Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

[stevil]

What does this nonsensical rambling have to do with the topic of the thread?

Take a look at the post I was responding to, before choosing to aggressivly goad me.

 

[KCfromNC]

It seems that you have missed the point.

If I did, one would imagine this post would be able to articulate how.
But since it fails to do so, seems that this is just a lame attempt at a personal attack to distract from yet another failed far-right talking point.

 

[Hank77]

It isn't straight people who are getting fired for being married. Seems that it is something other than having that relationship that's the important part of determining who gets to keep their jobs.

Excuse me. That argument makes no sense.

 

[Hank77]

How often are students at this school asking to pray about their marriage?

Very funny.

What about overweight people? How can they counsel that gluttony is wrong when they live a different lifestyle?

In the same way that smoking and other harmful habits can be counseled as being harmful to one's body and sometimes even greedy.

 

[Hank77]

But, so what? If they don't bring that into the classroom.

The answer to this question has already explained l'm not going to waste my time again.

 

[stevil]

The answer to this question has already explained l'm not going to waste my time again.

The answers given are irrelevant.
A person's private life in not the Church's business. Everyone is considered a sinner in the Christian faith. Why pick on gays and unmarried couples?

 

[Hank77]

The answers given are irrelevant.
A person's private life in not the Church's business. Everyone is considered a sinner in the Christian faith. Why pick on gays and unmarried couples?

Go read your Bible. Paul made it obvious that a Christian's personal life was indeed the business of the other church members.
Hint - the son who was bedding his father's wife.
and- pastors must live a certain lifestyle in order to have authority in the church.

Christian schools generally do not tolerate other behaviors that are not conducive to teaching and mentoring children, compulsive lying would be one.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Here is the other side of the coin. For many years I was CEO of a faith-based health and welfare ministry of a progressive denomination that valued being "open and affirming." The agency reflected the values of its parent denomination by serving some folks in an accepting way that were LGBTQ+. We were not going to hire persons - Christian or not - who held negative, non-accepting attitudes toward our LGBTQ+ clients. I submit that religious entities have the right to employ persons in faith-based settings who reflect the values of their religious beliefs. That gate swings both ways, in my opinion. Even more so, if you signed a contract going into it promising adherence to certain practices.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

While private entities should be able to do what they want in that regard... this is a bad strategy.

I would question why a gay person would want to work for such an organization in the first place, but that aside...

This is a "shooting one's self in the foot" situation.

The lawyer for the school's own comments were "saying the quiet part out loud"

“Religious schools exist to pass on the faith to the next generation, and to do that, they need the freedom to choose leaders who are fully committed to their religious mission,”

Sounds like "grooming" to me.


While I have serious objections to modern gender ideology....is there really anyone out there left who honestly thinks that a person being gay is a circumstance of choice rather than birth? I know some people give lip service to that idea for hardnosed political reasons, but is there anyone who honestly and truly thinks there are droves of people out there saying "I actually like the opposite sex, but I'm going to pretend to be sexually attracted to the same sex because I want to invite nonstop harassment into my life"?

 

[FireDragon76]

While private entities should be able to do what they want in that regard... this is a bad strategy.

I would question why a gay person would want to work for such an organization in the first place, but that aside...

Maybe they are the only good paying job in town? Why should all the good jobs go to straight people?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Go read your Bible. Paul made it obvious that a Christian's personal life was indeed the business of the other church members.

That sounds like a good motivation to stay away from being in a church.

 

[bèlla]

I'm not familiar with the hiring practices of Catholic schools. But most religious institutions have behavioral rules employees are expected to adhere to. I saw a at post Moody Bible Institute years ago and everything was spelled out. As would be the case for most if utilized for legal reasons. You'd probably have to acknowledge your agreement in writing.

If I was in a same sex relationship I wouldn't work there. The likelihood of problems is great and it will come out eventually.

~bella

 

[stevil]

Go read your Bible. Paul made it obvious that a Christian's personal life was indeed the business of the other church members.
Hint - the son who was bedding his father's wife.
and- pastors must live a certain lifestyle in order to have authority in the church.

Christian schools generally do not tolerate other behaviors that are not conducive to teaching and mentoring children, compulsive lying would be one.

Did he say those that are sinners shouldn't be employees of the Catholic Church?

 

[KCfromNC]

Excuse me. That argument makes no sense.

What doesn't makes sense about it? Which straight people are getting fired for getting married?

 

[KCfromNC]

Very funny.

In the same way that smoking and other harmful habits can be counseled as being harmful to one's body and sometimes even greedy.

Or drinking or abstinence - things which this business doesn't require their employees to practice in their free time. But they do seem really stuck on discriminating against one particular behavior that's uniquely associated with a very specific minority group for some reason.

 

[KCfromNC]

Here is the other side of the coin. For many years I was CEO of a faith-based health and welfare ministry of a progressive denomination that valued being "open and affirming." The agency reflected the values of its parent denomination by serving some folks in an accepting way that were LGBTQ+. We were not going to hire persons - Christian or not - who held negative, non-accepting attitudes toward our LGBTQ+ clients. I submit that religious entities have the right to employ persons in faith-based settings who reflect the values of their religious beliefs. That gate swings both ways, in my opinion. Even more so, if you signed a contract going into it promising adherence to certain practices.

There seems to be a big difference between employees who just happen to also be a member of a minority group and an employee who chooses to actively work against the goals of their potential employer.

 

[Hank77]

Did he say those that are sinners shouldn't be employees of the Catholic Church?

Go read it for yourself.
1 Corinthians 5:1

 

[Hank77]

What doesn't makes sense about it? Which straight people are getting fired for getting married?

If it makes sense to you then you haven't understood the original contractual agreement that employees make with the school. You should go back and read the OP.

 

[Hank77]

Or drinking or abstinence - things which this business doesn't require their employees to practice in their free time. But they do seem really stuck on discriminating against one particular behavior that's uniquely associated with a very specific minority group for some reason.

You can think what you like.

 

[Hank77]

That sounds like a good motivation to stay away from being in a church.

When serious sin goes on in the church and it's not addressed it can literally split a church. I personally know of a church this happened to when people kept quiet about what was going on, thinking they should just mind their own business. Even the teens in the church were aware and talking among themselves about why it was being allowed to continue. In the end, what could have been quietly addressed became a big mess and the church literally split. Almost half the congregation left and went to a different church.