My Evolution Challenge

[Larniavc]

"Evolution is a word that tries to define the effect that Life has on matter."

That’s inaccurate. In this context it is ‘change in allele frequency over time’.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Why is it not possible for God to have used evolution to create the different lifeforms that we see in the world today and what wee have seen in the past and fossils of?

... because the Bible HAS to be read in the most literally rigid way possible, and when we do this, we KNOW that evolution could never have been the vehicle by which God created everything.

 

[Mountainmike]

Oh, mate, I do not care what you have to say at all. You're offering nothing to the thread and are in no way at all answering the OP question in the slightest. Not even making the attempt to answer it.

You just waffle. That's all you do.

So do you think lifeforms have souls, or are they just chemistry?
Whether evolution can be used to produce lifeforms , depends on your answer To that.

Souls are an important question to Christians.
even Dawkins refers to it somewhere!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So do you think lifeforms have souls, or are they just chemistry?
Whether evolution can be used to produce lifeforms , depends on your answer To that.

Souls are an important question to Christians.
even Dawkins refers to it somewhere!

That has nothing to do with the question I asked in the OP!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

... because the Bible HAS to be read in the most literally rigid way possible, and when we do this, we KNOW that evolution could never have been the vehicle by which God created everything.

That is true.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That is true.

Of course, never mind the additional fact that the collective whole of the individual Biblical authors don't actually spell out in any kind of comprehensive detail as to "HOW" anyone absolutely "HAS" to interpret their own writings ...

... there's a lot that goes into never minding any of that.

 

[Mountainmike]

That has nothing to do with the question I asked in the OP!

Thats the problem with most discussions on evolution.
They are over simplistic and so essentially meaning less.

What do you mean by evolution?
- someone said “allele change “
- common descent?
- progressive small change ( the darwinian meaning)
- survival of fittest?
- chemical? Biological?
- cell structure complexity increase?
- does it include the first cell?
- do you mean God used only evolution? Or also evolution?

As I said asking whether God used “ evolution “( undefined) for ” lifeform “ ( undefined ) change is a safe question to answer yes( or no) since it has no defined meaning.

But in ALL cases if you believe life has a soul, you must answer no to the question of whether God used (only ) evolution, because a soul is not chemistry Or biology.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thats the problem with most discussions on evolution.
They are over simplistic and so essentially meaning less.

What do you mean by evolution?
- someone said “allele change “
- common descent?
- progressive small change ( the darwinian meaning)
- survival of fittest?
- chemical? Biological?
- cell structure complexity increase?
- does it include the first cell?

As I said asking whether God used “ evolution “( undefined) for ” lifeform “ ( undefined ) change is a safe question to answer yes( or no, since it has no defined meaning.

This is what I mean by you wanting to only argue semantics. You're not being clever by going "Oh, but evolution means so many things..."

You're not going to make the attempt to actually answer the OP question, which for someone so smart should have been obvious for you to understand, so you really should just not bother since I'm not going to respond to you in a positive way if this is how you keep going on.

 

[Mountainmike]

This is what I mean by you wanting to only argue semantics. You're not being clever by going "Oh, but evolution means so many things..."

You're not going to make the attempt to actually answer the OP question, which for someone so smart should have been obvious for you to understand, so you really should just not bother since I'm not going to respond to you in a positive way if this is how you keep going on.

If it’s made you consider what YOU mean by the words evolution and life form , then the semantics have been worthwhile.

Children are now taught all life came from “ evolution” as opposed To “ creation”
its Time that statement was analyzed.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If it’s made you consider what YOU mean by the words evolution and life form , then the semantics have been worthwhile.

Children are now taught all life came from “ evolution” as opposed To “ creation”
its Time that statement was analyzed.

Take that to a thread you make yourself because I'm not interested for it being on here.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

It might imply it but evolution does not require for things to die. Only that there is reproduction with error.

My point is since death only came into the world once Adam sinned, all those things before Adam would have had to have lived for how many millions of years?

 

[Mountainmike]

See 12 examples of evolution happening right now.

so @Warden_of_the_Storm - this is a response that is surely off topic in the context of not addressing whether it is possibke God uses “ evolution”

My responses simply asked what YOU mean by “ evolution”, in order to answer your question.
It’s a fair question - what DO you mean?,

Anyway I shall leave you in peace.
The science of it all is interesting. Broad brush assumptions less so.

 

[tonychanyt]

so @Warden_of_the_Storm - this is a response that is surely off topic in the context of not addressing whether it is possibke God uses “ evolution”

Sure, God can use evolution. See Adam, Eve, and Evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, God can use evolution. See Adam, Eve, and Evolution.

But He chose not to. See Genesis 2.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But He chose not to. See Genesis 2.

Just so you know, your link doesn't work. It's just blue text.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just so you know, your link doesn't work. It's just blue text.

I know.

I changed it to blue to correspond with Tony's post.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I know.

I changed it to blue to correspond with Tony's post.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, gotcha.

Wow.

There are three times more sheep than people in Wales.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Wow.

There are three times more sheep than people in Wales.

Yeah. Lots of sheep.
Not as much as New Zealand, but more than enough to make a... unsavoury national joke about Welshmen come about. WILL NOT say it on here.

 

[honey badger]

That’s inaccurate. In this context it is ‘change in allele frequency over time’.

there is but one context ... God