all the more reason for you to believe so, of course?

No. HIstory repeats itself . If they had no money/ no financing/ they could not have done anything like what was done.

 

[Aaron112]

As a Christian, would you consider the oppression of Palestinians righteous?

There were none who did what is right, no , they were not innocent.
The actions taken against the terrorists were quite obviously necessary,

even though some would hope there was/is/ another way - the Palestinians and those who support their terrorism are guilty.

 

[Chesterton]

The news are mostly one-sided.

It doesn't talk about Israel's highly aggressive and unjustified heavy hand monitoring of the Gaza strip before the conflict causing the deaths and life-long debilitating injuries of many innocent Palestinians and is outright terrorism.

And despite Israel's efforts to monitor the Gaza strip, the buildup proceeded anyways which makes you question Israel's goals at "monitoring Gaza Strip" is it really for gathering intelligence and preventing buildups or just to terrorize the population.

And Israel's response to the terrorist attacks by the Hamas was to conduct aerial bombardments of civilian areas in the Gaza strip instead of sending "surgical strike teams" on the ground to minimize collateral damage and civilian casualties.

The West often refers to it as "deterrence" but they way it's being done is no different than terrorism.

I would bet the surprise attack was motivated by revenge and you cannot have revenge without a cause. Cause and Effect.

Deterrence have its place and purpose but use it on innocents and do it long enough, people will eventually reach its breaking point and can't take any more of it.

Israel has to be heavy-handed because when they're not, stuff like this happens. And you seriously think Israel wants to terrorize the civilian population? To what end? What benefit would Israel gain from that?

 

[Always in His Presence]

You haven't read the news few days ago when it's telling that Israel had a hand in this and the attacks are probably motivated by revenge for Israel's oppressive monitoring of the Gaza Strip that had led to the deaths of many innocent Palestinians.

As a Christian, would you consider the oppression of Palestinians righteous?

One of the main goals of Hamas is the elimination of the Jews - they stated it plainly. They shoot rockets from heavy civilian areas, schools and hospitals and when Israel responds by taking the launch sites out - they claim Israel is firing on schools and hospitals. They use woman and children as human shields and then parade their bodies saying that Israel is killing woman and children. They use their money for weapons and preparation for war instead of the basic human needs of their people.

All established facts through the years.

Do you really believe monitoring people who publicly swear to kill you - who have openly attacked you for decades is reason to behead children? Or rape woman? or take and murder hostiges?

 

[Aaron112]

(especially at night like that allows you to generally assume they mean harm to you and yours even if their true intent is just to steal your stuff.

The intent to harm, kill, destroy, is plainly evident for years from the Palestinians.

Israel's oppressive monitoring of the Gaza Strip

hmmm...... where do you ever get "oppressive monitoring" from ?
Note the justification is already known, the overwhelming necessity of monitoring
and thus nothing right about calling the monitoring "oppressive" !

Do you really believe monitoring people who publicly swear to kill you

is "oppressive" ??
No, not at all.