Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

[KCfromNC]

Why would a want a gay counselor, counseling my child; if I sent my child to a Catholic school, to save him from being indoctrinated

Is there any evidence the person fired was because they were indoctrinating students, as opposed to the evidence showing it was simply because he was a member of the wrong type of minority group?

 

[HARK!]

Is there any evidence the person fired was because they were indoctrinating students, as opposed to the evidence showing it was simply because he was a member of the wrong type of minority group?

First off Lesbians are females.

They were fired because they breached their contracts.

Did you read the article?

 

[KCfromNC]

They were fired because they breached their contracts.

Did you read the article?

Yes, which is why I knew they weren't fired for indocrtinating students as was falsely alleged in the post I was responding to.

 

[Hank77]

Typically students don't even know the family arrangement of their teachers. I've never had a teacher tell me all about their personal life.

Have you ever had a teacher attend a school event, a concert, a basketball game, or a science fair, and their spouse/partner also attends? Usually, they do. From elementary school on I knew which teachers were married or single. In junior high, I knew that as well as who was homosexual.

 

[Hank77]

Any why can't the "wrong" types of minorities do those things?
Is it because they sin? Pretty sure the whole central message of Christianity is that everyone does. And yet for some reason, only very specific groups are being singled out for this kind of workplace discrimination.

Because they don't believe/have the same faith about these things. One can't effectively pray with someone if they don't believe what they are praying. They don't believe the Bible that marriage is between a biological man and a biological woman, so how can they counsel that it is true when they are living a different lifestyle?
If a man or a woman are found to be having a sexual relationship outside of marriage they are treated the same way by the school. They have broken their commitment to the school.

 

[Hank77]

it was simply because he was a member of the wrong type of minority group?

Was it because they were a member of the wrong group or was it because they broke the contract/commitment they made to the school by living in a relationship that they said they wouldn't?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Where did you come up with that figure?

Encrypted documents found in a hidden Vatican vault, right next to the "Secret plans agenda" cover sheet.

 

[Lukaris]

I think everyone involved would agree that before hiring Stalin for a role as a replacement guidance counselor for the one they got rid of, the school mentioned in the OP should at least check his references. And maybe his pulse.

Well the reference to Stalin etc. was actually a side bar in reference to atheism vs theism. So I guess if the school employee decides to join NAMBLA & either publicly advocates their agenda or chooses it after hiring, the religious school ( in this case Catholic) has to put up or shut up. That is how I see the reasoning being expressed here. For the time being the “regressive” type of person can still hold to their regressive fundamentalist views until it is feasible & necessary to put a chip in their head to insure there is no alleged hatred as always defined & revised by woke secularists.

 

[seeking.IAM]

If I ran a school (and I once did), I would hire teachers without prejudice (and I did). My experience was sexual preference had nothing to do with whether or not someone was a good educator. That said, I have to side with SCOTUS on this one. I think religious institutions should have the right to enforce their own religious values within their organizations, assuming the teaching of those values is part and parcel of the educational package. It's not what I would do, but I think Catholic schools should have the right to do it.

 

[stevil]

Have you ever had a teacher attend a school event, a concert, a basketball game, or a science fair, and their spouse/partner also attends? Usually, they do. From elementary school on I knew which teachers were married or single. In junior high, I knew that as well as who was homosexual.

But, so what? If they don't bring that into the classroom.

 

[Valletta]

But, so what? If they don't bring that into the classroom.

What they teach at Catholic schools is marriage between a man and a woman. That is the example employees by contract are supposed to uphold, there are many public schools and other religions where co-habitation without marriage is acceptable. Why individuals decide to lie to get a job at Catholic schools I do not know.

 

[KCfromNC]

Have you ever had a teacher attend a school event, a concert, a basketball game, or a science fair, and their spouse/partner also attends?

Or had a teacher who prefered to be addressed as Mrs rather than Ms or Miss?

 

[KCfromNC]

Was it because they were a member of the wrong group or was it because they broke the contract/commitment they made to the school by living in a relationship that they said they wouldn't?

It isn't straight people who are getting fired for being married. Seems that it is something other than having that relationship that's the important part of determining who gets to keep their jobs.

 

[KCfromNC]

Because they don't believe/have the same faith about these things. One can't effectively pray with someone if they don't believe what they are praying. They don't believe the Bible that marriage is between a biological man and a biological woman, so how can they counsel that it is true when they are living a different lifestyle?

How often are students at this school asking to pray about their marriage?

If a man or a woman are found to be having a sexual relationship outside of marriage they are treated the same way by the school. They have broken their commitment to the school.

What about overweight people? How can they counsel that gluttony is wrong when they live a different lifestyle?

I get it, there are well-rehearsed excuses for why this is not just trying to stick it to gay people because conservative outrage. But the hypocrisy makes it pretty obvious what is really going on.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well the reference to Stalin etc. was actually a side bar in reference to atheism vs theism. So I guess if the school employee decides to join NAMBLA & either publicly advocates their agenda or chooses it after hiring, the religious school ( in this case Catholic) has to put up or shut up.

Advocating for child abuse is quite a bit different than simply being in a legal marriage. Hard to take posts seriously which try to equate the two.

 

[Lukaris]

Advocating for child abuse is quite a bit different than simply being in a legal marriage. Hard to take posts seriously which try to equate the two.

They believe what they advocate is “love”
and term definitions can also become a factor in what might be considered discrimination.

Professor’s redefinition of pedophilia could help offenders demand rights

Allyn Walker’s advocacy for pedophiles highlights the crisis that critical theory poses for higher education, as it attempts to dismantle every social taboo and normalize every form of immora…

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[stevil]

Or had a teacher who prefered to be addressed as Mrs rather than Ms or Miss?

When I went to school we used to address teachers as Mr, Mrs, Miss.
But my kids, they address their teachers on a first name basis.
I think it's much better that way. Demistifies teachers and leads to a more friendly and approachable environment.

 

[KCfromNC]

They believe what they advocate is “love”
and term definitions can also become a factor in what might be considered discrimination.

Professor’s redefinition of pedophilia could help offenders demand rights

Allyn Walker’s advocacy for pedophiles highlights the crisis that critical theory poses for higher education, as it attempts to dismantle every social taboo and normalize every form of immora…

nypost.com

I mean, if you want to argue for pedophile rights go right ahead. I'm not sure you're going to get much support ... especially here, where the topic is something quite different.

 

[HARK!]

I mean, if you want to argue for pedophile rights go right ahead. I'm not sure you're going to get much support ... especially here, where the topic is something quite different.

It seems that you have missed the point.

 

[HARK!]

When I went to school we used to address teachers as Mr, Mrs, Miss.
But my kids, they address their teachers on a first name basis.
I think it's much better that way. Demistifies teachers and leads to a more friendly and approachable environment.

What does this nonsensical rambling have to do with the topic of the thread?