Why would anyone want to come to this planet

[nightmares]

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

 

[Desk trauma]

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

We don’t.

 

[nightmares]

We don’t.

Really?

Are you saying God sends billions of us here against our will

 

[Tinker Grey]

Really?

Are you saying God sends billions of us here against our will

Yes. Really.

1st: not everybody here believes a god exists
2nd: I didn't ask or will to come here.

So, if there is a god and if that god has something to do with me being here, then he did that something without my consent.

 

[nightmares]

I'm not sure how it is possible for there to be no God and for you to be forced to come here

 

[Tinker Grey]

I'm not sure how it is possible for there to be no God and for you to be forced to come here

You should understand the word "if".

 

[nightmares]

I understand it perfectly

I just chose to remark about the scenario in which there is no God and you are forced to come here

 

[Tinker Grey]

I understand it perfectly

I just chose to remark about the scenario in which there is no God and you are forced to come here

If there is no one forcing, then I am not forced to be here.

If there is a god and that god had a say in me being here, then he did so without my consent. He forced me.

If there is no god, then the word force doesn't apply.

 

[nightmares]

"1st: not everybody here believes a god exists
2nd: I didn't ask or will to come here."

So if you don't believe a God exists and still say you didn't ask or will to come here, who made you come here

 

[Tinker Grey]

"1st: not everybody here believes a god exists
2nd: I didn't ask or will to come here."

So if you don't believe a God exists and still say you didn't ask or will to come here, who made you come here

Nobody

 

[Desk trauma]

Really?

Are you saying God sends billions of us here against our will

I don’t think we’re sent here at all. We start and end right here.

 

[eleos1954]

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

As far as we know from scripture ..... angels are the only ones that have the ability to come and go (to from earth) and they are a different type of created being .. so it's a non-issue.

 

[Pommer]

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

Could it be that Christianity has it exactly backwards?

Mightn’t it be that we labor for God for an eon (or three) then get the chance to go on holiday to Earth: Land of Free-will!

Play around with that notion for a while, there are many interesting rabbit holes to explore.

 

[Offline4Better.]

It could be that Christianity has it exactly backwards?

Mightn’t it be that we labor for God for an eon (or three) then get the chance to go on holiday to Earth: Land of Free-will!

Play around with that notion for a while, there are many interesting rabbit holes to explore.

So, you are saying hypothetically our past souls labored for God somewhere in a spiritual realm, and then entered our current bodies at birth? Well, God knew our spirits before we were born, but we as humans don't have any recollection of any past life before conception, so therefore it is impossible that we labored for God before our birth. We will live this one life on earth in human bodies and accept Jesus into our hearts as Christians, and our souls will then pass on to live an eternal life in heaven. So, Christianity doesn't have anything backwards. We have free will on Earth first, and then go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our savior.

 

[Pommer]

So, you are saying hypothetically our past souls labored for God somewhere in a spiritual realm, and then entered our current bodies at birth? Well, God knew our spirits before we were born, but we as humans don't have any recollection of any past life before conception, so therefore it is impossible that we labored for God before our birth.

In the spiritual realm we wouldn’t have had “free-will” and would likely starve when we got here unless we were “wiped” of our “identity” to cope with this New Place.

The whole concept of free-will would have been anathema before Earth.
Having “free-will” here would allow us to explore the parts of us that aren’t always “willing” to go-along-with-the-program.

We will live this one life on earth in human bodies and accept Jesus into our hearts as Christians, and our souls will then pass on to live an eternal life in heaven. So, Christianity doesn't have anything backwards. We have free will on Earth first, and then go to heaven if we accept Jesus as our savior.

Give the matter some thought before jumping into to defend the status quo; thought experiments work best if one thinks.
(If this causes you to have doubts then, no, you’ve done right as you see it; thinking along these lines should only be attempted them what can handle it.)

 

[Offline4Better.]

In the spiritual realm we wouldn’t have had “free-will” and would likely starve when we got here unless we were “wiped” of our “identity” to cope with this New Place.

The whole concept of free-will would have been anathema before Earth.
Having “free-will” here would allow us to explore the parts of us that aren’t always “willing” to go-along-with-the-program.


Give the matter some thought before jumping into to defend the status quo; thought experiments work best if one thinks.
(If this causes you to have doubts then, no, you’ve done right as you see it; thinking along these lines should only be attempted them what can handle it.)

Thought experiments are fascinating and I do run a few of them every week, on stuff ranging from if humans visited another planet with life, could the crew of the space ship convert an extraterrestrial into a Christian, to other things such as if phones could be used as PCs when plugged into a monitor, would humans not need to own a traditional PC anymore, or how many lives would be saved if planes were equipped with advanced AI to perform evasive maneuvers if flying over a dangerous part of the world or through crowded airspace. I try not to do too many thought experiments, as with my OCD and mild anxiety, rabbit holes can consume me.

Well, obviously free will would have been banned before Earth, and free will is actually pretty neat, as it gives us the choice to love God freely, and also come up with art and literature. At the same time, we must choose to follow God, whilst keeping our art and literature holy or at least neutral and non-offensive. Free will also allows us to make the best out of bad scenarios, and choose to help others who struggle with less.

 

[Robban]

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere

But why would anyone want/agree to come here knowing that they are going to suffer and die and then run the risk of dying again/hell because of "sin"

Why are we to honor our father and mother,

because as co-creators they were willing.

And by that time knowing the score also.

Something we do not know prior to entry into the world.

Despair opens all the gates of hell, so keep your chin up.

 

[Pommer]

Well, obviously free will would have been banned before Earth, and free will is actually pretty neat, as it gives us the choice to love God freely, and also come up with art and literature. At the same time, we must choose to follow God, whilst keeping our art and literature holy or at least neutral and non-offensive. Free will also allows us to make the best out of bad scenarios, and choose to help others who struggle with less.

Well, see, in this “pre-existence” “working for the Kingdom” scenario we’ve already done the “follow God’s will” things, Earth is a “reward” for doing a good job.

Here we get to use our free-will to believe as we choose from all the available belief-systems or eschew “faith” altogether: it doesn’t matter (this is where one has to suspend one’s own deeply held beliefs to fully explore this here rabbit hole); yes, it can bring up some very uncomfortable things to ponder. Fair warning.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Well, see, in this “pre-existence” “working for the Kingdom” scenario we’ve already done the “follow God’s will” things, Earth is a “reward” for doing a good job.

Here we get to use our free-will to believe as we choose from all the available belief-systems or eschew “faith” altogether: it doesn’t matter (this is where one has to suspend one’s own deeply held beliefs to fully explore this here rabbit hole); yes, it can bring up some very uncomfortable things to ponder. Fair warning.

This is understandable. Free-will can allow us to interpret different things, or even cherry pick verses from the Bible, if we really wanted to. But hey, as long as we believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter if our souls were incarnated before life or created at the instance of conception or even at birth. So, apparently, other folks have thought about pre-existence as early as the 3rd century AD by an Egyptian and Christian theologian, from just a quick scan of Wikipedia (yeah, I know, not the most reliable). So, your thought experiment was devised around ~1,800 years before today. Pretty cool isn't it?

 

[Pommer]

This is understandable. Free-will can allow us to interpret different things, or even cherry pick verses from the Bible, if we really wanted to. But hey, as long as we believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter if our souls were incarnated before life or created at the instance of conception or even at birth. So, apparently, other folks have thought about pre-existence as early as the 3rd century AD by an Egyptian and Christian theologian, from just a quick scan of Wikipedia (yeah, I know, not the most reliable). So, your thought experiment was devised around ~1,800 years before today. Pretty cool isn't it?

Oh, I well understand that I’m not the first (or 30,000th) to ponder these things.
If I have one “original” thought in a decade I’m ahead of the curve.