The practice of healing and working of miracles

[jiminpa]

I don't see the point in your example.

If you ask me that question, my answer is yes. Should I be offended that King Saul believes the same?

No, but having a similar belief to someone you want to vilify doesn't make the poster on this forum a villain either.

 

[jiminpa]

You must not be understanding my position or you are tying it in with something else.

I value a relationship with Jesus, not one with my bible.

I read what His word says all the time, but I don't try to beat the gates of heaven down with my demands or try to accuse Jesus of not acting on His word when I said He was suppose to. I ask Him about things honestly and then listen. What He decides to so is what He decides to do, I have no say in the matter unless He asks for my opinion, of which He has asked me before at times.

I'm not really sure what you were reading out of my statement, but this is how I interact with GOD and will continue to do so.

If what you are hearing Him decide to do is out of line with His word, I would venture to say that you are not hearing Him. We are seeing as through a glass, dimly.

 

[Guojing]

No, but having a similar belief to someone you want to vilify doesn't make the poster on this forum a villain either.

I already stated there is nothing wrong with Bethel and Bill Johnson's beliefs.

Is everyone in this forum supposed to vilify him?

 

[jiminpa]

I already stated there is nothing wrong with Bethel and Bill Johnson's beliefs.

Is everyone in this forum supposed to vilify him?

Your posts seem to me to not be in agreement with each other. I'm done engaging with you.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are you saying God takes control of my body and does the work without me realizing it?

Let's use an example to clarify what you mean, how will your definition here apply to fasting?

We are taught to walk in the Spirit.

If we give Him permission to work through us, He can.

If we proceed outside His will His presence is dissipated.

Then we are walking in the Flesh.

If we walk in the Spirit He is empowering us so it is no longer I that liveth but Christ that lives in me.

Fasting out of His will in the flesh will likely come to nothing, and can lead to confusion.

I have given Him my eyes - he commonly takes over where I look if I am searching for something.

I have given Him my voice - I have on occasions found myself saying stuff that I would never have thought to say.

I have given Him my feet - on occasions He has led me exactly to someone in need and empowered me to see that need met.

We often can realise it at the time as our mind gives way to His indwelling Spirit.

 

[Guojing]

Fasting out of His will in the flesh will likely come to nothing, and can lead to confusion.

So even if I fast in his will, would I still be the one doing the fasting?

I will still feel the hunger even if I was fasting in his will, you would agree with that?

 

[Guojing]

Your posts seem to me to not be in agreement with each other. I'm done engaging with you.

The practice of healing and working of miracles

Do you worship at Bethel church? This is Bill Johnson's teaching. Is that meant to be offensive?

www.christianforums.com

Guess you have not read this post of mine first, before you came in.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So even if I fast in his will, would I still be the one doing the fasting?

I will still feel the hunger even if I was fasting in his will, you would agree with that?

Is God willing and doing of His good purpose as Scripture says ?

When I fast in His will I do not feel hungry. But this is a personal issue. However I seems that Jesus did also if you read Matt 4

2 And after He had fasted for forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.

 

[Guojing]

Is God willing and doing of His good purpose as Scripture says ?

When I fast in His will I do not feel hungry. But this is a personal issue. However I seems that Jesus did also if you read Matt 4

2 And after He had fasted for forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.

Yes so my point is fasting is a work that man do.

Even if he wants you to fast, God is not going to fast through you, nor will he be fasting for you.

You have no problem believing that Noah must do the work to build the ark, even if it was Gods will, so why are you belaboring this point of mine?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes so my point is fasting is a work that man do.

Even if he wants you to fast, God is not going to fast through you, nor will he be fasting for you.

You have no problem believing that Noah must do the work to build the ark, even if it was Gods will, so why are you belaboring this point of mine?

Sorry but you seem to struggle in understanding the New Covenant.

Are you a Jew ?

Where do you fellowship ?

 

[Guojing]

Sorry but you seem to struggle in understanding the New Covenant.

Are you a Jew ?

Where do you fellowship ?

What has all these questions got to do with the definition of the term "work"?

 

[Carl Emerson]

What has all these questions got to do with the definition of the term "work"?

Well if you yourself said - if you don't want to answer we should move on.

Have a great day.

 

[Guojing]

Well if you yourself said - if you don't want to answer we should move on.

Have a great day.

Yep, since we cannot even agree on the basic difference between faith and work, no point proceeding on.

I take it that you regard the fasting, praying, seeking God's face etc in that post, as all "not works" then.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yep, since we cannot even agree on the basic difference between faith and work, no point proceeding on.

I take it that you regard the fasting, praying, seeking God's face etc in that post, as all "not works" then.

They are His Works if in His Will and empowered by His Spirit.

Another reason I withdraw is because you avoid questions about yourself and you even block your profile.

How do we know you don't intend wear down the saints with questions.

Are you in fellowship?

No responce.

Are you a Jew?

No response.

What is your motive?

No response.

I have given you much more time than many.

I could be talking to a Bot.

 

[Guojing]

They are His Works if in His Will and empowered by His Spirit.

So if you want to use this definition for works, for Noah, who was the one that did the work to build the ark?

Was it Noah or God?

 

[ARBITER01]

When I fast in His will I do not feel hungry.

This is correct. I've experienced this before. I went 2 1/2 weeks without being hungry at all, but I had to take protein drinks and supplements to not get too weak though.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So if you want to use this definition for works, for Noah, who was the one that did the work to build the ark?

Was it Noah or God?

Again you show little understanding of the New Covenant in which His very person of the Holy Spirit indwells permanently. This was predicted in a Covenant to come by Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

If you understood that you would not refer back to Noah.

 

[Carl Emerson]

This is correct. I've experienced this before. I went 2 1/2 weeks without being hungry at all, but I had to take protein drinks and supplements to not get too weak though.

Ahhh... that we would learn to eat of the food that they knew not of !!!

 

[jiminpa]

They are His Works if in His Will and empowered by His Spirit.

Another reason I withdraw is because you avoid questions about yourself and you even block your profile.

How do we know you don't intend wear down the saints with questions.

Are you in fellowship?

No responce.

Are you a Jew?

No response.

What is your motive?

No response.

I have given you much more time than many.

I could be talking to a Bot.

In other sub forums he's used this website as a reference. I think it will answer all of those questions. For What Saith the Scriptures?. It's dispensationalist, extreme cessationist, and has a waiting for the mothership kind of feel to it. I think it's consistent with the content of his posts here.

 

[Guojing]

Again you show little understanding of the New Covenant in which His very person of the Holy Spirit indwells permanently. This was predicted in a Covenant to come by Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

If you understood that you would not refer back to Noah.

In the first place, we are neither the House of Israel nor the House of Judah, so unless you are into replacement theology, the New Covenant is still a future for them.

So for Noah, you believe that it is God's will for him to build an ark (Genesis 6:14), but he was not empowered by the Spirit to do so? Is that the case?