The Kingdom Age

[OldAbramBrown]

The Day of the Lord is not judgment ... It is the Day of the Lord after the judgment that is considered the thousand years.

The Day of the Lord is a period beginning well before Christ's return and culminating in it.

This is the period which comes, as an entire period, like a thief in the night (christians don't notice it).

Any specific "1,000 years" doesn't come into it.

The Old Testament usages meantime have a dual meaning: they mean events nearer those times PLUS the above mentioned.

All times are "the day that the Lord hath made" and "God's acceptable hour".

HTH.

 

[Timtofly]

Hmmm... the Prophets and Apostles above all confirm the Day of the Lord IS Judgment.

21st century internet guy Timtofly says Nope, they're all wrong.

You'll forgive me for siding with the Prophets and Apostles when choosing which of these directly opposed, polar opposite positions to accept as true and correct.

The day of judgment is judgment. Those are the words. The Day of the Lord is not judgment, but comes as a cleansing fire. The cleansing fire is judgment.

All you are doing is denying the Day of the Lord. I am not denying the day of judgment. I am pointing out the difference between the day of judgment, and the Day of the Lord.

 

[Timtofly]

The Day of the Lord is a period beginning well before Christ's return and culminating in it.

This is the period which comes, as an entire period, like a thief in the night (christians don't notice it).

Any specific "1,000 years" doesn't come into it.

The Old Testament usages meantime have a dual meaning: they mean events nearer those times PLUS the above mentioned.

All times are "the day that the Lord hath made" and "God's acceptable hour".

HTH.

The Day of the Lord is the Millennium Reign of Christ preceding by a period of judgment, called the final harvest. Pointed out as Jacob's trouble in Scripture.

 

[dfw69]

I am talking about the Millennial or the 1,000 year reign of Christ. There are lots of scriptues like Isaiah 2:4 "He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.

Revelation 20:1 "1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years".

Quoting scripture such as these are you still on the fence about Jesus appearing literally and physically?

 

[Diamond72]

Quoting scripture such as these are you still on the fence about Jesus appearing literally and physically?

Yes, all it would take is for the government to become a christian government. The funny thing is that I have been to Heaven three times and yet I am not even sure Heaven is real. It could all be a product of our imagination.

 

[dfw69]

Yes, all it would take is for the government to become a christian government.

A Christian government? Not likely….but im not understanding why you mention this thought

The funny thing is that I have been to Heaven three times and yet I am not even sure Heaven is real.

Other biblical witnesses says it real

It could all be a product of our imagination.

I can see why many think that with all the evil committed and seems there is no savior above

…many have not had a real touch or encounter with God nor with His Son nor the Spirit for whatever reason

I hope and pray you do experience that reality and get saved .. the just shall live by faith

 

[dfw69]

As a dispensationalist, I believe the church age started at Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Then the Kingdom age is 1,000 years. What I wonder is if Jesus will physically return or if His return is symbolic in some way. Also, I wonder how we will transition from one age to the next. Lots of people think there will be a 7-year tribulation period.

I believe Jesus will return physical as He went up but with great glory in appearing

Rev reveals the transition from human government to divine government will be a war between satan and Gods angels as well as an earthly war going on between AC and Jesus

 

[Diamond72]

I believe Jesus will return physical as He went up but with great glory in appearing

That is what we read in Acts.

 

[Diamond72]

A Christian government? Not likely….but im not understanding why you mention this thought

The passage "The government will rest on his shoulders". Is very common and often found in Christmas cards. The idea is that someone will carry the weight or burden of leading and making important decisions for the government.

Isaiah 9:6-7 New Living Translation (NLT)For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His government and its peace will never end.

 

[dfw69]

The passage "The government will rest on his shoulders". Is very common and often found in Christmas cards. The idea is that someone will carry the weight or burden of leading and making important decisions for the government.

Isaiah 9:6-7 New Living Translation (NLT)For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His government and its peace will never end.

Is it not taking about the Jewish government when messiah come?

 

[Diamond72]

Is it not taking about the Jewish government when messiah come?

Yes, the new Jerusalem is 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. That is the entire Arab continental plate. All mineral rights all air space. On the feast of Tabernacles, the nations will need to send a representative to Jerusalem. The genealogies show that Jesus will be King in the bloodline of David, through Mary.

Zechariah 14:16-17 (New International Version): "Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain."

Zechariah 14:8-9 (Hebrew Bible): The Lord will be king over the whole earth.

 

[Diamond72]

The Day of the Lord is a period beginning well before Christ's return and culminating in it.

The day of the Lord is a time of judgment AND this is also the perfect day because it is a time when the Saints of God become perfected. This will become the first day of a new heaven and a new earth. Although in a war zone or a natural disaster that is a type of the day of the Lord.

Proverbs 4:18
King James Bible
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

 

[Diamond72]

Is it not taking about the Jewish government when messiah come?

Yes, but we are adopted into the family of Abraham, so we are included in the promise. I found that the Rabbi are more than happy to teach the Gentiles. As long as we do not ask questions.

 

[dfw69]

Yes, but we are adopted into the family of Abraham, so we are included in the promise.

What promise? To have a portion in the promise land in a remote land around Jerusalem where justice does not exist where hate is prominent against their neighbors?.. And pay rabbis to answer questions ..No thanks

Abraham promise was according to the flesh and partly fulfilled in Jesus and the rest comes later..

But now we can obtain a better promise according to the Spirit which is to obtain a heavenly citizenship…oh by the way its free with $0 membership

 

[Diamond72]

And pay rabbis to answer questions No thanks

They don't want to answer questions. In Bible school, we encourage questions so we know what people are interested in. I did have a Rabbi answer a question once to clarify what he was saying. Perhaps they are just trying to avoid persecution. The principal and the director at my high school were holocaust survivors from Germany. They were able to get a visa to become American because of their education.

 

[oikonomia]

The kingdom/rulership that is in the millennium is Christ ruling through Israel over the nations of the earth. Christ rules from His seat of power and authority in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

How would you understand that He sits on the throne of His glory on earth in the Holy Land?

But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the angels with Him, at that time He will sit on the throne of His glory.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (Matt. 25:31,32)

Do you think if this is in heaven Jesus will take to heaven those who are "goats" to go into eternal punishment?
Do you believe He will gather all the nations before Him in heaven?

I mean Joel 3:12 indicates that this judgment takes place in the Holy Land in the valley of Jehoshaphat.

Hurry and come, / All you surrounding nations, / And be gathered. / There cause Your mighty ones to descend, O Jehovah!
Let the nations rouse themselves and come up / To the valley of Jehoshaphat. / For there I will sit to judge / All the surrounding nations. . . . Multitudes, multitudes, / In the valley of decision; / For the day of Jehovah has drawn near / In the valley of decision. (See Joel 3:11-14)

Back to the same event in Matthew 25:41:

Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (v.41)

Does Jesus take the condemned up to heaven to be judged?

"[T]he throne of His glory" is also mentioned in Matthew 19:28 about the restoration of the 1,000 years.

And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that you who have followed Me, in the restoration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)

Do you believe that the twelve disciples will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes from heaven ?

 

[oikonomia]

And scriptures for those thoughts please?

You did not ask me per se. But I would refer you to Isaiah 2:3.

And many peoples will come and say, / Come and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, / To the house of the God of Jacob, / That He may instruct us in His ways, / And that we may walk in His paths. / For from Zion will go forth instruction, / And the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem; (Isaiah 2:3)

Peoples will go up to Jerusalem where the Lord Jesus will be to be instructed by Him. No?

 

[Marilyn C]

How would you understand that He sits on the throne of His glory on earth in the Holy Land?

But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the angels with Him, at that time He will sit on the throne of His glory.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (Matt. 25:31,32)

Do you think if this is in heaven Jesus will take to heaven those who are "goats" to go into eternal punishment?
Do you believe He will gather all the nations before Him in heaven?

I mean Joel 3:12 indicates that this judgment takes place in the Holy Land in the valley of Jehoshaphat.

Hurry and come, / All you surrounding nations, / And be gathered. / There cause Your mighty ones to descend, O Jehovah!
Let the nations rouse themselves and come up / To the valley of Jehoshaphat. / For there I will sit to judge / All the surrounding nations.oikno . . . Multitudes, multitudes, / In the valley of decision; / For the day of Jehovah has drawn near / In the valley of decision. (See Joel 3:11-14)

Back to the same event in Matthew 25:41:

Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (v.41)

Does Jesus take the condemned up to heaven to be judged?

"[T]he throne of His glory" is also mentioned in Matthew 19:28 about the restoration of the 1,000 years.

And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that you who have followed Me, in the restoration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)

Do you believe that the twelve disciples will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes from heaven ?

Hi oiknomai,

Have you ever thought that the word `throne,` means authority and power. The Lord does not get His throne, authority from anyone on earth but from the Father. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22) And there we see that the Lord is enthroned `far above all....`

So, in Matt. 25: 31 & 32 we know that His `throne,` is His authority from the Father and NOT from any earthly authority. And yes, it is an earthly judgment of the nations.

Joel 3: 12 is the same event. Good spot there.

As to the 12 disciples sitting on thrones, they will have authority to rule in the city, the New Jerusalem. (Rev. 21: 14) And that is in the New Heavens and New Earth - eternity.

 

[Marilyn C]

You did not ask me per se. But I would refer you to Isaiah 2:3.

And many peoples will come and say, / Come and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, / To the house of the God of Jacob, / That He may instruct us in His ways, / And that we may walk in His paths. / For from Zion will go forth instruction, / And the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem; (Isaiah 2:3)

Peoples will go up to Jerusalem where the Lord Jesus will be to be instructed by Him. No?

That is in the millennium and the Lord`s throne/authority is there through a man called king David. (Jer. 30: 9 & Ez. 37: 24)

 

[oikonomia]

That is in the millennium and the Lord`s throne/authority is there through a man called king David. (Jer. 30: 9 & Ez. 37: 24)

You do believe that our Lord Jesus is Jehovah God become a man. Right?
As wonderful as David was he is not God in the flesh.

And many peoples will come and say, / Come and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, . . . That He [Jehovah] may instruct us in His [Jehovah's] ways, / And that we may walk in His [Jehovahs's] paths. / For from Zion will go forth instruction, / And the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem; (Isaiah 2:3)

I beleive Isaiah is talking about Jesus Christ - God-man, the Messiah.

We know that in His second coming the FEET of Jehovah will stand on Mt. Oliviet.

Then Jehovah will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights in a day of battle.
And His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; (Zech. 14:3,4)

But let me ask you this.
What passage/s would you use to demonstrate that Jesus ascends back up to Heaven after His feet stand on the mountain
in Jerusalem?