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Who's idea was it to disburse immigrants all over the U.S.?

Do you believe open borders are a good thing for the country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • No

    Votes: 27 73.0%
  • I can see a financial benefit

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • It's humanitarian

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • It shoves the citizens aside.

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • We are a country of immigrant's

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • The more the merrier.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • It will be a struggle for everyone.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • I don't care about it.

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • It will end in a takeover.

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • Total voters
    37

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Study your Bible.

"For YHWH your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and terrifying, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. Fear YHWH your God and serve Him." - Deuteronomy 10:17-20a

"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the Law as lawbreakers." - James 2:8-9

"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt." - Exodus 22:21

"Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a foreigner and you did not welcome Me, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' Then they will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a foreigner or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You?' Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'" - Matthew 25:41-45

So let me repeat myself: Repent and beg for mercy.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That's right!

Then the least of your problems is people on an internet forum rebuking you. You will have to give answer to He who Judges the heart and mind and knows every secret thing.

"This people draw near with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, while their hearts are far from Me, in vain do they worship Me" - Isaiah 29:13

-CryptoLutheran
 
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"For YHWH your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and terrifying, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. Fear YHWH your God and serve Him." - Deuteronomy 10:17-20a

"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the Law as lawbreakers." - James 2:8-9

"Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt." - Exodus 22:21

"Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a foreigner and you did not welcome Me, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' Then they will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a foreigner or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You?' Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'" - Matthew 25:41-45

So let me repeat myself: Repent and beg for mercy.

-CryptoLutheran
Sure Jesus said don't work, be lazy. Hold your hands out and get everything free. Fortunately, Jesus wasn't a dem.
 
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That's right!
And you’re just going to ignore that only 1 out of every 300 are actually convicted of committing a crime? Your content on condemning the vast majority of innocent people because of the actions of a very tiny percentage of them? Is that what Christ taught you?

“Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die. “But if a man is righteous and practices justice and righteousness, and does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife or approach a woman during her menstrual period— if a man does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, does not commit robbery, but gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, if he does not lend money on interest or take increase, if he keeps his hand from iniquity and executes true justice between man and man, if he walks in My statutes and My ordinances so as to deal faithfully—he is righteous and will surely live,” declares the Lord God. “Then he may have a violent son who sheds blood and who does any of these things to a brother (though he himself did not do any of these things), that is, he even eats at the mountain shrines, and defiles his neighbor’s wife, oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore a pledge, but lifts up his eyes to the idols and commits abomination, he lends money on interest and takes increase; will he live? He will not live! He has committed all these abominations, he will surely be put to death; his blood will be on his own head. “Now behold, he has a son who has observed all his father’s sins which he committed, and observing does not do likewise. He does not eat at the mountain shrines or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, or defile his neighbor’s wife, or oppress anyone, or retain a pledge, or commit robbery, but he gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with clothing, he keeps his hand from the poor, does not take interest or increase, but executes My ordinances, and walks in My statutes; he will not die for his father’s iniquity, he will surely live. As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was not good among his people, behold, he will die for his iniquity. “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live. The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18‬:‭4‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
 
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Sure Jesus said don't work, be lazy. Hold your hands out and get everything free. Fortunately, Jesus wasn't a dem.
You should also know that difference in unemployment rates between Caucasians and Hispanics is a whopping 1%. So for every 100 Caucasians there are 3 unemployed people and for every 100 Hispanics there are 4 unemployed. That means 96% of Hispanics have a job and work for a living.
 
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If you got nothing from the word it's filled with laws, boundaries, limits and adhering to. Keep choosing the easy path.
And love? Did you not find love, patience, and forgiveness in Christ’s teachings?
 
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Like most 1st world countries, our native birth rate is low. We need immigrants who are willing to work. The vast majority of whom I believe are honest, and have no criminal intent. Sure, most migrant workers will send money to relatives back in their home countries. But they'll also spend money here on the everyday necessities of living. Which helps our economy. I say, let them in. But they must be fully documented. Which means they must register, get photographed, fingerprinted, and cheek-swabbed for DNA. And we should fully support private charitable organizations that assist immigrants and help them get jobs

The far larger and thornier problem is what to do with all the undocumented immigrants who have lived, and worked here for years. And have been otherwise law abiding US residents. I've seen estimates that they number in the millions.
 
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Don’t fall into the same bigotry as this guy, this guy doesn’t not represent my race, in fact he’s a disgrace to it.
Oh I'm not, I'm so disgusted at the racism, bigotry and just sheer hatred that is masked as "Christianity" around CF, I need a break from it.
 
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Jesus wasn't a slacker or a moocher

Some would certainly have called Him that.

"The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no where to lay His head." - Matthew 8:20

It's very apparent that you haven't actually read the Bible.

You talk a lot about what Jesus would and wouldn't have done, yet this same Jesus said, "Give, and expect nothing in return."

I have heard stories of parishioners accusing their pastors of preaching "wokeness", simply because those pastors are preaching what's written in the Bible.

Your conscience is so broken by listening to political propagandists that when the word of God is quoted, you can only get defensive and angry. You can't even provide a biblical justification for your anger--you just say "Well Jesus wouldn't..." even though Jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves and fishes, even though Jesus taught us to give without receiving, even though Jesus said to love without condition.

You aren't fighting "the liberals" or "the woke mob". You're fighting against Jesus Christ.

And this is the great spiritual sickness today: Christians want nothing to do with Jesus.

What is being preached is what Dietrich Bonhoeffer called "Cheap Grace",

"Cheap grace means grace sold on the market like cheapjacks' wares. The sacraments, the forgiveness of sin, and the consolations of religion are thrown away at cut prices. Grace is represented as the Church's inexhaustible treasury, from which she showers blessings with generous hands, without asking questions or fixing limits. Grace without price; grace without cost! The essence of grace, we suppose, is that the account has been paid in advance; and, because it has been paid, everything can be had for nothing. Since the cost was infinite, the possibilities of using and spending it are infinite. What would grace be if it were not cheap?...

Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.
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Grace is free, not cheap.
When Christ calls a man, also says Bonhoeffer, "He bids him come and die".

For it is written in the Scriptures, "Your life is not your own, it was bought with a price"

You. Aren't. Lord.
Jesus owns you.
That means you are subject to Him.
He is not subject to you.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Because we are decent moral and upstanding people. You can't say that about most that enter now.
Could you really say that about the immigrants of the late 1800s and early 1900s when we had open borders? I mean people like the Italian and Irish mafias and the other gangs of New York. There are always bad apples and we do have to be on guard against terrorism but from my understanding, since 9/11 there have been more domestic terrerist attacks/shootings than imported terror. I'm not saying we should make everyone that arrives here into a citizen but the majority (vertually all) of the immigrants I have known came here either for a better education or a better paying career, or to start a business.
 
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I don't hate any of them, i dislike Mexicans. Their whole race lies, cheats and steals not to mention kills. They are the bottom of the barrel.
Wow! So noboby white/black/Asian lies or steals? I can appreciate that this has often happened in your personal experience but you shouldn't let that prejudice you to the entirety of a country in my opinion. Personal experience is valid and you should keep your guard up but I have knwn Mexican teachers, mechanics, engineers, and doctors who seemed to be honest hardworking people.
 
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You have every right to wallow in the muck of liars, thieves and murderers just as i have a right not to. You are what you associate with.
Who did Jesus hang out with?
 
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Wow! So noboby white/black/Asian lies or steals? I can appreciate that this has often happened in your personal experience but you shouldn't let that prejudice you to the entirety of a country in my opinion. Personal experience is valid and you should keep your guard up but I have knwn Mexican teachers, mechanics, engineers, and doctors who seemed to be honest hardworking people.

I don't even want to know what "ignored content" you are responding to. It would seem there are somethings worth not knowing.
 
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Jesus would never support those committing crimes. Illegals are committing crimes being illegal.. my ancestors did it legally. According to you all yours didn't.
Jesus also wouldn't condemn a person for having a different opinion. Jesus doesn't condemn. I guess you all think you are better then Jesus.
And finally. Help the citizens of the US before you protect and help those breaking the law if you must stand behind crime.
 
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