Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

[Brightfame52]

Jesus says that those who believe the Gospel and are baptized will be saved in Mark 16:15-16. You conflate believing the Gospel with trusting in the flesh. So now believing in what Jesus said is trusting in the flesh - devilish!

Paul in Acts 2, says that those who repent (in response to his Gospel message) and are baptized will be saved. Contrast that with Calvinism which is a confidence game that questions others based upon performance. Pull the plank out!

Jesus will save His People from their sins, its conditioned on Gods word of promise. " Shall Save"

 

[zoidar]

You said the promise made to save His People from their sins in Matt 1:21 is restricted to ethnc jews. Thats race salvation being promised according to you

... though on the same terms as anyone else, through repentance and faith.

 

[John Mullally]

Jesus will save His People from their sins, its conditioned on Gods word of promise. " Shall Save"

You assume that God selects who His people are. Where as Jesus in Matthew 12:48-50, Jesus says that his people are those who do the will of the Father. Jesus did not say anything about God puppetting anyone to do God's will as you can only derive that from Calvin. If it was important and true that God puppets our every action, don't you think that would be plainly stated in scripture. Why wait 1500 years for Calvin to introduce that? Paul speaks of doctrines of devils - so we we should be careful to speculate.

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

 

[Brightfame52]

His People that He SHALL save from their sins, are all of the many He represented Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one[Jesus] shall many be made righteous.

To make or be made righteous is another way of saying to save them from their sins. 7

 

[Brightfame52]

... though on the same terms as anyone else, through repentance and faith.

So you preach a false gospel of salvation by ethnicity.

 

[Brightfame52]

You assume that God selects who His people are. Where as Jesus in Matthew 12:48-50, Jesus says that his people are those who do the will of the Father. Jesus did not say anything about God puppetting anyone to do God's will as you can only derive that from Calvin. If it was important and true that God puppets our every action, don't you think that would be plainly stated in scripture. Why wait 1500 years for Calvin to introduce that? Paul speaks of doctrines of devils - so we we should be careful to speculate.

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

God has chosen who will be saved, and they shall be saved by Jesus Christ, and they are the only ones God promised to save by Jesus Christ, His People Matt 1:21

 

[zoidar]

So you preach a false gospel of salvation by ethnicity.

I just preach what the Bible says, no more, no less.

 

[BBAS 64]

You assume that God selects who His people are. Where as Jesus in Matthew 12:48-50, Jesus says that his people are those who do the will of the Father. Jesus did not say anything about God puppetting anyone to do God's will as you can only derive that from Calvin. If it was important and true that God puppets our every action, don't you think that would be plainly stated in scripture. Why wait 1500 years for Calvin to introduce that? Paul speaks of doctrines of devils - so we we should be careful to speculate.

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

Good day, John

Great quote there!

Just adding the section heading:

8. Erroneous views as to Providence refuted:—I. The sect of the Stoics. II. The fortune and chance of the Heathen.

Would you lean more to the Stoic's or the Heathen view of Providence?

In Him,

Bill

 

[OldAbramBrown]

... he has destined ... (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)

We are destined by a mixture of our own effects and others' and the results before God will often be relative.

Thank you for wallowing in that nasty literature for us.

 

[Brightfame52]

I just preach what the Bible says, no more, no less.

Not preaching salvation based upon ethnicity !

 

[John Mullally]

Good day, John

Great quote there!

Just adding the section heading:

8. Erroneous views as to Providence refuted:—I. The sect of the Stoics. II. The fortune and chance of the Heathen.

Would you lean more to the Stoic's or the Heathen view of Providence?

In Him,

Bill

Good day, Bill

Seriously, I am willing to engage but I don't know what you are getting at. Calvinism attracts many intelligent people because on the surface it's logic is difficult to refute. If you want an intelligent interchange, come at me directly bro - ha, ha, Yo Yo.

In Him,
John

 

[John Mullally]

We are destined by a mixture of our own effects and others' and the results before God will often be relative.

Thank you for wallowing in that nasty literature for us.

There are many aggressive judgemental Calvinists on these forums (and on the internet). They need to be held into account and the best way I found is to quote Calvin himself. John Calvin Quotes – The Calvinism of John Calvin – Are Calvinists REALLY “Calvinists”?

 

[OldAbramBrown]

There are many aggressive judgemental Calvinists on these forums (and on the internet). They need to be held into account and the best way I found is to quote Calvin himself. John Calvin Quotes – The Calvinism of John Calvin – Are Calvinists REALLY “Calvinists”?

Thank you, shall delve when I'm not tired. It seems sometimes it's him that forges ahead in dishonesty (as weapon of choice), sometimes Edwards, sometimes the rest of them, and always those who masquerade.

He would never be an authority for me (of any kind) as he was only a politician.

 

[John Mullally]

God has chosen who will be saved, and they shall be saved by Jesus Christ, and they are the only ones God promised to save by Jesus Christ, His People Matt 1:21

In Mark 16:15-16, Jesus says that those who believe the Gospel and are baptized will be saved. Why do you dispute what Jesus said? Jesus said nothing about being chosen in that context. Are we to believe what Jesus said, or are we to believe that God is a trickster who offers salvation to mankind (i.e. the Gospel) while denying the capacity for many to believe? The word of God does not say that God blocks us from believing - it is only the trickster word of Calvin that proclaims that doctrine of devils.

 

[Brightfame52]

In Mark 16:15-16, Jesus says that those who believe the Gospel and are baptized will be saved. Why do you dispute what Jesus said? Jesus said nothing about being chosen in that context. Are we to believe what Jesus said, or are we to believe that God is a trickster who offers salvation to mankind (i.e. the Gospel) while denying the capacity for many to believe? The word of God does not say that God blocks us from believing - it is only the trickster word of Calvin that proclaims that doctrine of devils.

Again

God has chosen who will be saved, and they shall be saved by Jesus Christ, and they are the only ones God promised to save by Jesus Christ, His People Matt 1:21

 

[Bobber]

God has chosen who will be saved, and they shall be saved by Jesus Christ, and they are the only ones God promised to save by Jesus Christ, His People Matt 1:21

All it takes to blow what you're saying about this verse out of the water is for one to understand that Jesus CAME for the Jew first....and then to the Greek and Gentiles. Jesus was of the seed of Abraham and this verse from Matt 1 you quote from was right from the start of his ministry. His people were the Jews....but it didn't stay this way.

 

[Brightfame52]

All it takes to blow what you're saying about this verse out of the water is for one to understand that Jesus CAME for the Jew first....and then to the Greek and Gentiles. Jesus was of the seed of Abraham and this verse from Matt 1 you quote from was right from the start of his ministry. His people were the Jews....but it didn't stay this way.

You condition salvation on ethnicity also !

 

[Bobber]

Are we to believe what Jesus said, or are we to believe that God is a trickster who offers salvation to mankind (i.e. the Gospel) while denying the capacity for many to believe?

Some Christians may claim to believe that but I'll say one thing I don't believe there's anyway they can LOVE God....I just don't believe a human spirit would ever have a capacity to LOVE anyone who would do what you suggest above but yes that's what Calvinists declare. They may have fear for a god like that but love them....NO. Out of LOVE is LOVE born. To say one can LOVE someone who is unkind and doesn't give people a fair chance.....how can one love one like that? I don't question that many Calvinists aren't devout and they work hard in ministry.....but LOVE God.....I say impossible.

 

[Bobber]

You condition salvation on ethnicity also !

No it isn't. Israel was just meant to be the home base for the gospel message to go forth to ALL the world. Israel was meant to be the lighthouse nation to a world in darkness showing the way into salvation.

 

[Brightfame52]

No it isn't. Israel was just meant to be the home base for the gospel message to go forth to ALL the world. Israel was meant to be the lighthouse nation to a world in darkness showing the way into salvation.

Yes it is, You say His People in Matt 1:21 is restricted to ethnic jews, you are claiming that Jesus is saving people based upon their ethnicity, which is totally against Salvation by Grace.