Same-sex marriage grounds for firing Catholic school’s guidance counselor, appeals court says

[BPPLEE]

Yes, correct, she didn't need my permission. I'm glad you took the time to point out the obvious.

Someone needs to point out the obvious because a lot of people seem to be missing it

 

[stevil]

Someone needs to point out the obvious because a lot of people seem to be missing it

I was just expressing that although I'd like to know the answers to the questions I asked, that I personally recognise that I have no right to demand those answers. Typically I would advise people against giving out such personal information.

 

[stevil]

I absolutely don’t. It’s infuriating but that’s to be expected from someone who has no experience with the situation but acts like they do.

It's clear that you also have no experience of the methotrexate option either as that didn't apply to your situation. And yet you talk as if you do have the experience.
I understand you have had an ectopic pregnancy, bet we are talking about the methotrexate option

 

[Michie]

It's clear that you also have no experience of the methotrexate option either as that didn't apply to your situation. And yet you talk as if you do have the experience.
I understand you have had an ectopic pregnancy, bet we are talking about the methotrexate option

No it’s not clear. It was an option after my ectopic. It’s called the golden ticket for a reason. Plus I was counseled by my doctor and nurse afterwards when we were trying again. You are really showing your ignorance. This is what happens when people worship their narrative trying to act all knowing. Your posts have been ridiculous in this thread. Stop worrying about others so-called hate and concentrate ridding yourself of your own.

 

[stevil]

No it’s not clear. It was an option after my ectopic.

After?
The option is for resolving an ectopic pregnancy, not for recovering from one.

It’s called the golden ticket for a reason. Plus I was counseled by my doctor and nurse afterwards when we were trying again. You are really showing your ignorance.

Of course I am ignorant of your situation. You haven't explained it to me before.
But you haven't ever claimed to have had an ectopic pregnancy where methotrexate has been an option.

This is what happens when people worship their narrative trying to act all knowing.

Well, no. this conversation is going on and on without you recognising that some Catholic run hospitals won't offer the methotrexate option based on their moral grounds rather than medical expertise.

I appreciate you showing me an article saying that the church isn't dictating this. That is something I have learned from this conversation. But I have also showed you that many Church run hospitals still do not offer this option. But unfortunately you continue to deride me on this rather than to accept it. When asked about your experience and the Church run hospital that you went to, you still have not told me whether that hospital provides this as an option in order to terminate an ectopic pregnancy.

 

[Landon Caeli]

After?
The option is for resolving an ectopic pregnancy, not for recovering from one.


Of course I am ignorant of your situation. You haven't explained it to me before.
But you haven't ever claimed to have had an ectopic pregnancy where methotrexate has been an option.


Well, no. this conversation is going on and on without you recognising that some Catholic run hospitals won't offer the methotrexate option based on their moral grounds rather than medical expertise.

I appreciate you showing me an article saying that the church isn't dictating this. That is something I have learned from this conversation. But I have also showed you that many Church run hospitals still do not offer this option. But unfortunately you continue to deride me on this rather than to accept it. When asked about your experience and the Church run hospital that you went to, you still have not told me whether that hospital provides this as an option in order to terminate an ectopic pregnancy.

You don't 'appear' to know anything about what you're talking about. You have provided no evidence of doctors opting out of the methotrexate option due to moral issues, and I think you actually do believe that Catholic hospitals hire Catholic staff, which would be laughably ignorant if true.

It's very frustrating having a conversation with someone so far removed from reality.

Show us something *credible*, please. Do you have any actual facts? Or just weird conspiracy theories meant to annoy serious readers?

 

[HARK!]

“We love and support you!”

Great!, gimme a job working next to you!

“Not a chance!”

Why would a want a gay counselor, counseling my child; if I sent my child to a Catholic school, to save him from being indoctrinated, in a public school, that a homosexual lifestyle is acceptable?

Homosexual counselors are bad for business in Catholic schools.

Compare Bud Light.

 

[stevil]

You don't 'appear' to know anything about what you're talking about. You have provided no evidence of doctors opting out of the methotrexate option due to moral issues, and I think you actually do believe that Catholic hospitals hire Catholic staff, which would be laughably ignorant if true.

I have provided the evidence. I provided links about where this is happening.

It's very frustrating having a conversation with someone so far removed from reality.

It's very frustrating having a conversation with someone who doesn't read the evidence that I have already provided, and doesn't accept that this issue is happening today with some Catholic hospitals. The reality is, that it is happening.

Show us something, please. Do you have any actual facts? Or just weird conspiracy theories meant to annoy serious readers?

Post #196 in this very thread.

ALSO - if you are actually interested in the topic, and whether this is happening or not, it is probably better for you to do an independant search rather than to take my word for it, or to accept the articles I provide. But anyway, I made the claim, so I am obligated to provide my sources, and I already have done so.

Do religious restrictions influence ectopic pregnancy management? A national qualitative study - PubMed

Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about and access to a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that delay care and may expose women to unnecessary risks.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Introduction: In the United States, ectopic pregnancies are relatively common and associated with significant maternal morbidity and mortality. The Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services (the Directives) govern the provision of care in Catholic-affiliated hospitals and prohibit the provision of abortion in almost all circumstances. Although ectopic pregnancies are not viable, some Catholic ethicists have argued that the Directives preclude physicians at Catholic hospitals from managing tubal pregnancies with methods and procedures that involve "direct" action against the embryo.

Findings: Participants from three Catholic facilities reported that medical therapy with methotrexate was not offered because of their hospitals' religious affiliation. The lack of methotrexate resulted in changes in counseling and practice patterns, including managing ectopic pregnancies expectantly, providing the medication surreptitiously, and transferring patients to other facilities. Further, several physicians reported that, before initiating treatment, they were required to document nonviability through what they perceived as unnecessary paperwork, tests, and imaging studies.

Conclusion: Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about and access to a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that delay care and may expose women to unnecessary risks.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I have provided the evidence. I provided links about where this is happening.



It's very frustrating having a conversation with someone who doesn't read the evidence that I have already provided, and doesn't accept that this issue is happening today with some Catholic hospitals. The reality is, that it is happening.



Post #196 in this very thread.

ALSO - if you are actually interested in the topic, and whether this is happening or not, it is probably better for you to do an independant search rather than to take my word for it, or to accept the articles I provide. But anyway, I made the claim, so I am obligated to provide my sources, and I already have done so.

Do religious restrictions influence ectopic pregnancy management? A national qualitative study - PubMed

Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about and access to a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that delay care and may expose women to unnecessary risks.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Introduction: In the United States, ectopic pregnancies are relatively common and associated with significant maternal morbidity and mortality. The Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services (the Directives) govern the provision of care in Catholic-affiliated hospitals and prohibit the provision of abortion in almost all circumstances. Although ectopic pregnancies are not viable, some Catholic ethicists have argued that the Directives preclude physicians at Catholic hospitals from managing tubal pregnancies with methods and procedures that involve "direct" action against the embryo.

Findings: Participants from three Catholic facilities reported that medical therapy with methotrexate was not offered because of their hospitals' religious affiliation. The lack of methotrexate resulted in changes in counseling and practice patterns, including managing ectopic pregnancies expectantly, providing the medication surreptitiously, and transferring patients to other facilities. Further, several physicians reported that, before initiating treatment, they were required to document nonviability through what they perceived as unnecessary paperwork, tests, and imaging studies.

Conclusion: Our findings suggest that some interpretations of the Directives are precluding physicians from providing women with ectopic pregnancies with information about and access to a full range of treatment options and are resulting in practices that delay care and may expose women to unnecessary risks.

Findings: 3 participants said it's true, and a few physicians thought there was too much paperwork.

...I think we're done here.

 

[stevil]

Findings: 3 participants said it's true, and a few physicians thought there was too much paperwork.

...I think we're done here.

Is 3 not enough for you?

 

[Michie]

By the time you hit the hospital and are in danger of dying from internal bleeding and need emergency surgery… yeah, there is no discussion of methotrexate at that point. The goal is getting to that tube and surveying the damage. There is no healthy fallopian tube. The primary cause of ectopic pregnancies. I mean?!

You don’t get it. Pregnant women are not scanned for ectopic pregnancies unless there is a reason to. Some experience symptoms, most do not. Most experience this trauma in one way or another before their first prenatal visit.

Methotrexate is discussed after the fact. Sheesh. What so hard to understand? It’s getting embarrassing.

 

[stevil]

By the time you hit the hospital and are in danger of dying from internal bleeding and need emergency surgery… yeah, there is no discussion of methotrexate at that point. The goal is getting to that tube and surveying the damage. There is no healthy fallopian tube. The primary cause of ectopic pregnancies. I mean?!

You don’t get it. Pregnant women are not scanned for ectopic pregnancies unless there is a reason to. Some experience symptoms, most do not. Most experience this trauma in one way or another before their first prenatal visit.

Methotrexate is discussed after the fact. Sheesh. What so hard to understand? It’s getting embarrassing.

Perhaps what you don't get is that non Catholic Hospitals do perform methotrexate treatment. It is the preferred treatment when possible. They have no moral issues with it.
It doesn't help to try and sweep that under the rug.

 

[Michie]

Perhaps what you don't get is that non Catholic Hospitals do perform methotrexate treatment. It is the preferred treatment when possible. They have no moral issues with it.
It doesn't help to try and sweep that under the rug.

Who wouldn’t realize it? Why would anyone sweep that under the rug? I didn’t. And yes it can be offered if it’s caught early enough.

 

[stevil]

Who wouldn’t realize it? Why would anyone sweep that under the rug? I didn’t. And yes it can be offered if it’s caught early enough.

Only some Catholic Hospitals don't offer it.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Only some Catholic Hospitals don't offer it.

How many across the United States are known to not offer it? 3 out of 600..? So that's like 0.5%?

...And how do they get away with it without a single lawsuit? Is it a deep, undercover operation?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Maybe there's secret medical codes, that can be uncoded, like in the DaVinci Code. But be careful! The Nuns might be watching!

 

[stevil]

How many across the United States are known to not offer it? 3 out of 600..? So that's like 0.5%?

Where did you come up with that figure?

 

[KCfromNC]

Sorry, ph. The lgbtq movement has shown itself to be a force propelled by haste, extremism, and rage.

I mean, who wouldn't be a bit upset if they were getting fired from jobs and turned away as customers simply because they were they wrong type of minority? Not to even mention all of the made up claims that they're child abusers, groomers, abominations, and what ever else the GOP has decided to accuse them of this week.

 

[KCfromNC]

In a Christian school, it would be especially important for a guidance counselor to have the same faith beliefs. Christian counseling includes Bible scriptures, praying together, etc.

Any why can't the "wrong" types of minorities do those things?
Is it because they sin? Pretty sure the whole central message of Christianity is that everyone does. And yet for some reason, only very specific groups are being singled out for this kind of workplace discrimination.

 

[KCfromNC]

Yeah like communist atheists with hardly any past show such humanity like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the Shining Path of Peru etc..

I think everyone involved would agree that before hiring Stalin for a role as a replacement guidance counselor for the one they got rid of, the school mentioned in the OP should at least check his references. And maybe his pulse.