I am your healer

[trophy33]

His compassion touches them if we are willing to bring it and often this includes healing.

I have seen poor people willing to be healed, but they were not.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I have seen poor people willing to be healed, but they were not.

Have you seen anyone healed ???

 

[Carl Emerson]

We can't do what Jesus did. He was God and man and had the Holy Spirit without measure. He didn't need faith to do the miracles. He is God, who created the universe and everything in the world. He is well able to heal all who come to Him in a way that would be impossible for us, because we are just human. So to imply that we can do exactly what Jesus was able to do, is to commit heresy

What happened to John 14:12

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What happened to John 14:12

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

If I had a divine nature along with my human nature, then I could do the works that Jesus did, and even greater works. I would love to have a gift of healing that I could go into a children's cancer ward and heal every child in there.

Either we elevate ourselves to the point where we believe that we are little gods who can be just like Jesus, or we devalue Jesus into just a man empowered by the Holy Spirit (which is the heresy of Socinianism).

The fact is that no one is doing the same works that Jesus did. It would be all over the news if they did. So the actual evidence does not back up the claim of some who say they can be exactly like Jesus in ministry. Jesus is the only Person who is God and man. He has two natures, and had them the moment He was born. He never stopped being God. That is why we can't be exactly like Jesus and do what He did.

But I agree that we could do more through the power of the Holy Spirit than we we are doing at present, but how we get to that point, I have no way of knowing. I can only trust the Lord that what I am doing right now is what He wants me to do. It is important that I am faithful in the small church I am with at present, and that is all I can expect.

 

[Guojing]

If I had a divine nature along with my human nature, then I could do the works that Jesus did, and even greater works. I would love to have a gift of healing that I could go into a children's cancer ward and heal every child in there.

Either we elevate ourselves to the point where we believe that we are little gods who can be just like Jesus, or we devalue Jesus into just a man empowered by the Holy Spirit (which is the heresy of Socinianism).

The fact is that no one is doing the same works that Jesus did. It would be all over the news if they did. So the actual evidence does not back up the claim of some who say they can be exactly like Jesus in ministry. Jesus is the only Person who is God and man. He has two natures, and had them the moment He was born. He never stopped being God. That is why we can't be exactly like Jesus and do what He did.

But I agree that we could do more through the power of the Holy Spirit than we we are doing at present, but how we get to that point, I have no way of knowing. I can only trust the Lord that what I am doing right now is what He wants me to do. It is important that I am faithful in the small church I am with at present, and that is all I can expect.

Just wait until the Tribulation begins, once God resumes his dealing with Israel (Romans 11:25-26), their signs and wonders will naturally be back as well.

But it will be a double edge sword when those signs make a comeback (Matthew 24:24).

 

[trophy33]

Have you seen anyone healed ???

From subjective things (like pain), and for a time, yes.

Not from objectively measurable things like injuries, multiple sclerosis, CVD, bad eyesight and similar.

So far I have seen nothing different from placebo effect or from suggestion.

 

[Guojing]

From subjective things (like pain), and for a time, yes.

Not from objectively measurable things like injuries, multiple sclerosis, CVD, bad eyesight and similar.

So far I have seen nothing different from placebo effect or from suggestion.

Nowadays most healings in churches are for.back pains, various pains, mostly psychosomatic healings

 

[trophy33]

Nowadays most healings in churches are for.back pains, various pains, mostly psychosomatic healings

Sadly.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If I had a divine nature along with my human nature, then I could do the works that Jesus did, and even greater works. I would love to have a gift of healing that I could go into a children's cancer ward and heal every child in there.

Either we elevate ourselves to the point where we believe that we are little gods who can be just like Jesus, or we devalue Jesus into just a man empowered by the Holy Spirit (which is the heresy of Socinianism).

The fact is that no one is doing the same works that Jesus did. It would be all over the news if they did. So the actual evidence does not back up the claim of some who say they can be exactly like Jesus in ministry. Jesus is the only Person who is God and man. He has two natures, and had them the moment He was born. He never stopped being God. That is why we can't be exactly like Jesus and do what He did.

But I agree that we could do more through the power of the Holy Spirit than we we are doing at present, but how we get to that point, I have no way of knowing. I can only trust the Lord that what I am doing right now is what He wants me to do. It is important that I am faithful in the small church I am with at present, and that is all I can expect.

So what do you think Jesus was saying?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Sadly.

Seeing that the promises of God are yea and amen and He doesn't lie, perhaps God is not promising Christian believers guaranteed divine healing.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So what do you think Jesus was saying?

See Is it really possible for Christians to do greater works than Jesus? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sadly.

You might like to read my post regarding recent medical evidence for a healing from Cancer on this page...

Tumours in the thyroid.

Prayer from myself and a Pastor.

Admission to hospital.

Pre op biopsy confirmed Malignancy.

Thyroid removed surgically.

Post op biopsy - no trace of cancer.

Hospital apologises for operating -never seen such a thing in 2000 opeations.

Jesus's Ministry

Thanks for the update. I have read numerous testimonies of miraculous healings. I went back later using Google to try to find them again and they were gone. A Jewish man living in a kibbutz in the Golan Heights with his wife was paralyzed from the waist down during back surgery. He used to...

www.christianforums.com

 

[trophy33]

You might like to read my post regarding recent medical evidence for a healing from Cancer on this page...

Tumours in the thyroid.

Prayer from myself and a Pastor.

Admission to hospital.

Pre op biopsy confirmed Malignancy.

Thyroid removed surgically.

Post op biopsy - no trace of cancer.

Hospital apologises for operating -never seen such a thing in 2000 opeations.

Jesus's Ministry

Thanks for the update. I have read numerous testimonies of miraculous healings. I went back later using Google to try to find them again and they were gone. A Jewish man living in a kibbutz in the Golan Heights with his wife was paralyzed from the waist down during back surgery. He used to...

www.christianforums.com

Even if true and some individual somewhere was healed miraculously, it would be still very rare. We do not see it happening commonly.

Its very similar to UFO. Only few people claim they saw it and its mostly something natural.

Edit: on which document "hospital apologises - never seen such a thing in 2000 operations"? The last document only says that surgery was unnecessary.

 

[NBB]

i don't know what bible people are reading, God does stuff even today I refuse to believe and is not biblical, that God somehow wants to intervene less than before in people lives.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

i don't know what bible people are reading, God does stuff even today I refuse to believe and is not biblical, that God somehow wants to intervene less than before in people lives.

If the interpretation of the healing Scriptures is what you believe it to be, then you should be seeing people instantly and totally healed of the whole range of minor and serious medical conditions on a routine basis through the laying on of hands and prayer. You should not have anyone with heart disease, cancer, cerebral palsy, arthritis, lameness, blindness or deafness in your church fellowship.

Furthermore, you should not have had any cases of Covid where people have become seriously ill or died. Your people should have avoided Covid without having to be vaccinated.

If God doesn't lie and His promises are yea and amen, then there has to be something basically wrong with the interpretation of the healing verses as applied to the modern church.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Even if true and some individual somewhere was healed miraculously, it would be still very rare. We do not see it happening commonly.

Its very similar to UFO. Only few people claim they saw it and its mostly something natural.

Edit: on which document "hospital apologises - never seen such a thing in 2000 operations"? The last document only says that surgery was unnecessary.

That was a comment the surgeon made verbally...

 

[trophy33]

That was a comment the surgeon made verbally...

If it was discovered that the hospital made error with their pre-surgery diagnosis (for example mistaking two different persons lab tests), would it entitle the patient to sue them for a lot of money or would this bad publicity harm them financially?

In other words, would the hospital be financially motivated to support your belief in the miracle, instead?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

That was a comment the surgeon made verbally...

My point is that God heals on a sovereign basis when He chooses to, and your situation shows that without a doubt. But once in a blue moon is not the routine on demand healing that some claim, but do not achieve at all.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If this is what you experience where you live, OK then.

However, I still see nothing sad about saying that miracles are rare and that its more practical to take care of our health naturally.

The sad part is allowing our attitudes to frustrate what He delights to do.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If it was discovered that the hospital made error with their pre-surgery diagnosis (for example mistaking two different persons lab tests), would it entitle the patient to sue them for a lot of money or would this bad publicity harm them financially?

In other words, would the hospital be financially motivated to support your belief in the miracle, instead?

Suing is not big in our culture, the patient was a serious believer who was just delighted to testify to God's goodness.