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New bank subpoena shows Hunter received money from Beijing during Joe's campaign

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According to the article Biden lied about his family receiving money from China. So if that's the case, then Biden should apologize for lying about it.

“Bank records don’t lie but President Joe Biden does. In 2020, Joe Biden told Americans that his family never received money from China,” Comer said in a statement.
Lying requires somebody to know they are telling an untruth. There is no indication that Biden knew about the money. If he honestly believed that his family never received money from China (and what does it mean to receive money from China anyway? Does it just mean the money originates from that country or does it mean it comes from the Chinese Government? I would argue the second personally) and stated that, it's not a lie even if it's wrong.
 
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Lying requires somebody to know they are telling an untruth. There is no indication that Biden knew about the money. If he honestly believed that his family never received money from China (and what does it mean to receive money from China anyway? Does it just mean the money originates from that country or does it mean it comes from the Chinese Government? I would argue the second personally) and stated that, it's not a lie even if it's wrong.
In the OP Comer says point blank that Biden lied. Whereas I said if Biden lied.
 
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Lying requires somebody to know they are telling an untruth. There is no indication that Biden knew about the money. If he honestly believed that his family never received money from China (and what does it mean to receive money from China anyway? Does it just mean the money originates from that country or does it mean it comes from the Chinese Government? I would argue the second personally) and stated that, it's not a lie even if it's wrong.
Even the Washington Post gave Joe four pinocchios:


But the fact remains that Biden, during the debate, denied his son had made money in China. In court last week, his son has said he earned hundreds of thousands of dollars from Chinese business deals.

Four Pinocchios​

 
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According to the article Biden lied about his family receiving money from China. So if that's the case, then Biden should apologize for lying about it.

“Bank records don’t lie but President Joe Biden does. In 2020, Joe Biden told Americans that his family never received money from China,” Comer said in a statement.
You didn't answer my question.
 
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Hunter complained about giving Joe half. The elaborate shell company setup has something like ten Bidens or relations received money with Joe notably absent. If the financial records show any of those Bidens passing the money on to Joe that would be sufficient for impeachment.
Let me know when they have that evidence. Not just Comer, etc. making things up but actual bank records that show the flow of funds from a foreign company to Joe Biden or Jill Biden.

If they had the evidence Prof. Turley at the hearing yesterday would have happily said so but he said just the opposite and so did the other two witnesses.
Why should I believe Comer and Jordon over a Constitutional professor who is always on Fox supporting Trump and MAGA?
 
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(and what does it mean to receive money from China anyway? Does it just mean the money originates from that country or does it mean it comes from the Chinese Government? I would argue the second personally) and stated that, it's not a lie even if it's wrong.
Or does it mean that he made money in China from the company, BHR Partners, that he was invested in? He was one of the founding partners.

I don't understand the problem when many Americans make money doing business with China.
Mitt Romney did, thru D. Trump and I. Trump/Kushner, etc.
What manufacturing business with China is OK but financial investment advisers types of businesses aren't?

If someone can help me out with this I'm more than willing to listen.
 
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Or does it mean that he made money in China from the company, BHR Partners, that he was invested in? He was one of the founding partners.

I don't understand the problem when many Americans make money doing business with China.
Mitt Romney did, thru D. Trump and I. Trump/Kushner, etc.
What manufacturing business with China is OK but financial investment advisers types of businesses aren't?

If someone can help me out with this I'm more than willing to listen.
It, of course, depends on the letter next to your name. D = "iLlEgAl BrIbErY pAyMeNtS!!!!" R = "Just business. Totally cool. Totally fine."
 
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Let me know when they have that evidence. Not just Comer, etc. making things up but actual bank records that show the flow of funds from a foreign company to Joe Biden or Jill Biden.

If they had the evidence Prof. Turley at the hearing yesterday would have happily said so but he said just the opposite and so did the other two witnesses.
Why should I believe Comer and Jordon over a Constitutional professor who is always on Fox supporting Trump and MAGA?
Again this is an inquiry, the committee has just issued a subpoena for some financial records. Once the inquiry is complete committee members will decide if the gathered evidence warrants impeachment charges. You or I or the professor can guess as much as we want whether the totality of the evidence gathered by the committee at the committee's conclusion will warrant subpoena charges or not.
 
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Even the Washington Post gave Joe four pinocchios:


But the fact remains that Biden, during the debate, denied his son had made money in China. In court last week, his son has said he earned hundreds of thousands of dollars from Chinese business deals.

Four Pinocchios​

Good for them? While I appreciate the amount of work they put into the fact check, from what I can see at best they can say that Joe should have known that Hunter made money from China. There is no evidence he actually did that I can see.
 
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Good for them? While I appreciate the amount of work they put into the fact check, from what I can see at best they can say that Joe should have known that Hunter made money from China. There is no evidence he actually did that I can see.
Then no worries on the China front for Joe. Although I should say it looks bad for Joe because he met with the Chinese that wired the money to Hunter. Yesterday the committee subpoenaed Hunter's financial records, Hunter complained that half was going to Joe, or going to work on Joe's house. Hunter could have been lying, but it's a serious charge and the committee and the American people deserve the truth.
 
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I don't see why it's in the American public's interest to know that Hunter Biden complained about having to help pay for some kind of work on his dad's house, whether such payment came from his 'Chinese' earnings or not. Actual bribery would be for favors in business or something similar like that, but Chinese businesses (and Arab businesses, and European businesses, and businesses of every other type of origin) already get that from both Democrats and Republicans, so that doesn't make for such a great "Joe Biden is uniquely corrupt" type of story, since it contradicts Trump's baseless claims that Biden is somehow the most corrupt politician in history or whatever nonsense he's has been tweeting (probably in all caps, with many exclamation points, like a child throwing a tantrum) into the void on social media, and that's what this is all about: the GOP and its representatives yet again bending over backwards to try to make Trump's exaggerations, fabrications, and sometimes outright lies into something resembling reality. This is just 2020 election fraud nonsense via another venue, since all the legal interactions regarding that more directly have crashed and burned (or worse, depending on how the charges against Trump et al. regarding January 6th shake out).
 
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I don't see why it's in the American public's interest to know that Hunter Biden complained about having to help pay for some kind of work on his dad's house, whether such payment came from his 'Chinese' earnings or not. Actual bribery would be for favors in business or something similar like that, but Chinese businesses (and Arab businesses, and European businesses, and businesses of every other type of origin) already get that from both Democrats and Republicans, so that doesn't make for such a great "Joe Biden is uniquely corrupt" type of story, since it contradicts Trump's baseless claims that Biden is somehow the most corrupt politician in history or whatever nonsense he's has been tweeting (probably in all caps, with many exclamation points, like a child throwing a tantrum) into the void on social media, and that's what this is all about: the GOP and its representatives yet again bending over backwards to try to make Trump's exaggerations, fabrications, and sometimes outright lies into something resembling reality. This is just 2020 election fraud nonsense via another venue, since all the legal interactions regarding that more directly have crashed and burned (or worse, depending on how the charges against Trump et al. regarding January 6th shake out).
Joe met with the Chinese businessmen who wired Hunter the money, if Joe was doing favors for the Chinese and the money was being funneled through Hunter that is bribery. There would also be charges of tax evasion against Joe.
 
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No, sorry, not even close to being true. For example, it was shown that Democrats tried to call Rudy Giuliani, to talk about his time in Ukraine investigating the Bidens, but Republicans refused. Another example is Katie Porter, who posted part of here questioning on YouTube today and I don't recall here saying anything about Trump:


There were also the complaints about why Republicans, with two days remaining before the Government shuts down, is wasting time on an opening hearing. So lots of issues brought up by Democrats that had nothing to do with "but Trump."
I watched it. Yes, that was ALL they talked about. 2 Things: 1) We should not be wasting time on this impeachment inquiry when our country has REAL problems (the irony of saying that with a straight face, considering they spent years on trying to impeach Trump, with two failed impeachments to show for it - and entirely open borders).

And 2) But (whatever Joe did which was "" despite phone calls, emails, meetings, firings of prosecutors, and millions being funneled by Chinese oligarchs to members of the Biden family) TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. I could pull up some clips, but if you watched it and can be intellectually honest, you already know.
 
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Joe met with the Chinese businessmen who wired Hunter the money, if Joe was doing favors for the Chinese and the money was being funneled through Hunter that is bribery. There would also be charges of tax evasion against Joe.
When did these alleged things take place?
 
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I watched it. Yes, that was ALL they talked about. 2 Things: 1) We should not be wasting time on this impeachment inquiry when our country has REAL problems (the irony of saying that with a straight face, considering they spent years on trying to impeach Trump, with two failed impeachments to show for it - and entirely open borders).

And 2) But (whatever Joe did which was "" despite phone calls, emails, meetings, firings of prosecutors, and millions being funneled by Chinese oligarchs to members of the Biden family) TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. I could pull up some clips, but if you watched it and can be intellectually honest, you already know.
Great…you’ll be able to give us a timestamp when the Democrats mentioned “TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP”.
 
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Joe met with the Chinese businessmen who wired Hunter the money, if Joe was doing favors for the Chinese and the money was being funneled through Hunter that is bribery. There would also be charges of tax evasion against Joe.

Indeed it would be, but you'd have to be able to clearly tie that together. It's not enough to say "Hunter complained about having to share his 'Chinese' money with his dad/give him some of it to help with house repairs" if there are in fact other reasons why Hunter would have been paid by a Chinese company that are not directly related to his father (as there appear to be). It's not illegal to have Hunter be paid for his own stake in a company, and then use that money to pay his dad. Nobody has to like that, but it's not illegal unless it can be proven that this was Hunter somehow laundering what was in fact a bribe intended for his father, which is not proven by reference to his complaining.

I'm not saying the Bidens are clean (in fact, I don't believe they are), but notice how many "if"s and "would"s are in your post. Things that are proven don't need hedges like that. It seems like those making these accusations are long on "it would be"s and short on actual evidence to support said accusations. The reason I'm not out and out against this investigation (as ill-timed as it is, vis-a-vis the looming government shutdown) is that I think that if there is such evidence out there, the opportunity to find it and bring it forward is entirely necessary to ensure that, in so far as it is possible, politicians don't get away with being a bunch of grifting, manipulative scumbags, despite that being their nature. Having said that, what has been presented so far is simply not evidence. It's conjecture, hearsay, 'Chinese whispers', if you will, but direct evidence it is not.
 
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That Hunter was using Joe's address goes to the credibility of Joe's statement that he knew nothing of Hunter's business. Typically a bank mails at least some statements to the physical address of the bank account.
It's against the law to open other people's mail. So, Joe wouldn't have a reason to open his son's personal mail. Unless his son asked him too.
 
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I watched it. Yes, that was ALL they talked about. 2 Things: 1) We should not be wasting time on this impeachment inquiry when our country has REAL problems (the irony of saying that with a straight face, considering they spent years on trying to impeach Trump, with two failed impeachments to show for it - and entirely open borders).

And 2) But (whatever Joe did which was "" despite phone calls, emails, meetings, firings of prosecutors, and millions being funneled by Chinese oligarchs to members of the Biden family) TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. I could pull up some clips, but if you watched it and can be intellectually honest, you already know.

You contradict yourself in the first paragraph -- admitting that one of the things Democrats talked about was why we were wasting time on an impeachment inquiry, where no evidence was presented, when the government was about to shutdown. That isn't talking about Trump. And you completely ignored the video I had in my post, where Trump was not mentioned.

Instead, you are the one who is going "what about..." when you talk about how Democrats had impeachment inquiries -- but ignore the fact that Democrats never did it on the eve of a government shutdown -- so not comparable at all.
 
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Indeed it would be, but you'd have to be able to clearly tie that together. It's not enough to say "Hunter complained about having to share his 'Chinese' money with his dad/give him some of it to help with house repairs" if there are in fact other reasons why Hunter would have been paid by a Chinese company that are not directly related to his father (as there appear to be). It's not illegal to have Hunter be paid for his own stake in a company, and then use that money to pay his dad. Nobody has to like that, but it's not illegal unless it can be proven that this was Hunter somehow laundering what was in fact a bribe intended for his father, which is not proven by reference to his complaining.

I'm not saying the Bidens are clean (in fact, I don't believe they are), but notice how many "if"s and "would"s are in your post. Things that are proven don't need hedges like that. It seems like those making these accusations are long on "it would be"s and short on actual evidence to support said accusations. The reason I'm not out and out against this investigation (as ill-timed as it is, vis-a-vis the looming government shutdown) is that I think that if there is such evidence out there, the opportunity to find it and bring it forward is entirely necessary to ensure that, in so far as it is possible, politicians don't get away with being a bunch of grifting, manipulative scumbags, despite that being their nature. Having said that, what has been presented so far is simply not evidence. It's conjecture, hearsay, 'Chinese whispers', if you will, but direct evidence it is not.
You contradict yourself in the first paragraph -- admitting that one of the things Democrats talked about was why we were wasting time on an impeachment inquiry, where no evidence was presented, when the government was about to shutdown.

Again, this is just the beginning of the impeachment inquiry. An inquiry gathers evidence and follows leads. The inquiry, until the final days, is not about "presenting" evidence. Not until that time will evidence be formally presented and a vote for impeachment will take place.
As to evidence so far, there is plenty of incriminating evidence against Joe. Joe has been dishonest. The Bidens have not explained exactly what they did to earn the money that came through twenty shell companies. What did the grandchildren do? And Joe fought the release of Hunter Biden emails claiming executive privilege--that is, the emails were OK for private citizen Hunter Biden to see and who knows how many of his associates but not for the rest of us to see.
 
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The Bidens have not explained exactly what they did for the money. Again, this is just the beginning of the impeachment inquiry.
Why would a private citizen need to explain the details of how they earned money at an impeachment hearing? Typically those sorts of hearings are about a government official doing something illegal, not a private citizen making money.
 
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