Story of 10 year old denied abortion goes viral; Update arrest made

[rambot]

A sensible fine, the medical privacy of ficticious people who are invented to serve a political agenda must be protected.

Sorry? I don't believe the girl was ficticious but because of privacy issues, yes, a 10 year old girl's identity would not be shared.

Perhaps I missed a bit of the story tho.

 

[Nithavela]

Sorry? I don't believe the girl was ficticious but because of privacy issues, yes, a 10 year old girl's identity would not be shared.

Perhaps I missed a bit of the story tho.

Haven't you been paying attention to the thread? It's right there in the OP that this story likely never happened and thus should be disregarded.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The problem seems to stem from that farcical belief that a girl (or a boy) learning about how their body works, is then going to SUDDENLY become sexually active; As if the ONLY thing keeping them from having sex was the knowledge that not all boys have a foreskin or girls get their period.

They aren't merely "learning how their body works". That's not the sort of thing that teachers would tell each other to "hide" from parents.

That's generally the "tell". If it has to be kept hidden from parents....you probably shouldn't be teaching it.

 

[Juvenal]

They aren't merely "learning how their body works". That's not the sort of thing that teachers would tell each other to "hide" from parents.

That's generally the "tell". If it has to be kept hidden from parents....you probably shouldn't be teaching it.

Teachers are more trustworthy than parents.

 

[rambot]

Haven't you been paying attention to the thread? It's right there in the OP that this story likely never happened and thus should be disregarded.

No I didn't pay attention to the thread. I'm not convinced that it "never happenned" just because there's no paper trails.

I fully expect doctors to get duplicitous to help out dire cases and frankly I don't care.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

No I didn't pay attention to the thread. I'm not convinced that it "never happenned" just because there's no paper trails.

The rapists was arrested. I hope people aren't still in denial about this matter.

 

[rambot]

The rapists was arrested. I hope people aren't still in denial about this matter.

It's a terrible story that shows the impact of antiabortion legislation. Of course some are going to ignore it; I mean, whether this particular story is true or not, it has likely happened somewhere....or it certainly will.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

It's a terrible story that shows the impact of antiabortion legislation. Of course some are going to ignore it; I mean, whether this particular story is true or not, it has likely happened somewhere....or it certainly will.

Some believe 10 or 11 year old shouldn't have terminated the pregnancy at all. Even though it could harm her body, The potential baby might not make it. She should have been forced to have it, and give up for adoption. That would be horrible for her mental state. But so is that whole situation, that a 10 year old will have to remember.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Teachers are more trustworthy than parents.

Where?

 

[Juvenal]

Where?

It's noteworthy that this question should arise in where a mother was proven complicit in the sexual abuse of her ten year old daughter. The direct answer to your question is "everywhere." Obviously. In most of the world, even where parents are strictly revered, teachers are even more revered.

That's not by accident or without reason.

Parents are generally responsible for two or three children while given extraordinary powers over them without commensurate oversight and no required training with tragic consequences as detailed in the o/p. Teachers are responsible for all of those kids and the rest of a full classroom at any one time, filled with a large fraction of the entire school as students rotate through for the classes in which the teacher is a subject matter expert.

They are accountable first by their students, as everyone knows the first time they stand in front of a classroom, and then by the parents, and by the school administration and the education departments of the cities and counties and states. And then, they're also accountable to the legislatures.

Of course teachers are more trustworthy. They earn it in public every day.

No parent can be held accountable to anyone if they're willing to live far enough back in the woods.

These are objective facts.

In the 1930s it proved useful to direct the anger of German citizens toward racial and ethnic minorities, especially the Jews, and by means of propaganda fostered a society that looked the other way as millions were killed in concentration camps. It has to be stressed that this is not an indictment of the Germans. It's an acknowledgment of the perils of the human condition, and a caution to always look for who the demagogues have chosen to frenzy the mob against.

Now the mob is being turned against teachers, painted with the vilest of accusations to the point where "kindergarten teacher" is considered an indictment in itself raising immediate suspicions of the child sexual abuse that is far more certain to come at the hands of parents.

There's nothing new about this.

In the 1930s, Jews were depicted as diseased rats spreading the plague in Goebbels' propaganda.

But it didn't start with the Jews.

... Then they came for the trade unionists​

And I did not speak out​

Because I was not a trade unionist​

Then they came for the Jews​

Today's almost cavalier accusations of pedophilia didn't start with the teachers, either. They started with Podesta's hacked emails and Comet Ping Pong, and #pizzagate, and grew into a more general attack against the Clintons and Democratic party leadership.

From there it's been mainstreamed into the Republican party where their majorities allow them to literally outlaw the teaching of anything that conflicts with their political preferences.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's noteworthy that this question should arise in where a mother was proven complicit in the sexual abuse of her ten year old daughter.

Right....as illegal immigrants, who were probably unable to pay the ruthless cartels that trafficked them across under the current lax policies and mercy of a sanctuary city that will not remove them....it's probably a safe assumption that the daughter was payment.

That's an easily fixed problem though....and doesn't require tossing children to teachers for sexualization.

The direct answer to your question is "everywhere." Obviously.

I don't know of any nation that trusts teachers with children more than their own parents but if you can find one....feel free to let me know.

In most of the world, even where parents are strictly revered, teachers are even more revered.

Not here.

That's not by accident or without reason.

I'll agree with that.

Parents are generally responsible for two or three children while given extraordinary powers over them without commensurate oversight and no required training with tragic consequences as detailed in the o/p. Teachers are responsible for all of those kids and the rest of a full classroom at any one time, filled with a large fraction of the entire school as students rotate through for the classes in which the teacher is a subject matter expert.

And in regards to their responsibilities...our teachers have failed miserably. They've failed to educate, or keep children safe, and frankly, they deserve more criticism than they currently receive.

They are accountable first by their students,

That's backwards.

as everyone knows the first time they stand in front of a classroom,

Again....students are accountable to the teachers. They are minors, they have no authority, no right to demand anything other than the education they are offered. They have the relative expectation of safety and these are the only things.

Again, our teachers are complete failures in both the task of education and relative safety.

Of course teachers are more trustworthy. They earn it in public every day.

The entire point of their job is to educate. As they have failed utterly in this task despite a higher per capita spending on students in their profession than any comparable nation....they've earned nothing but scorn.

No parent can be held accountable to anyone if they're willing to live far enough back in the woods.

They are accountable to the laws of the country they inhabit. Unfortunately, the idiots surrounding them decided to not hold them accountable. Those idiots include their teachers. Point the finger at those foolish enough to not realize that sanctuary includes foreign pedophiles.

These are objective facts.

You seem unfamiliar with the words "objective" and "facts".

In the 1930s it proved useful to direct the anger of German citizens toward racial and ethnic minorities, especially the Jews, and by means of propaganda fostered a society that looked the other way as millions were killed in concentration camps.

Does the current curriculum stress the importance and prominence of racial views in society?

Or does it stress the objective facts that these are superficial physical characteristics that fundamentally don't matter?

It has to be stressed that this is not an indictment of the Germans. It's an acknowledgment of the perils of the human condition, and a caution to always look for who the demagogues have chosen to frenzy the mob against.

I think the better comparison is Maoist China wherein the communists who failed to reach utopia were scourged and shamed by the youth whom had been propagandized since they stepped into the classroom. Old ways of thinking were blamed for collectivist failures....and the ignorant youth believed they were ushering in a bright new future. Their mistakes were not realized for decades and far too late to retain their rights or dignity.

Now the mob is being turned against teachers,

I cannot imagine why you would think public servants are above criticism. They are here to serve the public. They eat off the taxes of parents...not children.


If they are so completely incompetent as they have proven themselves....they deserve not only harsh criticism but widespread reform.

painted with the vilest of accusations to the point where "kindergarten teacher" is considered an indictment in itself raising immediate suspicions of the child sexual abuse that is far more certain to come at the hands of parents.

I cannot imagine any purpose for sexual education in kindergarten that serves either the children or parents.

There's nothing new about this.

In the 1930s, Jews were depicted as diseased rats spreading the plague in Goebbels' propaganda.

I don't think you are capable of distinguishing propaganda from education.

Today's almost cavalier accusations of pedophilia didn't start with the teachers, either. They started with Podesta's hacked emails and Comet Ping Pong, and #pizzagate, and grew into a more general attack against the Clintons and Democratic party leadership.

Ask Melinda Gates about that.

From there it's been mainstreamed into the Republican party where their majorities allow them to literally outlaw the teaching of anything that conflicts with their political preferences.

Political neutrality in education is essential if you wish to live in a free democratic republic. If not, pick the authoritarian state of your choice and kick rocks.

 

[Juvenal]

....it's probably a safe assumption that the daughter was payment.

You might want to consider knowing something about what you're talking about before talking about it.

 

[rambot]

It's noteworthy that this question should arise in where a mother was proven complicit in the sexual abuse of her ten year old daughter. The direct answer to your question is "everywhere." Obviously. In most of the world, even where parents are strictly revered, teachers are even more revered.

That's not by accident or without reason.

Parents are generally responsible for two or three children while given extraordinary powers over them without commensurate oversight and no required training with tragic consequences as detailed in the o/p. Teachers are responsible for all of those kids and the rest of a full classroom at any one time, filled with a large fraction of the entire school as students rotate through for the classes in which the teacher is a subject matter expert.

They are accountable first by their students, as everyone knows the first time they stand in front of a classroom, and then by the parents, and by the school administration and the education departments of the cities and counties and states. And then, they're also accountable to the legislatures.

Of course teachers are more trustworthy. They earn it in public every day.

No parent can be held accountable to anyone if they're willing to live far enough back in the woods.

These are objective facts.

In the 1930s it proved useful to direct the anger of German citizens toward racial and ethnic minorities, especially the Jews, and by means of propaganda fostered a society that looked the other way as millions were killed in concentration camps. It has to be stressed that this is not an indictment of the Germans. It's an acknowledgment of the perils of the human condition, and a caution to always look for who the demagogues have chosen to frenzy the mob against.

Now the mob is being turned against teachers, painted with the vilest of accusations to the point where "kindergarten teacher" is considered an indictment in itself raising immediate suspicions of the child sexual abuse that is far more certain to come at the hands of parents.

There's nothing new about this.

In the 1930s, Jews were depicted as diseased rats spreading the plague in Goebbels' propaganda.

But it didn't start with the Jews.

... Then they came for the trade unionists​

And I did not speak out​

Because I was not a trade unionist​

Then they came for the Jews​

Today's almost cavalier accusations of pedophilia didn't start with the teachers, either. They started with Podesta's hacked emails and Comet Ping Pong, and #pizzagate, and grew into a more general attack against the Clintons and Democratic party leadership.

From there it's been mainstreamed into the Republican party where their majorities allow them to literally outlaw the teaching of anything that conflicts with their political preferences.

Given the libel I have personally experienced on this website, in addition to the lies being spread about educators generally, I truly want to thank you for this well written response.

As a teacher I feel you supported me and us and I thank you.

It's been depressing listening to ignoramouses complain about the quality of something they have been desperately trying to dismantle and destroy.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So it looks like an arrest was made in the case.


Columbus man charged in rape of 10-year-old that led to abortion

Man accused of raping and impregnating child in Ohio is sentenced to life in prison after guilty plea​

Gerson Fuentes, 28, pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts of rape, and was sentenced the same day to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 to 30 years, according to documents from the clerk of courts in Ohio’s Franklin County.

The girl was 9 when she was raped, according to a court indictment, and was 10 when the pregnancy was ended last summer.

 

[NxNW]

Note that early in the thread, BPPLEE and RileyG and Ana the Ist and Skye1300 all claimed that the story was fabricated. I'm sure they'll be stepping forward soon to apologize for the false accusations.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Man accused of raping and impregnating child in Ohio is sentenced to life in prison after guilty plea​

Gerson Fuentes, 28, pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts of rape, and was sentenced the same day to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 to 30 years, according to documents from the clerk of courts in Ohio’s Franklin County.

The girl was 9 when she was raped, according to a court indictment, and was 10 when the pregnancy was ended last summer.

He probably took the plea to avoid a trial where the 9yo girl would be revealed to be payment for entering the US. I'm glad Republicans didn't let this go despite Democrats clearly not wanting to investigate the rape.


I doubt he has any idea how difficult prison will be. He's unlikely to see the end of that sentence.

 

[Bradskii]

Note that early in the thread, BPPLEE and RileyG and Ana the Ist and Skye1300 all claimed that the story was fabricated. I'm sure they'll be stepping forward soon to apologize for the false accusations.

I guess you did as I did and went back to re-read the thread. Interesting isn't it when we now know the facts. If something contradicts one's view of the world, or at least how they would like it to be, then denying it seems to be the first option in many playbooks. Although, to be fair, it's @BPPLEE's thread and he has actually edited the title to reflect the new information.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Note that early in the thread, BPPLEE and RileyG and Ana the Ist and Skye1300 all claimed that the story was fabricated. I'm sure they'll be stepping forward soon to apologize for the false accusations.

Did I claim the story was fabricated? Quote me on that....

I only questioned the credibility of a bunch of news sources that seemed entirely uninterested in catching a child rapist....because it's a Democratic Party sanctuary city.....but still tried to use the victim as a pawn in the pro-abortion narrative.

I mean, why would I question the credibility of news sources that actively cover for an entirely corrupt president and smear experts who claim covid came from a lab as conspiracy theorists lol?

You should go back and see who claimed that the rapist wasn't the "issue".

 

[Ana the Ist]

I guess you did as I did and went back to re-read the thread. Interesting isn't it when we now know the facts. If something contradicts one's view of the world, or at least how they would like it to be, then denying it seems to be the first option in many playbooks. Although, to be fair, it's @BPPLEE's thread and he has actually edited the title to reflect the new information.

Here's one of them...

And to switch the discussion with a few comments about law and order and 'what about the rapist?' is to ignore the point entirely.

Imagine that....the rapist wasn't even the point when the story came out! Why? Because who cares if we hand this girl back to her abusers! It's more important to some posters that she's able to get an abortion every time she's raped and impregnated.

 

[BPPLEE]

I guess you did as I did and went back to re-read the thread. Interesting isn't it when we now know the facts. If something contradicts one's view of the world, or at least how they would like it to be, then denying it seems to be the first option in many playbooks. Although, to be fair, it's @BPPLEE's thread and he has actually edited the title to reflect the new information.

Can you share the post where I said the story was fabricated? I said I doubted the story and the medical professional had an obligation to report it and there wasn’t a report at the time, but I don’t think I made that determination