Florida ‘effectively’ bans Advanced Placement Psychology course due to curriculum's discussion of gender and sexual orientation

[Truth7t7]

Do you speak any foreign language? Many have gender as an integral part and it is NOT only based on sex. In most dogs have the male gender.

Heck even in English ships and cars are female in gender.

A Complete Distraction

 

[Truth7t7]

German is a fusional language with a moderate degree of inflection, with three grammatical genders

Examples:
Masculine: 'the dog' der Hund
Feminine: 'the cat' die Katze
Neuter: 'the girl' das Mädchen

What does the German language have to do with the fact there are two sexes and genders, (Adam/Male) and (Eve/Female)

 

[Always in His Presence]

German is a fusional language with a moderate degree of inflection, with three grammatical genders

Examples:
Masculine: 'the dog' der Hund
Feminine: 'the cat' die Katze
Neuter: 'the girl' das Mädchen

There is zero, not one language that is based on any other gender than male or female. Neutral is no gender

Thank you for demonstrating a very simple truth.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Neutral is no gender

Do girls have no gender?

 

[atpollard]

And Latin and Greek. Significant for a Christian site.

HIS, HER, THEIR ...

• HIS is male.
• HER is female.
• What is the gender of "their"?

Are "they" male or female?
In English, the neuter third person "THEIR" is still based on an assumption of two "sexes" with no specification as to which of the two "sexes" "THEY" are. It has not carried an implied connotation that THEY were NEITHER male nor female.

Thus while the point of the existence of a neuter grammatical state in many languages is correct, it does not contradict the underlying assumption that each member of THEY are either male or female. Language is not based on Fungi with multiple genders (sexes). "Word genders" are not needed to describe people who are neither male nor female [even as such a genetic aberration does exist, our language is not constructed around it].

Thus, the grammatical responses, while correct, miss the original point being made about language reflecting a binary biological reality.

 

[atpollard]

Neuter: 'the girl' das Mädchen

Why are "the girls" die Mädchen (feminine)?

 

[Truth7t7]

Do girls have no gender?

Yes they have a gender, girls are born "Female" and boys are born "Male"

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why are "the girls" die Mädchen (feminine)?

They are not. They are plural.

Or I might ask, why are 'the men' die Männer (feminine)?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes they have a gender, girls are born "Female" and boys are born "Male"

Right, so I think most of us are coming around to the consensus that grammatical gender is not based on sex, which was keith99's original point. Every cat in Germany is grammatically feminine, regardless of its sex. Likewise, every girl is grammatically neither masculine nor feminine. So perhaps we can drop this grammatical discussion, which is both irrelevant and off-topic.

Once again. The topic is that Florida's ban of any discussion of gender (even to assert there are only two) has effectively banned AP Psychology, which has not changed its gender/sex instructional requirements in any way in the past 30 years.

 

[Truth7t7]

HIS, HER, THEIR ...

• HIS is male.
• HER is female.
• What is the gender of "their"?

I would request that you use the pronouns they, them, their, or you could be arrested and fined?

Daily Express US​

Michigan residents face five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for using wrong pronouns​

Story by Jacob Paul • 1mo

Michigan residents could be slapped with a five-year prison sentence or a whopping $10,000 fine for calling someone their nonpreferred gender pronoun under a new bill.

 

[Truth7t7]

Right, so I think most of us are coming around to the consensus that grammatical gender is not based on sex

I don't have a concensus with you, I don't care what flaws in German grammar there are, Sex/Gender are the same, there are two, male/female, Adam/Eve

Perhaps the Germans were hanging out at October Fest for the entire month while they defined their grammar, a possibility to consider?

75% of Americans believe there are two genders, male/female, only 18% disagree, America isn't buying the woke agenda, it's that simple

 

[essentialsaltes]

Once again. The topic is that Florida's ban of any discussion of gender (even to assert there are only two) has effectively banned AP Psychology, which has not changed its gender/sex instructional requirements in any way in the past 30 years.

 

[Always in His Presence]

German is a fusional language with a moderate degree of inflection, with three grammatical genders

Examples:
Masculine: 'the dog' der Hund
Feminine: 'the cat' die Katze
Neuter: 'the girl' das Mädchen

you are the one who said it was Neuter which is by definition:
neuter

noo͞′tər, nyoo͞′-

adjective​

1. Neither masculine nor feminine in gender.

Do girls have no gender?

You tell me

 

[Always in His Presence]

Once again. The topic is that Florida's ban of any discussion of gender (even to assert there are only two) has effectively banned AP Psychology, which has not changed its gender/sex instructional requirements in any way in the past 30 years.

Which is it? A ban or effectively a ban. And why, as has been shown in a number of posts, is this anything more than a manufactured problem?

 

[atpollard]

which has not changed its gender/sex instructional requirements in any way in the past 30 years.

Given the changes in the field of Psychology in the last 30 years, has the AP Psychology curriculum really not changed since 1993 or is that hyperbole?

(in 1985, when I took Intro to Psych in College, it was still a mental illness.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Which is it? A ban or effectively a ban.

The law doesn't explicitly ban AP Psychology by name. But the state has explicitly asserted that the AP Psych class material violates the law. So as far as Florida is concerned, it is a ban.

And why, as has been shown in a number of posts, is this anything more than a manufactured problem?

Certainly Florida's law is a solution to a manufactured problem. The AP Psychology class has been offered in this same form for 30 years in the state. As far as I know, no one has complained about its gender/sex content harming or upsetting any children. But removing the AP Psychology class from the entire state is harming thousands of children's educations, apparently for no reason. That is a problem.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Yes they have a gender, girls are born "Female" and boys are born "Male"

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Who wants your private parts, your children's private parts and other children's private parts publicly discussed? Wasn't this the motive of the religious leaders in starting this?

 

[Always in His Presence]

The law doesn't explicitly ban AP Psychology by name. But the state has explicitly asserted that the AP Psych class material violates the law. So as far as Florida is concerned, it is a ban.


Certainly Florida's law is a solution to a manufactured problem. The AP Psychology class has been offered in this same form for 30 years in the state. As far as I know, no one has complained about its gender/sex content harming or upsetting any children. But removing the AP Psychology class from the entire state is harming thousands of children's educations, apparently for no reason. That is a problem.

The actions you describe above are what is debatable

 

[rjs330]

Then you're not looking. I presented some, there's plenty more where that came from.

Assuming you want to learn, that is.

Nope I've read all of that. There is no scientific evidence for it.

Genitalia may be determined by biology, but gender identity isn't.

Right cause identity is subjective and not based on reality. Therefore I can identify as a black female. Because I don't have to base it on anything.

Yeah, they do. Plenty of it. You just have to read it.

Read it. No scientific evidence.

As we were discussing, male on one end, female on the other. Were you unclear on that?

Right biological male and biological female correct?

So nothing subjective is real? Is that your worldview?

Do you have beliefs, of any sort? Are those beliefs real?

You can believe anything you want correct. The belief you have might be real. I might have a sincerely belief the world is flat. That does not mean the world is flat. I may sincerely believe I am a black female but that belief does not mean I am really a black female. People with anorexia have a sincere belief. That doesn't mean they are correct. People with body integrity disorder sincerely believe they need to have a limb removed. That doesn't mean they actually need a limb removed.

People who believe they are the opposite sex have dysphoria which means they have a disorder to believe in something that is not real. They are NOT the opposite sex.

Male and female roles and traits aren't real? News to me, I've experienced them all my life.

Gender roles are not the same thing as being the opposite sex. Those may be societal norms or expectations. But that has nothing to do with your actual gender. I'm sure we could go back in history and show how gender roles and expectations have changed. But the genders haven't.

Just because something is subjective, that doesn't mean it's a conscious choice.

If you're a conservative Republican, can you simply choose to be a liberal Democrat, and suddenly, you are one? If you're a Catholic, can you choose to be a Hindu?

Ask yourself...can you choose to be a different gender than you've already decided you are?

I was born a male. I didn't choose. I didn't decide. That's the problem you are dealing with. Someone with a mental health disorder who thinks they are something they are not. That's the problem.

Good for you. But, so you know, not everyone has the same experiences you have. For some people, it isn't so simple.

Because they have a mental health disorder. Some people think they are a red tailed hawk. Or recently a man paid a lot of money for a costume to become a dog cause he thinks he is one.

But just cause you have mental health problems it does not mean you are correct. If you have hallucinations you sincerely believe they are real. But you are the only one who sees and hears them. They are not real because of your mental health disorder. REAL trans people have a serious mental health disorder. It's not just a simple identity that you make it out to be. It's not normal. It's a serious problem.

I've tried. You don't seem interested in reading the links I've provided.

It should be easy for you then to quote the links where and who made the discovery and the scientific research that discovered it.

Yup.

Nope

But hey, feel free to provide the stuff you've been reading, show me where all the research I've read has got it wrong. Let's compare notes!

Hey let's look at one shall we?

Gender and health

Gender and health

www.who.int

Now let's look at the word twisting they use.

Here's from the article.

*Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time."

See what they did there? They associated gender with sex. Just like I said. You can define gender without biological sex as the basis. It's not separate despite the attempts to make it so.

Let's go on.

"Gender identity refers to a person’s deeply felt, internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond to the person’s physiology or designated sex at birth."

They are talking about feelings. Feelings that may not correspond with someone's sex. We all have feelings right? But are our feelings always accurate to reality. I may feel one thing but reality is something different. I may feel I am fat, when in reality I am not. I may feel I am ugly when in reality I am not. I may feel a lot of things where in reality it is not true. Feelings are NOT truth. Never have been.

Now where in that article does it provide the scientific research that discovered gender really exists. That people really are the sex they think they are?

Now let's look at your second article. Which you obviously did not read. Let me quote it for you.

"However, it is hypothetically possible that, in rare cases, these events could be influenced independently of each other and result in people who identify with a gender different from their physical sex. A similar reasoning has been invoked to explain the role of prenatal hormones on sexual orientation."

Did you notice that it says it is HYPOTHETICALLY POSSIBLE. In other words they have no idea. They have not discovered anything of the sort. They don't know. Let's go on.

"The establishment of gender identity is a complex phenomenon and the diversity of gender expression argues against a simple or unitary explanation. For this reason, the extent to which it is determined by social vs biological (ie, genes and hormones) factors continues to be debated vigorously.17"

If this is a settled discovery by science why is it still debated? Nope still no scientific discovery to state it's a real thing beyond a mental health issue.

Psychiatry expert: ‘scientifically there is no such thing as transgender’ - LifeSite

And yet, some men have become women. Caitlyn Jenner, for example.

No Jenner hasn't. Jenner is still a man. Jenner just out on a woman's costume and is pretending to be a woman.

Because identity is subjective.

As I've said several times.

Because it's not based on reality

I think I'll let these people speak for themselves:

No one thinks they woke up and decided to be trans. Don't be naive.

They have a mental health disorder. Some have a mental health disorder that makes them think they are the opposite sex. Many teens have other mental health problems and they think that if they transition that will fix the problems. But the real problems are NOT trans related. They just think that's the solution.