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Nebraska governor signs order narrowly defining sex as that assigned at birth

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Well, if he just walked in as a man and no one noticed, I highly doubt that a law banning trans people from using their preferred bathroom would have stopped him.
The law isn't about trans. It's about gender.

Men don't belong in the women's restrooms.
 
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HRC Foundation and the University of Connecticut released the largest-of-its-kind survey ever of more than 12,000 LGBTQ


Moving the goalposts?
Maybe try reading the report first? They broke out respondents by gender identity - transgender being one of those.
 
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The law isn't about trans. It about gender.

Men don't belong in the women's restrooms.
Right, and if no one saw him go in, then no one could have stopped him, law or no law.
 
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Your imaginings of what transgender people do at urinals are irrelevant.
I've seen pictures of masses of homosexuals roaming the streets naked at gay pride events. Why don't we see this sort of behavior at say Irish pride events?
 
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Right, and if no one saw him go in, then no one could have stopped him, law or no law.
Are you proposing lawlessness? An assault weapon would have stopped him. Maybe we need to peel back some gun laws. BTW, he was arrested. Arrested is synonymous with stopped.
 
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Was this person transgender, or did they pretend to be transgender to gain access?
Bingo! That's the problem! Glad you recognize it. That's why men shouldn't be in women's restrooms or locker rooms. Women have no way of knowing if they are trans or just pretending.
 
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I didn't say some trans-person. I'm saying a person who claims to be trans.
This nonsense by Pillen refers only to transgender people. He says that if you are, for example, a transwoman then you aren't allowed in a women's restroom. And you are saying that this will protect women from being assaulted by them? Complete and abject nonsense.

What he did not say was that he wanted to protect women from sexual predators who dress as women in order to hang around restrooms to assault women. He didn't need to. There are already laws against that.
 
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...or you could just answer the question.
What question? You claimed I was moving the goal posts based on the title of the survey (LGBTQ). I pointed out that the survey breaks the respondents down by gender identity, so the results can be (and are) broken down by the same. No goal posts have moved.

Now, I'd appreciate you actually addressing the arguments rather than fishing for gotchas.
Are you proposing lawlessness? BTW, he was arrested. Arrested is synonymous with stopped.
He was arrested after assaulting someone. The point was that a law banning transgender women from the women's room would have done nothing to prevent the assault - he went into the bathroom unobserved and was not noticed until he committed his assault. The law you're pushing for would only have made a difference if he was noticed and claimed to be transgender (or was ignored on the possibility that he might be). That does not seem to be the case.
I've seen pictures of masses of homosexuals roaming the streets naked at gay pride events. Why don't we see this sort of behavior at say Irish pride events?
What do masses of naked homosexuals have to do with the rates of sexual assault among transgender teenagers?
 
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So if someone has completely transgendered and is using the womens restroom, you want them jailed?
There is no such thing as completely transgendered.
 
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Trans people need to accept compromise and either use the bathroom they were assigned at birth or use a unisex bathroom. Not everyone is going to accept their lifestyle.
 
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So if someone has completely transgendered and is using the womens restroom, you want them jailed?
Trans "women" are still men and have no business being in a women's restroom. Period.
 
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Trans "women" are still men and have no business being in a women's restroom. Period.
And you're going to stand at the door and ask personal questions of literaly every women who wants to enter and demand a birth certificate and maybe a blood sample. A sworn statement maybe. Do you have access to a lie detector? Keep a bible handy. And of course a copy of their police record if they have one. I'd recommend school and medical records. And a marriage certificate. If all else fails, a genital inspection by a qualified medical practitioner.
 
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And you're going to stand at the door and ask personal questions of literaly every women who wants to enter and demand a birth certificate and maybe a blood sample. A sworn statement maybe. Do you have access to a lie detector? Keep a bible handy. And of course a copy of their police record if they have one. I'd recommend school and medical records. And a marriage certificate. If all else fails, a genital inspection by a qualified medical practitioner.
Is anyone going to stop every driver on the highway to make sure their diver's license is valid? No? Well then let's not have a law against driving with an invalid license.
 
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Is anyone going to stop every driver on the highway to make sure their diver's license is valid? No? Well then let's not have a law against driving with an invalid license.
Ah yes. If you're stopped, you show your licence. So now all women are going to need documentation showing that they were born biologically female. Or, as I said...are you going to stand at the door and ask personal questions of literally every women who wants to enter and demand a birth certificate and maybe a blood sample. A sworn statement maybe. Do you have access to a lie detector? Keep a bible handy. And of course a copy of their police record if they have one. I'd recommend school and medical records. And a marriage certificate. If all else fails, a genital inspection by a qualified medical practitioner.

Which is it going to be? All women carrying a 'Gender Document'? Maybe they can have it sewn on the clothing. That's been done before for some people. I'm sure it would work again. Or are you going to go with any permutation of the proposals above?

I don't think you really thought this through. Or at least, I sincerely hope you didn't, because the implications are too horrendous to contemplate.
 
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Ah yes. If you're stopped, you show your licence. So now all women are going to need documentation showing that they were born biologically female. Or, as I said...are you going to stand at the door and ask personal questions of literally every women who wants to enter and demand a birth certificate and maybe a blood sample. A sworn statement maybe. Do you have access to a lie detector? Keep a bible handy. And of course a copy of their police record if they have one. I'd recommend school and medical records. And a marriage certificate. If all else fails, a genital inspection by a qualified medical practitioner.

Which is it going to be? All women carrying a 'Gender Document'? Maybe they can have it sewn on the clothing. That's been done before for some people. I'm sure it would work again. Or are you going to go with any permutation of the proposals above?

I don't think you really thought this through. Or at least, I sincerely hope you didn't, because the implications are too horrendous to contemplate.
I'm saying those analogies are ridiculous slippery slope hyperbole, that doesn't exist within the reality of actual law enforcement.
 
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I'm saying those analogies are ridiculous slippery slope hyperbole, that doesn't exist within the reality of actual law enforcement.
They're not analogies. They are actual means whereby you can determine if someone in a women's restroom was born a biological man. If you don't like the one's I've proposed then we'll go with your suggestion (which actually was an analogy) - women are going to need to carry a license. Some documentation to show they were born biologically female. And which they will have to produce on demand. Just like your driving licence.

It'll have to be compulsory or it would be worthless. How do you think that will go down with the sisterhood? Think they'll like your idea? And look, I know you haven't put too much thought into this so far. So develop it a little more if you could. Maybe @RileyG can chip in as well.
 
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