How does a Christian serve as a king and a priest on the earth?

[Sorn]

Which language(s) a people may/may not speak in current times is not the question but the languages they spoke/read/understood when the NT was being lived and written.

Well both my parents come from different countries to the one I grew up in & while I can speak my mothers language, which is not english, fairly well, i am a very poor speaker of my dad's language, even with all of todays' language resources available to me, yet clearly I have a heritage of his nationality too.
That Quora post has multiples replies, all essentially agreeing with the premise that not every Jew speaks Hebrew, especially if they don't live in Israel. If God wanted to give the visions of Revelation to a greek speaking Jew, thats His choice.

 

[Der Alte]

Well both my parents come from different countries to the one I grew up in & while I can speak my mothers language, which is not english, fairly well, i am a very poor speaker of my dad's language, even with all of todays' language resources available to me, yet clearly I have a heritage of his nationality too.
That Quora post has multiples replies, all essentially agreeing with the premise that not every Jew speaks Hebrew, especially if they don't live in Israel. If God wanted to give the visions of Revelation to a greek speaking Jew, thats His choice.

That is merely supposition. John a Jew a prisoner on Patmos was supposedly writing to 7 Jewish synagogues, which he calls churches, never synagogues, in Asia, modern Turkey. His mother language was Hebrew as was theirs. He and they would only know Greek as a second language. You say multiples replies, "all essentially agreeing with the premise that not every Jew speaks Hebrew, especially if they don't live in Israel." That is present tense again which is not really relevant. I have seen nothing that convinces me that Revelation was written to Jews.

 

[Sorn]

I have seen nothing that convinces me that Revelation was written to Jews.

Well watch the video on the 7 churches I posted earlier, its on post#8. Anyway, as a dispensation pre-tribber, currently, I believe the church will be raptured before the tribulation starts, God will then turn His attention to Israel again and engage with them according to the law of Moses and the promises He made to Abraham, in short to have Israel become the worlds dominant nation with Jesus as its King and high priest.
After the rapture, there probably wont be any Christians around, just Jews that God saves and people who convert to Judaism. Jesus returns as the Jewish Messiah and reigns in that capacity for 1000 years.

 

[Der Alte]

Well watch the video on the 7 churches I posted earlier, its on post#8. Anyway, as a dispensation pre-tribber, currently, I believe the church will be raptured before the tribulation starts, God will then turn His attention to Israel again and engage with them according to the law of Moses and the promises He made to Abraham, in short to have Israel become the worlds dominant nation with Jesus as its King and high priest.
After the rapture, there probably wont be any Christians around, just Jews that God saves and people who convert to Judaism. Jesus returns as the Jewish Messiah and reigns in that capacity for 1000 years.

I don't usually do links but I thought I would give it a look. I watched about 3-4 minutes I saw someone I assume to be a "scholar" giving his unsupported opinion.

 

[Sorn]

I don't usually do links but I thought I would give it a look. I watched about 3-4 minutes I saw someone I assume to be a "scholar" giving his unsupported opinion.

Yes he is a theologian, has a phd. He supports his opinions with bible passages. Seems good to me.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

The question in the OP is not about "dispensationalism".

Jesus constantly reminded those around him what the OT itself kept stating anyway: that Hebrew and gentile believers always were on a level playing field.

The answer to "how" is by supplicating.

Akita in post 17 gave this answer. Mr M also keeps giving it. Indeed it is explicit in the OP all along.

 

[Sorn]

The question in the OP is not about "dispensationalism".

Jesus constantly reminded those around him what the OT itself kept stating anyway: that Hebrew and gentile believers always were on a level playing field.

The answer to "how" is by supplicating.

Akita in post 17 gave this answer. Mr M also keeps giving it. Indeed it is explicit in the OP all along.

The OT was about the Jews & their relationship to God via the Covenant given to Abraham and the Law of Moses. Gentiles were NEVER part of the picture in the OT, unless they became Jews they were not saved.

However, in the NT, AFTER the Jews rejected Jesus, their Messiah, God put the Jews aside and turned to the gentiles and via the apostle to the Gentile, Paul, extended salvation to them by grace through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross.

After the rapture when God takes the church out of the world, He will once again turn His attention to the Jews to fully fulfill all the promises He made to Abraham. Jesus will return, the Jews will recognize Him as their Messiah & Christ will reign as the JEWISH King & High priest for 1000 years over a Jewish Kingdom. During this time Israel will be the worlds dominant nation.

 

[RileyG]

What do you mean by "priest"?

 

[OldAbramBrown]

What do you mean by "priest"?

Someone who supplicates through some sacrifice (in our case, honouring the spirit of Christ)

 

[Zao is life]

1 Peter 2:
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you
out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not
obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

No offense intended, but if the post #1 study were read,
the passages from the scriptures lay out expected behavior
for both priests and kings that all believers should apply to their walk.
The Millennial Kingdom is completely off topic.
In grace and truth,
James
Christian ministry is founded upon the order of Melchizedek.
Much has been said about lineage and succession, as well as covenants associated with the priesthood of Aaron.
Not much has been said about "the order of", which pertains to how the priesthood functioned day to day,
which was established not only in the Law, but also by David at the time he received the vision for the Temple.
This system was still in place at the time of John's birth.

Luke 1:8 So it was, that while he was serving as priest before God in the order of his division.

This continuity was maintained by Ezra/Nehemiah.

Ezra 3:10 When the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the Lord, the priests stood in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites, the sons of Asaph, with cymbals, to praise the Lord, according to the ordinance of David king of Israel.

Ezra 6:18 They assigned the priests to their divisions and the Levites to their divisions, over the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the Book of Moses.

Nehemiah 12:45 Both the singers and the gatekeepers kept the charge of their God and the charge of the purification, according to the command of David and Solomon his son. 46 For in the days of David and Asaph of old there were chiefs of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving to God.

The ordinances of David facilitated the transition to the Temple centered worship, along with the foreshadowing of the church's role of offering "the sacrifice of praise". The order of the priesthood was established by divisions, or courses, 24 in all.
This ordering was centered on Temple worship, where the people were required to make pilgrimage to where the Lord "placed His Name".
So what do we find in regards to the "order of Melchizedek".

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him.

Melchizedek went out to meet Abram! Until the Lord fulfilled His promises to A, I, and J by taking Israel out of Egypt and established His covenant with them, there was to our knowledge limited contact between the Lord, and a chosen few.

How do we see this order of Melchizedek, of a priesthood that goes out to meet the people, being played out on earth in Christ?

Matthew 28:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen.

And yet, in the Millennial kingdom, the people of all the nations that remain are required to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem annually for the Great feast! Why?
Because when He sent his messengers to them, they did not answer.

What is being overlooked is; why God would send His priest to Abram at this particular time?
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God,
who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him.

Consider what this blessing would mean for a man who was committed to walking in righteousness before God. He felt that his hand had been forced by the abduction of Lot, but his heart would surely have been heavy after having participated in a slaughter. The joy of victory would have been tempered by the burden of shedding blood. For the priest of the Most High to come to him and bless him, would have given him the peace of mind he needed, to know that he remained in God's favor.

"the order of" in the Hebrew dibra is also translated estate and cause.

Job 5:8 But as for me, I would seek God,
And to God I would commit my cause—

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men,
that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they are beasts.

A man without the spirit of God is merely a beast. Worse, if he receives power from the darkness, he is Satan's beast!
Hebrews 7 informs us that the cause and estate of Melchizedek is expressed through his name.
2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated king of righteousness,
and then also king of Salem, meaning king of peace,

Abram's actions were justified by the blessing of righteousness and peace.
The kingdom of heaven under the New Covenant is righteousness and peace,
along with joy of the Holy Spirit. Romans 14:17

And yes, it is controversial, because most Christians know diddly squat about
"the order of Melchizedek".

Yes. Hebrews 7:9-28 explains it so well.

Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made in the law also.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes, Israel, ie not the gentiles or Christians, but people living under the law of Moses.

There is one Olive Tree, comprised of both natural branches and wild branches grafted onto it.

Christ has summed up Israel in HImself, and it is in Himself that anyone, whether Jew or Gentile, is of Israel.

Non-believing Jews are Israelites, and God has not and will not forsake them for the sake of their fathers.

But they are excluded from the Covenant which is in Messiah Jesus, and therefore estranged from God and in need of the same life-saving grace which the unbelieving Gentiles need.

Romans 11:32, God consigned all to disobedience, for all are guilty under the Law; in order that God, through the Gospel, should have mercy on all.

Those who know the Law are guilty for violating it; and those who did not know the Law are guilty for God still was present in His creation and yet they did receive Him. All, therefore, both Jew and Gentile, have sinned and fallen short; and God by His grace, justifies all--both Jew and Gentile--through faith on Christ's account. For the Gospel is what? It is the power of God to save all who believe, Jew and Gentile; for by this Gospel is the righteousness of God, by which He renders the unrighteous righteous through faith.

There is, therefore, under the Law no difference: Jew and Gentile are guilty sinners. Everyone is a sinner. God does not play favorites.
There is, therefore, only one Gospel, for Jew and Gentile, by which there is forgiveness, reconciliation, and healing, and the taking of the two (Jew and Gentile) and uniting them together into one new people--the wall of division has been destroyed. And in Christ there is only one new people, the people of Covenant through the Messiah, by His broken body and shed blood for all.

There is, therefore, Israel; but it is not an Israel by land and location; but an Israel by faith. There is a Jerusalem, but not an earthly Jerusalem but a heavenly Jerusalem.

The Prophets did look, and behold, to see the nations come to Mt. Zion, to Jerusalem. This is Christ.
The Prophets did look, and behold, to see the earth filled with the glory of God, and justice flow like a river. And it is from the Cross, the Tree of Life, from which the leaves of healing for the nations come, and the water of life as a stream flows and of which none shall ever again thirst.

In the same way that, in the beginning, God declared all things good; in spite of the Fall God has never turned His back on us, nor forsaken His creation. Neither has He turned His back nor forsaken Jacob's offspring. God did not abandon the Gentiles when He chose the children of Israel to be the bearers of His Covenant, but the Gentiles were always to be included

"In that day there will be an altar to YHWH in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to YHWH at its border. It will be a sign and a witness to YHWH of hosts in the land of Egypt. When they cry to YHWH because of oppressors, He will send them a Savior and Defender, and will deliver them. And YHWH will make Himself known to the Egyptians, and the Egyptians will know YHWH in that day and worship with sacrifice and offering, and they will make vows to YHWH and perform them. And YHWH will strike Egypt, striking and healing, and they will return to YHWH, and He will listen to their pleas and heal them.

In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and Assyria will come into Egypt, and Egypt into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.

In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom YHWH of hosts has blessed, saying, 'Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance." - Isaiah 19:19-25

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Guojing]

Israel's destiny is to inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).

The Body of Christ will be reigning in the heavens (Ephesians 1:3).

So no, none of us will be kings and priests on Earth.

 

[parousia70]

Israel's destiny is to inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).

The Body of Christ will be reigning in the heavens (Ephesians 1:3).

So no, none of us will be kings and priests on Earth.

So Abraham and the OT Jewish patriarchs had a mistaken, misplaced hope/desire for a "better, Heavenly country" that God has prepared for them but never intended to fulfill for them?:

Hebrews 11:8-16
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

 

[Guojing]

So Abraham and the OT Jewish patriarchs had a mistaken, misplaced hope/desire for a "better, Heavenly country" that God has prepared for them but never intended to fulfill for them?:

Hebrews 11:8-16
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

The Millennial kingdom is a heaven on Earth for Israel. Remember the Lord's prayer?

 

[Sorn]

So Abraham and the OT Jewish patriarchs had a mistaken, misplaced hope/desire for a "better, Heavenly country" that God has prepared for them but never intended to fulfill for them?:

Hebrews 11:10
10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Sounds like the New Jerusalem that comes out of Heaven at the end of the Millennium

 

[Der Alte]

@Mr. M How does a Christian serve as a king and priest on the earth?​

Philippians 2:6-8​

(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought being equal with God was not something to use to his own advantage:​

(7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:​

(8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.​

 

[OldAbramBrown]

The Millennial kingdom is a heaven on Earth for Israel. Remember the Lord's prayer?

The Lord's Prayer is not about any millenium nor about any "kingdom that is of the earth". Its existence is in exchanging spiritual gifts. Are you a functional cessationist / new apostolic / vetoer (most "charismatics" are)?

 

[Guojing]

The Lord's Prayer is not about any millenium nor about any "kingdom that is of the earth". Its existence is in exchanging spiritual gifts. Are you a functional cessationist / new apostolic / vetoer (most "charismatics" are)?

Jesus coming marked the 69th week of Daniel, to fulfill the prophecy given to King David in 2 Samuel 7.

You are unaware of that?

If not, Luke 1 should make it clear

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[parousia70]

Sounds like the New Jerusalem that comes out of Heaven at the end of the Millennium

I see... so the Christians aren't there then, in that City? Just the Jews?

The Millennial kingdom is a heaven on Earth for Israel. Remember the Lord's prayer?

So the New Jerusalem City comes down from heaven at the start of the Millennium?

 

[Guojing]

So the New Jerusalem City comes down from heaven at the start of the Millennium?

Yes, Zechariah 8, God promised Israel he will live with them in Jerusalem.

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

4 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.

5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;

8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
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So yes, wherever he is, that is heaven for the nation of Israel. The term "my people" in Scripture always refers to Israel (Matthew 1:21)