How to stop abortions

[Hammster]

Nope. Not even close.

Legally, they're different: check out the 14th Amendment sometime, embryos aren't US citizens. Also, any rights granted to an embryo come at the expense of, and are in direct opposition to and in conflict with, those of the pregnant woman without her specific consent. Further, these would be rights no adult person has, or has ever had.

Biologically, they're different: born persons are independent life forms. Embryos are entirely dependent on another person's body for every function of life.

Neither of these things are true for people with different skin colors.

-- A2SG, in fact, other than the fact that they belong to the same species, there are very, very few ways in which born persons and embryos are the same.....

You’re making my argument for me. And you don’t even see it.

 

[A2SG]

You’re making my argument for me. And you don’t even see it.

That's cuz I'm not.

You claim embryos and born persons are equal. I demonstrated clearly that they are not.

-- A2SG, sounds like just another avoidance technique....

 

[Hammster]

That's cuz I'm not.

You claim embryos and born persons are equal. I demonstrated clearly that they are not.

-- A2SG, sounds like just another avoidance technique....

No, you claimed they weren’t. And during slavery, folks claimed that blacks weren’t really people. Not good company to align yourself with.

 

[Hammster]

By the way, anyone who claims a newborn is independent has never had a newborn.

 

[A2SG]

No, you claimed they weren’t. And during slavery, folks claimed that blacks weren’t really people. Not good company to align yourself with.

They're not equal. Not legally, not biologically. These are demonstrable facts.

The same cannot be said for skin color.

-- A2SG, feel free to try and refute these facts....

 

[A2SG]

By the way, anyone who claims a newborn is independent has never had a newborn.

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What I said was: "born persons are independent life forms. Embryos are entirely dependent on another person's body for every function of life."

Newborns ARE independent life forms, as they are not entirely dependent on another person's body for every function of life.

-- A2SG, still going out of the way to miss the point there.....

 

[Divide]

Children don't usually enter school until they are at least four or five years old, so for the first four or five years of their little lives they are 'programmed' by their their parents. Armed guards to prevent 'programming' at schools? Absurd.

Most of the world protects their children with armed guards at schools. Maybe they're absurd too?!

Look, from birth to around 7 years old the children have not really learned to thnk yet. So they (sub-consciously) take in and absorb everything they see. That's the parents like you say, but it's also the babysitter, the people at the supermarket when Mom takes the baby shopping with her, the daycare workers, anyone who visits the house, absolutely everything.

Thats the first programming. So remember the dad's gay brother who stayed with them for two weeks when the kid was small? He had a gay effect from that visit. So the kid wasn't born gay, his environment did it to him.

Our subconscious is our auto pilot. When you drive your car you are looking out the windshield and driving, focused. But the moment that you start to think, you stop looking out the window and go inside to think. The sub-conscious takes over and drives your vehicle for you. So you can rive almost withut looking at the road. The sub conscious knows how to drive and the way to your destination.

So if you thik armed guards are absurd then you must not like your children, or you are childless?

 

[Divide]

You’re making my argument for me. And you don’t even see it.

I noticed it!

 

[Divide]

They're not equal. Not legally, not biologically. These are demonstrable facts.

The same cannot be said for skin color.

-- A2SG, feel free to try and refute these facts....

What are you, an abortion doctor? You sure sound like it. Your position is insanity.

There's no such thing as race except for the "Human Race". We have different cultures on earth but one race. And if an embryo is not a person, then when is the moment that it becomes a person?

 

[JustOneWay]

Most of the world protects their children with armed guards at schools. Maybe they're absurd too?!

Armed guards to stop coercion (ie. the woman didn't make that choice freely but was pressured by parents, husband, boyfriend, or the like to do so) in schools! That is what you said. Absurd! Abortions will decrease if we put armed guards in schools!

You had no idea what Paidiske was talking about since you never bothered to read her posts.

Now you are just trying to deflect.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[JustOneWay]

What are you, an abortion doctor? You sure sound like it. Your position is insanity.

There's no such thing as race except for the "Human Race". We have different cultures on earth but one race. And if an embryo is not a person, then when is the moment that it becomes a person?

non sequitur

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Armed guards to stop coercion (ie. the woman didn't make that choice freely but was pressured by parents, husband, boyfriend, or the like to do so) in schools! That is what you said. Absurd! Abortions will decrease if we put armed guards in schools!

You had no idea what Paidiske was talking about since you never bothered to read her posts.

Now you are just trying to deflect.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with the topic.

As usual your posts are off topic and nonsense.

How to stop abortions:​

Real education and support for the parents/mother.

 

[comana]

What are you, an abortion doctor? You sure sound like it. Your position is insanity.

There's no such thing as race except for the "Human Race". We have different cultures on earth but one race. And if an embryo is not a person, then when is the moment that it becomes a person?

Legally it is birth. That is when they are recorded with a name and become citizens. Prior to that is varying opinions based mostly on emotional reasoning.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Legally it is birth. That is when they are recorded with a name and become citizens. Prior to that is varying opinions based mostly on emotional reasoning.

What about science ........ I mean science is supposed to be absolute and true correct?
So science says there is no baby until the baby is born?

Doesn't the law state, if you kill a pregnant mother you are guilty of two murders?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Ever see a sign "trespassers will be shot"?


Even if your front door is left unlocked, that doesn't give anyone and everyone the right to just enter your property without permission.

-- A2SG, the analogy still works.....

So in your view, life in the womb is not innocent. It is a trespasser deserving death if unwanted.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Even if your front door is left unlocked, that doesn't give anyone and everyone the right to just enter your property without permission.

You have no problem with leaving the door open and if a child happens to walk in, open fire?

 

[NxNW]

during slavery, folks claimed that blacks weren’t really people. Not good company to align yourself with.

It was the Christians saying that.

On the other hand, you can freeze an embryo for 20 years, but you can't do that with a human being.

 

[NxNW]

There's no such thing as race except for the "Human Race". We have different cultures on earth but one race. And if an embryo is not a person, then when is the moment that it becomes a person?

Sometime after the moment when it's no longer an embryo.

 

[dogs4thewin]

What are you, an abortion doctor? You sure sound like it. Your position is insanity.

There's no such thing as race except for the "Human Race". We have different cultures on earth but one race. And if an embryo is not a person, then when is the moment that it becomes a person?

I feel that they become a person TRULY worth protecting once they would be viable outside the womb.

By truly worth protecting I mean that at that point is the minimum when it should be a chargeable offense or outright illegal to cause their death. In situations where it would be on the fence say a woman is between 15-24 weeks among then abortion should be illegal, but whether otherwise causing the child's death is chargeable should be either up to the DA or a case by case basis If the woman has entered her 3rd trimester then barring a situation where it is determined the child would not be viable I would be OK with it being treated like causing the death of anyone else charge wise because at that point then would be a decently good chance that the baby would have lived but for the act.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

It was the Christians saying that.

On the other hand, you can freeze an embryo for 20 years, but you can't do that with a human being.

You mean .... it was the democrats saying that.

What does a deep freeze have to do with anything?