UFO update – whistle blower acknowledges UFOs held by Government

[sjastro]

I’m merely saying it’s your direction

Peer review as a verification tool is based on the use of common sense and has nothing to do with atheism.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Peer review as a verification tool is based on the use of common sense and has nothing to do with atheism.

Writers know more than science at this point

 

[sjastro]

Writers know more than science at this point

Oh great now I'm dealing with a random sentence generator.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Oh great now I'm dealing with a random sentence generator.

Futile…

 

[JohnEmmett]

 

[Landon Caeli]

And with precisely no data to base any hypothesis at all on make one as nonsensical as another.

Don't you think the concept of convergent evolution would make a good hypothesis for the idea that "intelligent life", can possibly occur, as many times as nature allows it? Like a universal quality, under similar environmental conditions over time? Not just here on earth... But everywhere.

...Convergent evolution is the definition for similar traits occurring within totally separate, unrelated species. And it happens all the time.

{These two have no common ancestors, but developed looking similar while genetically unrelated due to environment}

 

[Ophiolite]

Really? IMO declaring stuff that you can identify (UFOs, right?) to be ETs or demons makes as litle sense as declaring them to be hummingbirds or sentient cantalopes.

Opening with an aside: I presume the "can identify" in the sentence was meant to be "cannot identify".
On that basis I apologise for lack of clarity in my post. I am not recommending declaring UFOs to be ETs or hummingbirds, I am questioning your decision to reject outright and absolutely the option that they might be considered as such. Considering a possibility is quite different from asserting it as a probability or a fact.

And with precisely no data to base any hypothesis at all on make one as nonsensical as another.

Precisely no data! To channel John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious!" There is a vast amount of evidence. Certainly more than enough to say that some UFOs are sightings of Venus, or secret government aircraft developments projects, or hoaxes, etc. We then left with many that remain unidentified, but for them we have volumes of eyewitness reports (notoriously unreliable, but subject to analysis), blurred photographs and videos, radar tracking, etc. No data? You damage your credibility substantially.

 

[trophy33]

* Grusch says that the vehicles have been recovered from crash sites around the world.

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I wonder, why would such superior technology crash so much. And why "they" do not recover their own crashed vehicles before any human military arrives at the place (given "they" can fly so fast, it should not be a problem to be the first, there).

 

[Frank Robert]

I wonder, why would such superior technology crash so much. And why "they" do not recover their own crashed vehicles before any human military arrives at the place (given "they" can fly so fast, it should not be a problem to be the first, there).

Perhaps aliens are no less sloppy and careless as humans.

 

[Jipsah]

Precisely no data! To channel John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious!" There is a vast amount of evidence. Certainly more than enough to say that some UFOs are sightings of Venus, or secret government aircraft developments projects, or hoaxes, etc. We then left with many that remain unidentified, but for them we have volumes of eyewitness reports (notoriously unreliable, but subject to analysis), blurred photographs and videos, radar tracking, etc. No data? You damage your credibility substantially.

I've offered nothing that needs to be believed. If you'd like to imagine that grainy pictures are evidence of intelligent alien life, feel free. I think that's extraordinarily, but silliness abounds in religious discussions, which is precisely what "UFO" arguments really come down to. Tom believes in UFOs are flying saucers, Dick believes UFOs are demons, Harry believes UFOs are swamp gas. All a matter of belief. Jipsah believes that UFOs are unidentified, (otherwise you'd need to remove the "un" but are most likely in most cases to be boringly mundane stuff. It's all a matter of faith, and I don't have any to spare for spacemen/demons in flying saucers.

So a fig for my "credibility", I'm an agnostic on the subject and have no ax to grind. Wanna believe in LGM, or BEMs? Wear yourself out. Want to persuade me to your beliefs? Sure, but as the saying goes, I'm from Missouri, you have to show me. You say the picture that looks like oncoming headlights in a heavy downpour at 75 mph with old wiper blades, is a starship from Rigel IV? You'll have to forgive me if I have my doubts. I reckon it could be, but that woundn't be amongst my top 100 guesses.

"But it was only a half hour drive from the nuclear plant!"
Really? Dang.
"It Defied The Laws of Physics!" Really? Which ones?
"Nothing on earth could have done that!"
You could very well be right about that. 8)
"It was demons from hell trying to deceive us!"
Doesn't seem like that would be very effective, does it?
"Old man Johnson saw 'em!"
I'm sure OMJ's credibility is rock-ribbed, but it may be that his powers as an observer have suffered over time.

And so on ad infinitum.
Wane believe that every light in the sky is an ET or a demon? Suit yourself. I think it's ridiculous, but there ain't no law against it. But I'm no more ready to join the Flying Saucer Club than I am to join the Atheists League or the Nation of Islam.

 

[Jipsah]

Perhaps aliens are no less sloppy and careless as humans.

Or perhaps there ain't any aliens to recover the wreckage.

 

[Jipsah]

Resistance is futile.

 

[Jipsah]

Can’t you think for yourself

I always thought a=πr² was unreasonable.

 

[Jipsah]

Lies are why you do not know there is life on Mars

Details? This isn't a revelation based on Remote Viewing is it?

 

[Jipsah]

Next you can “debunk” the truth!

Happens all the time. Flerfies claim to have"debunked" the idea of a sphereoid earth all the time.

Can't "debunk" the ideas of ET/demonic youfoes, though, because there's zero evidence fur or ag'in.

 

[Frank Robert]

Or perhaps there ain't any aliens to recover the wreckage

Or perhaps they didn't expect a wreck and didn't a recovery crew which would have been a huge expense, especially coming form light years away.

Three military veterans testified in Congress' highly anticipated hearing on UFOs Wednesday, including a former Air Force intelligence officer who claimed the U.S. government has operated a secret "multi-decade" reverse engineering program of recovered vessels. He also said the U.S. has recovered non-human "biologics" from alleged crash sites.

 

[Jipsah]

Or perhaps they didn't expect a wreck and didn't a recovery crew which would have been a huge expense, especially coming form light years away.

Occam's Razor, mate. Given the complete absence of any evidence of the existence of aliens at all, which is more likely?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Occam's Razor, mate. Given the complete absence of any evidence of the existence of aliens at all, which is more likely?

you are merely unaware of the abundant evidence


kind of simple

 

[Jipsah]

you are merely unaware of the abundant evidence


kind of simple

Cite some.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Cite some.

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