Who's idea was it to disburse immigrants all over the U.S.?

[Hans Blaster]

Mexicans have been crossing the boarders for well over 100 years already.

And what harm has it done, eh?

It's Tuesday, have a taco. It's traditional.

 

[Danthemailman]

Why I even bother to waste my time in these toxic discussions is beyond me! 75.8% vote for 'NO' has spoken.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's astonishing, isn't it, the way Christianity is being eroded away from the inside. Watching as apostasy happens right before your own eyes. Watching as the institution of God is whored out to the devil.

-CryptoLuther

This thread is the most blatant example of racism I’ve ever seen on CF. I mean if you want to talk about Hispanic criminals coming across the boarder that’s one thing but to actually say that all Hispanics are criminals is astronomically ridiculous, it’s beyond ridiculous. I’ve lived in Texas my entire life and I’ve been around Hispanics my entire life. I have numerous Hispanic friends and I’ve worked with numerous illegal immigrants and to say that they are all liars and criminals is just a flat out lie and I’m willing to bet that this is all solely based on the speculations of a racist bigot who goes around seeing innocent hard working people falsely judging them as being immoral just because of the color of their skin. It makes me sick and it’s a disgrace to my race because the vast majority of us are more intelligent and compassionate than that.

 

[Robban]

Meanwhile back at the ranch,

 

[ViaCrucis]

If they don't apply for citizenship they're illegal,. They're breaking the law. They're criminals. Jesus would not sanction criminals. People are moving away from what is honest and honorable. That's not Jesus that i know.

You mean the Jesus who was attacked by the religious elites and hypocrites for healing on the Sabbath, and who drove animals out of the Temple and turned over the money-changer's tables, and who was put to death by a Roman governor as an enemy of the state? That Jesus? Also, are we also talking about the Jesus who said, "If the world hated Me, it will hate you also"? Whose disciples and followers were thrown into prison for preaching His Gospel, and who were beheaded, crucified, beaten, fed to wild beasts for following Him instead of obeying the law that said they couldn't do that?

Are you sure you've got the right Jesus?

Perhaps you know a different Jesus?

You certainly haven't bothered to back up your "Jesus" with the Bible. Just saying.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why I even bother to waste my time in these toxic discussions is beyond me! 74.1% vote for no has spoken.

Yeah, I voted no. Open boarders would be a bad idea. My only point is the blatant stereotypical racist comments that are being made against Hispanics shouldn’t be coming from brothers & sisters who are in Christ.

 

[Danthemailman]

Yeah, I voted no. Open boarders would be a bad idea. My only point is the blatant stereotypical racist comments that are being made against Hispanics shouldn’t be coming from brothers & sisters who are in Christ.

I'm certainly not looking to make racist comments towards Hispanics and immigrants flooding into the US through the southern border are not all originally from Mexico. I'm just deeply concerned about America. Why is the Biden administration so determined to flood the US with immigrants in the first place? It's certainly not because he has compassion for these immigrants. I believe he has an alterior motive. The article that I shared in post #112 is one example of his motive.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Trying to find the moral high ground within American immigration is too big of a bite to swallow.

People are blinded not only by xenophobia, but also by their self-percieved righteousness.

Kingdoms rise and fall. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy your time now and be happy. Embrace death and the afterlife.

Going to leave this broke-down palace:

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm certainly not looking to make racist comments towards Hispanics and immigrants flooding into the US through the southern border are not all originally from Mexico. I'm just deeply concerned about America.

I have no idea where this idea of "open borders" comes from. Our southern border isn't "open". Illegal border crossings have been on the decline for decades, and that trend has been continuing regardless of who has been in the White House. Since Biden's been in office apprehensions and deportations have actually skyrocketed (CBP Enforcement Statistics Fiscal Year 2023)

Why is the Biden administration so determined to flood the US with immigrants in the first place?

Where does this idea even come from? What actual evidence do you have that the Biden administration is "determined to flood the US with immigrants"?

And are we talking undocumented, legal, or both?

It's certainly not because he has compassion for these immigrants. I believe he has an alterior motive.

First we'd need evidence of the claim in the first place. Where's that evidence?

The article that I shared in post #112 is one example of his motive.

Speculation and conspiracy theories are fun and all. But where's the evidence?

I'd also point out that the things said in that Newsmax article are precisely the kinds of things that video from Holy Post I shared in post #106 as being inherently un-Christian thinking. Christians don't withhold what they have out of a fear of scarcity, Christians give generously and abundantly because we trust in the providence of God, in God's abundant provision for us.

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him?

So whatever you wish others would do, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." - Matthew 7:7-14

"Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and He saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And He said, 'Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.'" - Luke 21:1-4

"And He said to His disciples, 'Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest? Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will He clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried. For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them. Instead, seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.'" - Luke 12:22-34

It is faithlessness that would have us horde for ourselves rather than provide for others. To say, "What is mine is mine, and must remain mine" is the mindset of the old man, indulgent upon his flesh; not the mind of Christ. Christ says to give yourself away, for in losing your life you shall find it; in giving you shall receive. It is the least who will be called greatest.

Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain shall be made low. He shall exalt the lowly and humble the arrogant. He shall remove crowns from kings and crown slaves as royalty.

You worry about America, but you should be concerned with your neighbor who hungers--whether they look like you, speak your language, or not. You, be like the Samaritan who seeing the Jewish man on the side of the road left for dead, did not consider the differences in nation or religion reason enough to let a hurt person not be cared for--but brought him to the inn and paid for his stay and recovery.

You, who call yourself by the Holy Name of Christ our God, give and expect nothing in return. Turn the other cheek, do not respond to evil with evil, if your coat is demanded, offer your shirt as well. If you are demanded to go one mile, go two. If you love only your own and who love you in return, what good is that? Don't even the wicked do that? Therefore be merciful as your Father is merciful, who sends His rain on the just and unjust alike, who is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

If we call ourselves "Christian", then we confess one Lord, Jesus Christ.
And His Commandment is Law. Our loyalty and allegiance is to Him as King, for our citizenship is in heaven (Philippians 3:20) and as we tread down here we are immigrants, and resident aliens (1 Peter 2:11)--for our native land is a kingdom of the heavens over which God is King and Christ is Lord.

Stop putting yourself first and put Jesus first.
Stop putting America first and put Jesus first.

Iesous Christos Kyrios.
οὔτε γὰρ ὄνομά ἐστιν ἕτερον
For there is no other name

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'm certainly not looking to make racist comments towards Hispanics and immigrants flooding into the US through the southern border are not all originally from Mexico. I'm just deeply concerned about America. Why is the Biden administration so determined to flood the US with immigrants in the first place? It's certainly not because he has compassion for these immigrants. I believe he has an alterior motive. The article that I shared in post #112 is one example of his motive.

And I agree brother I haven’t seen anything in your posts that I would consider to be racist. It was not your posts I was referring to and I do agree that open boarders would be an outright disaster. Furthermore Biden will never succeed in creating open boarders no matter how stupid he is congress would not collectively approve such a radical bill. I sincerely hope that he does try to pass such a ridiculous bill so that more people will see how much of an idiot he is and ruin any chance of him being re-elected.

 

[Danthemailman]

I have no idea where this idea of "open borders" comes from. Our southern border isn't "open". Illegal border crossings have been on the decline for decades, and that trend has been continuing regardless of who has been in the White House. Since Biden's been in office apprehensions and deportations have actually skyrocketed (CBP Enforcement Statistics Fiscal Year 2023)



Where does this idea even come from? What actual evidence do you have that the Biden administration is "determined to flood the US with immigrants"?

And are we talking undocumented, legal, or both?



First we'd need evidence of the claim in the first place. Where's that evidence?



Speculation and conspiracy theories are fun and all. But where's the evidence?

I'd also point out that the things said in that Newsmax article are precisely the kinds of things that video from Holy Post I shared in post #106 as being inherently un-Christian thinking. Christians don't withhold what they have out of a fear of scarcity, Christians give generously and abundantly because we trust in the providence of God, in God's abundant provision for us.

"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him?

So whatever you wish others would do, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." - Matthew 7:7-14

"Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and He saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And He said, 'Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.'" - Luke 21:1-4

"And He said to His disciples, 'Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest? Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will He clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried. For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them. Instead, seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.'" - Luke 12:22-34

It is faithlessness that would have us horde for ourselves rather than provide for others. To say, "What is mine is mine, and must remain mine" is the mindset of the old man, indulgent upon his flesh; not the mind of Christ. Christ says to give yourself away, for in losing your life you shall find it; in giving you shall receive. It is the least who will be called greatest.

Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain shall be made low. He shall exalt the lowly and humble the arrogant. He shall remove crowns from kings and crown slaves as royalty.

You worry about America, but you should be concerned with your neighbor who hungers--whether they look like you, speak your language, or not. You, be like the Samaritan who seeing the Jewish man on the side of the road left for dead, did not consider the differences in nation or religion reason enough to let a hurt person not be cared for--but brought him to the inn and paid for his stay and recovery.

You, who call yourself by the Holy Name of Christ our God, give and expect nothing in return. Turn the other cheek, do not respond to evil with evil, if your coat is demanded, offer your shirt as well. If you are demanded to go one mile, go two. If you love only your own and who love you in return, what good is that? Don't even the wicked do that? Therefore be merciful as your Father is merciful, who sends His rain on the just and unjust alike, who is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

If we call ourselves "Christian", then we confess one Lord, Jesus Christ.
And His Commandment is Law. Our loyalty and allegiance is to Him as King, for our citizenship is in heaven (Philippians 3:20) and as we tread down here we are immigrants, and resident aliens--for our native land is a kingdom of the heavens over which God is King and Christ is Lord.

Stop putting yourself first and put Jesus first.
Stop putting America first and put Jesus first.

Iesous Christos Kyrios.
οὔτε γὰρ ὄνομά ἐστιν ἕτερον
For there is no other name

-CryptoLutheran

Good grief are you really that far out of touch? If that's the case then no amount of evidence would satisfy you.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Good grief are you really that far out of touch? If that's the case then no amount of evidence would satisfy you.

Which part makes me out of touch? Wanting evidence of claims being made on an online discussion board? Or believing what the Bible says?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Danthemailman]

Which part makes me out of touch? Wanting evidence of claims being made on an online discussion board? Or believing what the Bible says?

-CryptoLutheran

You are out of touch with the game plan in regard to mass immigration. I've been onto Biden's game plan even back when he was still Vice President.

Joe Biden said, 'Whites will be a Minority in US by 2017 and that's not a bad thing.' Mass Iilegal immigration is no accident. There is an agenda.

 

[Pommer]

Good grief are you really that far out of touch? If that's the case then no amount of evidence would satisfy you.

We do not have “open borders”.
We do have the USMCA, (NAFTA 1.5), which ensures that trade betwixt the three (dominant) nations of the northern hemisphere will not diminish anytime soon, therefore we cannot “close the border”.

 

[Danthemailman]

We do not have “open borders”.
We do have the USMCA, (NAFTA 1.5), which ensures that trade betwixt the three (dominant) nations of the northern hemisphere will not diminish anytime soon, therefore we cannot “close the border”.

I never said we had open borders and I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration. I only have a problem with a mass, ILLEGAL immigration invasion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You are out of touch with the game plan in regard to mass immigration. I've been onto Biden's game plan even back when he was still Vice President.

Joe Biden said, 'Whites will be a Minority in US by 2017 and that's not a bad thing.' Mass Iilegal immigration is no accident. There is an agenda.

There is a difference between saying what will happen ("whites" will be a minority) and setting policies to *make* it happen. If you want to make this his "game plan" your going to need something more definitive than his understanding of demographic trends.

 

[Danthemailman]

There is a difference between saying what will happen ("whites" will be a minority) and setting policies to *make* it happen. If you want to make this his "game plan" your going to need something more definitive than his understanding of demographic trends.

Apparently you did not understand the full extent of what he was communicating. If you can't see what's really going on in America by now (especially since 2020) then you most likely never will.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Apparently you did not understand the full extent of what he was communicating. If you can't see what's really going on in America by now (especially since 2020) then you most likely you never will.

From you post:

Joe Biden said, 'Whites will be a Minority in US by 2017 and that's not a bad thing.' Mass Iilegal immigration is no accident. There is an agenda.

The first part is a quote from Biden:

Joe Biden said, 'Whites will be a Minority in US by 2017 and that's not a bad thing.'

He is clearly relaying a demographic projection that is not a value judgement. Just a simple projection based on then current demographics and trends.

The second part is your assessment: "Mass Iilegal immigration is no accident. There is an agenda." which DOES NOT FOLLOW from the Biden quote. If you want to confirm intent you are going to need something more. For example if he continued: "and were going to make it happen" or "it has been our project for decades". Get the idea? Got such a quote.

 

[Danthemailman]

And I agree brother I haven’t seen anything in your posts that I would consider to be racist. It was not your posts I was referring to and I do agree that open boarders would be an outright disaster. Furthermore Biden will never succeed in creating open boarders no matter how stupid he is congress would not collectively approve such a radical bill. I sincerely hope that he does try to pass such a ridiculous bill so that more people will see how much of an idiot he is and ruin any chance of him being re-elected.

The last thing America needs is Biden re-elected. He's done enough damage already!

 

[rjs330]

Citizens should have had a say so in it

Citizens do through their votes and representatives. Although I'm not sure what rights state governments have to limit it in their states