What Message Does The Proud Boys Heavy Sentencing Send?

[Arcangl86]

That is exactly the point. There was a question as to the count. He could have remained neutral. He could have said I cannot verify the count one way or the other. If anyone stirred up the pot, it was Pence.

It's not up to him to determine the validity of the votes, just count them.

 

[Diamond72]

Biden did nothing to make this happen or not happen.

I know Biden was taking a nap. I am talking about was when he served on the judicial committee.

1. Confirmation Hearings: As a member of the Judiciary Committee, Biden participated in confirmation hearings for federal judges, including nominees for district courts, appellate courts, and the Supreme Court. He had the opportunity to question nominees about their qualifications, judicial philosophy, and legal views.
2. Supreme Court Nominations: One of the most significant roles of the Judiciary Committee is considering and holding hearings for Supreme Court nominees. During his time on the committee, Biden was involved in several high-profile Supreme Court nomination hearings, including the nominations of Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
3. Legislation: The Judiciary Committee also handles legislation related to legal matters, civil rights, and constitutional issues. Biden played a role in shaping and voting on legislation in these areas, which included matters like criminal justice reform, civil rights, and immigration.
4. Oversight: The Judiciary Committee exercises oversight over the Department of Justice and the federal judiciary. Biden would have been involved in committee activities related to investigating issues within the purview of these entities.
5. Legal Expertise: Biden, who has a legal background as a lawyer, provided his legal expertise and insights during committee discussions and debates on various legal and constitutional matters.
6. Bipartisan Work: During his tenure on the Judiciary Committee, Biden worked with members from both parties to address legal and constitutional issues. The committee often deals with highly contentious and partisan issues, and Biden was known for his ability to work across the aisle on certain matters.

It's important to note that Biden's time on the Senate Judiciary Committee spanned several decades, and he was involved in a wide range of legal and judicial matters during his tenure. His experience on the committee contributed to his understanding of legal and constitutional issues, which would later inform his roles as Vice President and President of the United States.

 

[Diamond72]

Are you claiming there is a "right" to murder the VP

I am claiming Pence is a traitor and he hurt himself more than Trump with what he did. The safe thing for him to do was to remain neutral and refuse to take a stand one way or the other. He had the legal right to do that.

What part of Mike Pence and the 117th Congress are "warmongers" and even if they were how does that justify a violent attack.

I am claiming that Obama and Biden are war mongers and that the united states Government is a war monger. Serving in the military helps you to get a government job. Obama had his war in Syria and Biden has his war in the Ukraine. Both of them are anti-Russian and anti-Putum. Trump and Bush got along fine with Putum. They did not escalate the war with Russia the way Obama and Biden did.

Actually it looks like Biden is Obama's puppet and he is really the one running the show making a mess out of things.

This sort of nonsense rhertoric

At least you are willing to admit to what you are doing.

 

[Diamond72]

It's not up to him to determine the validity of the votes, just count them.

That makes no sense at all. Do you want him to count invalid votes? The whole demonstration was because of Pence. They were all there because of Pence and he should be held responsible. Actually, Pence is being held responsible because of what he did. Even the people who support what he did know that he tarnished himself as a backstabbing traitor. So he really has no friends on either side of the fence. I doubt if even you trust Pence after what he has done because for a vice president, he is very low in the polls.

This is what you call a scum sucker when you feed off of the bottom like Pence is doing.

 

[Pommer]

I am not going to explain the difference between a liberal and a conservative. You are going to have to figure that tour on your own. I can tell you what chatbot says about it.

Liberal View of the Constitution:

1. Living Document: Liberals often view the Constitution as a "living document" that should adapt to changing societal needs and values. They argue that the framers intended the Constitution to be flexible and open to interpretation, allowing for the expansion of rights and government powers as circumstances evolve.
2. Broad Interpretation: Liberals tend to favor a broad interpretation of the Constitution's text, including the Bill of Rights. They believe that the Constitution should be read expansively to protect individual rights and promote social justice, even if the text itself does not explicitly address certain issues.
3. Emphasis on Equal Protection: Liberals emphasize the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and argue that it should be used to combat discrimination and promote equality, particularly in areas such as civil rights, gender equality, and LGBTQ+ rights.
4. Government as a Positive Force: Liberals often see a more active role for the government in addressing societal problems, such as healthcare, education, and environmental protection. They argue that the Constitution should be interpreted to empower the government to address these issues.

Conservative View of the Constitution:

1. Originalism and Textualism: Conservatives often adhere to originalism and textualism, which means interpreting the Constitution based on its original intent or the plain meaning of the text. They argue that the Constitution should be understood as it was at the time of its adoption.
2. Limited Government: Conservatives generally advocate for a limited role of the federal government and emphasize states' rights. They believe that the Constitution's primary purpose is to restrict government power and protect individual liberties.
3. Second Amendment: Conservatives tend to strongly support the Second Amendment and the individual right to bear arms, arguing that it is a fundamental constitutional right.
4. Property Rights and Economic Freedom: Conservatives often stress the protection of property rights and economic freedom, interpreting the Constitution in a way that limits government interference in the economy.
5. Traditional Values: Some conservatives argue that the Constitution should be interpreted in line with traditional moral and social values, particularly in areas like marriage, family, and religious freedom.

It's essential to recognize that not all liberals or conservatives hold the same views on these issues, and there are many shades of opinion within each ideology. Additionally, legal scholars and judges may have varying approaches to constitutional interpretation, and court decisions can shape the evolution of constitutional law over time.

You should oughta start a thread with this puppy, it’d be a great one.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am claiming Pence is a traitor and he hurt himself more than Trump with what he did. The safe thing for him to do was to remain neutral and refuse to take a stand one way or the other. He had the legal right to do that.

Pence performed his duties as proscribed by law and his oath. He is not a traitor. And I don't care how much he hurt his political future with the insurrectionist faction. I don't want him to be president anyway.

I am claiming that Obama and Biden are war mongers and that the united states Government is a war monger. Serving in the military helps you to get a government job. Obama had his war in Syria and Biden has his war in the Ukraine. Both of them are anti-Russian and anti-Putum. Trump and Bush got along fine with Putum. They did not escalate the war with Russia the way Obama and Biden did.

Actually it looks like Biden is Obama's puppet and he is really the one running the show making a mess out of things.

Neither Biden nor Obama was in office when the Proud Boys attacked the seat of government. Take this to a different thread.

 

[FireDragon76]

Apparently, you believe in a different constitution than the one I believe in. That is exactly what Pence did not do is defend the Constitution. He violated the oath he took. They did not need Pence to do what he did. They could have done it without him. If anyone is to blame for what happened that day, it was Pence.

This belongs in "conspiracy theory". What you are arguing is not based on facts.

 

[wing2000]

That is exactly the point. There was a question as to the count. He could have remained neutral. He could have said I cannot verify the count one way or the other. If anyone stirred up the pot, it was Pence.

“The only responsibility and power of the Vice President under the Constitution is to faithfully count the electoral college votes as they have been cast,”

There was no question regarding the electoral college votes. All 50 states had certified the vote.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That is exactly the point. There was a question as to the count.

There was not. States had submitted their slates of electors.

Do you want him to count invalid votes?

No, I'm glad he was not presented with the fraudulent electors, who were not duly elected and ratified by the states.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I know Biden was taking a nap. I am talking about was when he served on the judicial committee.

1. Confirmation Hearings:
2. Supreme Court Nominations:
3. Legislation:
4. Oversight:

These are examples of Biden performing his constitutional duties. Somehow your mind has twisted 'obeying the constitution' to mean 'turning it to toilet paper'.

 

[Nithavela]

The intent is to prevent this from happening again. They wanted to fight the charges and now they are sentenced to twice as much time as they were offered in a plea deal.

That's nothing unusual in the US court system. When people demand their day in court, they are usually punished for their temerity if found guilty.

 

[Diamond72]

That's nothing unusual in the US court system. When people demand their day in court, they are usually punished for their temerity if found guilty.

That is unconstitutional.

 

[Diamond72]

Somehow your mind has twisted 'obeying the constitution' to mean 'turning it to toilet paper'.

People are ALWAYS guilty of what they accuse others. I see it every day on this forum.

 

[JustOneWay]

That is unconstitutional.

Please provide the wording in the Constitution which makes the statement unconstitional.

 

[Diamond72]

There was not. States had submitted their slates of electors.

Pence is like a rat jumping off of a sinking ship. The bottom line is that he is at the bottom of the approval rating. He was disloyal to Trump and his own administration. He shot himself in the foot or stabbed himself in the back. He did not have to take a stand one way or the other. He could have made the choice to be neutral. Biden would have been elected with or without the help he got from Pence.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Pence is like a rat jumping off of a sinking ship.

Sadly, the Trump Train is chugging along strong. But Pence rightly did not go along with the corrupt suggestions to subvert the electoral count and put the peaceful transfer of power at risk.

 

[JustOneWay]

Pence is like a rat jumping off of a sinking ship. The bottom line is that he is at the bottom of the approval rating. He was disloyal to Trump and his own administration. He shot himself in the foot or stabbed himself in the back. He did not have to take a stand one way or the other. He could have made the choice to be neutral. Biden would have been elected with or without the help he got from Pence.

Disloyal to trump and loyal to the Constitution. He did the right thing for once.

He had to take a stand or he would have not fulfilled his Constitutional obligation.

At this point this should be common knowledge.

 

[Diamond72]

Sadly, the Trump Train is chugging along strong.

What is sad is the miserable state of the political system. Where people have to lie, cheat and steal to get elected. Or the fact that hanging Chads determines the outcome of a presidential election. But the nature of the beast is that the elections are so close.

I remember when my sister and I would fight over the last piece of cake. So my mom would say one person cuts it in half and the other person decides which half they want. I divided the cake and in my mind they were exact. My sister wanted the bigger peice and maybe in her mind she could see a difference. But for me they were exactly the same and it did not matter which one she wanted.

 

[JustOneWay]

I remember when my sister and I would fight over the last piece of cake. So my mom would say one person cuts it in half and the other person decides which half they want. I divided the cake and in my mind they were exact. My sister wanted the bigger peice and maybe in her mind she could see a difference. But for me they were exactly the same and it did not matter which one she wanted.

I like the analogy. It demonstrates that politicians today (mostly) are acting like children.

 

[Diamond72]

He had to take a stand or he would have not fulfilled his Constitutional obligation.

So if the constitution is being violated, then he should not make that announcement.
He clearly ended his political career when he did what he did.

People predicted that after Trump, Pence could have been president. He ended the chance of that ever happening.