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Would you date a Christian that doesn't go to church?

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Christianity is more than just going to church. I've met plenty of cult attendees that go to church promptly every Sunday, and i've met the most genuine believers that don't often attend.

Jesus pointed out the difference between Pharisees and the common man, the Pharisees were strictly religious on the outside (Matthew 23:27-28) while tax collectors and sinners were said to be entering the kingdom of Heaven(Matthew 21:31).

I personally watch online. If you're a true christian you will be able to tell based on fruit if that person you want to date is a christian, not just church attendance.
 
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Christianity is more than just going to church. I've met plenty of cult attendees that go to church promptly every Sunday, and i've met the most genuine believers that don't often attend.

Jesus pointed out the difference between Pharisees and the common man, the Pharisees were strictly religious on the outside (Matthew 23:27-28) while tax collectors and sinners were said to be entering the kingdom of Heaven(Matthew 21:31).

I personally watch online. If you're a true christian you will be able to tell based on fruit if that person you want to date is a christian, not just church attendance.

That kind of discernment doesn't come overnight. It can take years of sanctification and gaining spiritual maturity to get there.
 

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I do not recognize any of the activities you mentioned as sin.
To sum it all up in this one sentence, I agree 100%. I was really scratching my head at this poster's....comments. There's just something even...pathological about it, esp. when I don't see it happening in church.

I thought we moved on from the dark ages of when we thought the game Dungeons and Dragons to be satanic, Mr. Spock (Star Treks) his...pointed ears, mimics the devil, and so on. TV filmed Elvis above the waist, to avoid people from seeing him shake his hips and the list goes on.

It is interesting how some Christians see certain things as sinful, when other Christians see it as clearly not sinful whatsoever.

I think this is why some people avoid in-person church altogether, and perhaps limit it to online viewing.

And what is this "strange fire" term I never heard of?
 
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To sum it all up in this one sentence, I agree 100%. I was really scratching my head at this poster's....comments. There's just something even...pathological about it, esp. when I don't see it happening in church.

I thought we moved on from the dark ages of when we thought the game Dungeons and Dragons to be satanic, Mr. Spock (Star Treks) his...pointed ears, mimics the devil, and so on. TV filmed Elvis above the waist, to avoid people from seeing him shake his hips and the list goes on.

It is interesting how some Christians see certain things as sinful, when other Christians see it as clearly not sinful whatsoever.

I think this is why some people avoid in-person church altogether, and perhaps limit it to online viewing.

And what is this "strange fire" term I never heard of?

The "strange fire" part is likely a reference to Leviticus 10:1-2 where two priests offered up a kind of sacrifice the Lord did not want. But this is hardly on-point to the secularized holidays we now have. People don't hunt for colorful eggs in the Spring, see fireworks in the Summer, wear costumes in the Fall, or decorate a tree in the Winter to worship some deity - they do so for fun and games. Now if a church assembly brought out 14-year old temple prostitutes or something like that, then I would have a problem.

People who go on about things like "immodest dress", secular music, etc oftentimes like to tout their own supposed holiness. I don't know who they think they're fooling. I'm not impressed, and neither is God. I don't know where this poster was coming from, but it is entirely possible he was just some troll. Everyone else ignored his post, and it is possible I should have done the same.

He also mentioned an assembly's organization / tax status, as if being tax exempt under IRC Sec 501(c)(3) is somehow evidence that the doctrine is corrupt. I've come across one other guy who did that (online). I told him I saw that as akin to placing bets on sports teams based on how pretty the women in their respective cities are. (I think that was from an old sitcom.) He blocked me upon hearing that.
 
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People who go on about things like "immodest dress", secular music, etc oftentimes like to tout their own supposed holiness. I don't know who they think they're fooling. I'm not impressed, and neither is God.

I think people should generally dress according to the culture. And if their tastes deviate sufficiently with their church culture, to maybe look for a different church where they won't be misjudged.

Biblical teachings against immodesty have more to do with flaunting wealth than showing skin. Elaborite hairstyles and dresses that would have been considered over the top for the particular cultures to which Paul wrote his letters. A better analogy might be bringing a $20,000 handbag to church. Carrying one around would likely make others envious or feel bad about themselves. It would be immodest and inconsistent with the Holy Spirit. Then again, the same handbag at a church where everybody carries the same kind of bag might not be an issue. Either way, it wouldn't make anybody more or less holy than others. It's just more considerate to keep others in mind than not.

Although it may not sound less judgy, calling a church dress code faux pas "inappropriate" is usually more accurate than calling it immodest. Like wearing swimwear at the beach or wearing swimwear at the office. The former is appropriate while the latter is inappropriate.

If somebody is deliberately trying to inspire lust or something else, other verses address those issues. Not to mention the fact that God knows what's in our hearts and minds. Unfortunately, modesty in the biblical sense is rarely taught these days.
 
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With all due respect, while I don't mean to come down too hard on you (really, I don't), there are some things I must say regarding this. Attitudes like this have made me reluctant to associate with other Christians.
Just to point out, the poster you're replying to was last seen in January. I doubt you're going to get a response.
 
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With all due respect, while I don't mean to come down too hard on you (really, I don't), there are some things I must say regarding this. Attitudes like this have made me reluctant to associate with other Christians.

"... keep the pagan holidays, which is ‘strange fire’ to God."
I presume this means it's a sin to wear a costume on the last day of October, or hunt for colorful eggs in Spring. Where in Scripture is that written? I have a hard time seeing any sin in these activities.

"... immodestly dressed feminist women; femininized men in tight womanly clothing... "
Who made you the Fashion Police? There are far more heinous crimes a woman can commit than to show up in public wearing a halter top and short skirt. A lady can never be modest enough for these people. Where in Scripture does it say it's a sin to dress this way?

"They have other sinful practices as well..politics, sports, fleshly music with emotional appeal..."
So it's a sin to watch a ball game, listen to secular music, or discuss the circus with elephants and donkeys? Says who? The Pet Shop Boys? Your beginning to sound like them with their song "It's a Sin", circa 1987. What isn't a sin to you?

"I say this not to be unkind or pharasitcal, but it is the truth and people need to wake up."
No, it is not the truth. You are condemning activities and things as sin without any real basis in the Scriptures or common horse sense for doing so. That kind of legalism not only irritates me, it discredits the Faith as a whole.

I do not recognize any of the activities you mentioned as sin.

I wouldn't want to associate with other Christians, or be part of a church that thinks these things either.

When I was a child my parents enrolled me in a private school run by a Fundamentalist Baptist church, one that taught KJV-onlyism. That said all secular music was satanic and even said that "Christian rock" is still satanic because, as they argued, the percussion instruments were related to demonic practices of indigenous Africans (in other words, racism). One wasn't permitted to go to the movie theater because, as they argued, that if you go to see one movie you watch all the movies that have ever played in that theater. Men couldn't have long hair, women had to wear ankle-long dresses/skirts. That a Christian man shouldn't even wear blue jeans because it isn't "Christian appropriate". And the list goes on.

Now, I didn't go to that church, neither did my family. In fact, that was a source of problems for me at the school. I was often treated different, like an outcast or pariah, because my family went to a different church. It wasn't just me, other students whose families weren't connected with the church also had to deal with being treated poorly. I was even called out and ostracized in the middle of class by teachers, and made to feel like an outsider.

I was a student in that school from Kindergarten until the 6th grade. And I'll be completely honest, I'm in my 40's now and I am still recovering from trauma I experienced as a child at that school, I am only now at this time in my life coming to grasp how much that school--and the church which ran the school--messed me up in a lot of ways.

My grandmother (mom's side) grew up in a terrible church as well. The pastor was an abusive money-grubbing monster who nickle-and-dimed pretty much all the money my great-grandmother had when my grandma was growing up. It was so bad that even when my grandma was in her 60's and 70's she would ask me things, like if it was possible for someone who is overweight to go to heaven. See, she had been raised to believe that fat people can't go to heaven. My grandma would tell me how, growing up, she wasn't allowed to drink root beer and other carbonated beverages because "root beer" had the word "beer" in it, which made it evil (and all carbonated beverages were evil by association). My grandma was raised to believe that one had to follow strict codes of holiness, such as women not wearing jewelry or wearing trousers, or playing card games (including Go Fish) and all manner of things were evil and could prevent you from going to heaven.

I've seen other toxic churches as well. Though for different reasons.

The point I want to make here is simple: I've seen this stuff my whole life. I don't want anything to do with that, it's awful, it's inherently un-Christian. It's toxic, it's abusive, it's not Christianity. Certainly not the Christianity that I know from my Bible, from Jesus, and from my reading and study of two thousand years of Christian history.

You shouldn't associate with that kind of "Christianity", nobody should. Nobody should be a victim of that kind of false religion.

Moralism has nothing to do with Christ. Legalism has nothing to do with Christ. Toxic spirituality and abusive religion has nothing to do with Christ.

The good thing, however, is that most churches don't come anywhere near any of that. Even most "conservative" churches. Even churches which, for other reasons, I wouldn't personally attend or be part of (for theological reasons chiefly) aren't anything like that.

But it is precisely because these types of churches exist, that this kind of ugly fundamentalism exists, that it is all the more important that we, as believers in the Lord, are part of good and healthy communities of faith. That we are encouraged and share life together with, and receive God's Word and Sacraments, in the context of a loving, free, grace-filled community where we can not only grow in our faith, but we can grow in our faith together.

There are a lot of weeds out there, but there are also so many beautiful wildflowers.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I wouldn't want to associate with other Christians, or be part of a church that thinks these things either.

When I was a child my parents enrolled me in a private school run by a Fundamentalist Baptist church, one that taught KJV-onlyism. That said all secular music was satanic and even said that "Christian rock" is still satanic because, as they argued, the percussion instruments were related to demonic practices of indigenous Africans (in other words, racism). One wasn't permitted to go to the movie theater because, as they argued, that if you go to see one movie you watch all the movies that have ever played in that theater. Men couldn't have long hair, women had to wear ankle-long dresses/skirts. That a Christian man shouldn't even wear blue jeans because it isn't "Christian appropriate". And the list goes on.

Now, I didn't go to that church, neither did my family. In fact, that was a source of problems for me at the school. I was often treated different, like an outcast or pariah, because my family went to a different church. It wasn't just me, other students whose families weren't connected with the church also had to deal with being treated poorly. I was even called out and ostracized in the middle of class by teachers, and made to feel like an outsider.

I was a student in that school from Kindergarten until the 6th grade. And I'll be completely honest, I'm in my 40's now and I am still recovering from trauma I experienced as a child at that school, I am only now at this time in my life coming to grasp how much that school--and the church which ran the school--messed me up in a lot of ways.

My grandmother (mom's side) grew up in a terrible church as well. The pastor was an abusive money-grubbing monster who nickle-and-dimed pretty much all the money my great-grandmother had when my grandma was growing up. It was so bad that even when my grandma was in her 60's and 70's she would ask me things, like if it was possible for someone who is overweight to go to heaven. See, she had been raised to believe that fat people can't go to heaven. My grandma would tell me how, growing up, she wasn't allowed to drink root beer and other carbonated beverages because "root beer" had the word "beer" in it, which made it evil (and all carbonated beverages were evil by association). My grandma was raised to believe that one had to follow strict codes of holiness, such as women not wearing jewelry or wearing trousers, or playing card games (including Go Fish) and all manner of things were evil and could prevent you from going to heaven.

I've seen other toxic churches as well. Though for different reasons.

The point I want to make here is simple: I've seen this stuff my whole life. I don't want anything to do with that, it's awful, it's inherently un-Christian. It's toxic, it's abusive, it's not Christianity. Certainly not the Christianity that I know from my Bible, from Jesus, and from my reading and study of two thousand years of Christian history.

You shouldn't associate with that kind of "Christianity", nobody should. Nobody should be a victim of that kind of false religion.

Moralism has nothing to do with Christ. Legalism has nothing to do with Christ. Toxic spirituality and abusive religion has nothing to do with Christ.

The good thing, however, is that most churches don't come anywhere near any of that. Even most "conservative" churches. Even churches which, for other reasons, I wouldn't personally attend or be part of (for theological reasons chiefly) aren't anything like that.

But it is precisely because these types of churches exist, that this kind of ugly fundamentalism exists, that it is all the more important that we, as believers in the Lord, are part of good and healthy communities of faith. That we are encouraged and share life together with, and receive God's Word and Sacraments, in the context of a loving, free, grace-filled community where we can not only grow in our faith, but we can grow in our faith together.

There are a lot of weeds out there, but there are also so many beautiful wildflowers.

-CryptoLutheran

If I was Satan, I would want to do everything I could to promote fake Christian churches like this. They appeal to the sinful desire to puff oneself up with religious pride while looking down on those who do not observe your tenets on things like soda pop or playing cards.

Those on the outside who do not know God at all notice stuff like this. And it becomes a barrier for them entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

Some people may think that I have fallen away because I don't attend church like I used to. But the truth is I have never left. I have a new sense of discernment that I did not have before. Some of those who might claim that I have left are really those who never really belonged to Jesus in the first place, even though they attend a toxic church assembly religiously.
 
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If I was Satan, I would want to do everything I could to promote fake Christian churches like this. They appeal to the sinful desire to puff oneself up with religious pride while looking down on those who do not observe your tenets on things like soda pop or playing cards.
Yeah, speaking of playing cards, I saw some YouTube video going viral of a so-called pastor saying how Pokemon cards were another name for "pocket demons"? lol.

It's laughable.

It's like these types are trying to suck the fun/air out of the room.

It's equivalent to people on social media who are trying to find a reason to be offended by anything.
 
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Yeah, speaking of playing cards, I saw some YouTube video going viral of a so-called pastor saying how Pokemon cards were another name for "pocket demons"? lol.

It's laughable.

It's like these types are trying to suck the fun/air out of the room.

It's equivalent to people on social media who are trying to find a reason to be offended by anything.
Not to go too off track here, but what I find interesting is how far this dynamic now extends into the secular sphere. The Karens (and Kevins), the SJWs, and the anti-theists of today are the same ilk that drove the "Satanic panic" in the '80s and called Harry Potter evil in the '90s. They just don't have the name of Christianity to hide behind. Instead, they hide behind the names of other social movements. Rather than their high horse being religion, their high horse is now often a lack of religion.

It's a kind of a perverse moralism of the busybody. Unlike morality that has sound reasoning, an inward focus, and observable effects on the nitty-gritty daily routines of life. Virtue signaling, on the other hand, seeks to exaggerate or create problems where there are none for the purpose of social climbing. This dynamic knows no cultural or religious boundaries. It is its own thing.

The Church may have an opportunity here. If individual churches decline to the extent that enough of the Karen types also leave, or find a better way to deal with the Karen types, ordinary believers who stopped attending may eventually decide to return. Would you rather go to a church comprised of people who have better things to do with their time than getting into other people's business, act "holier than thou" to each other, and virtue signaling? I think most of us would.
 
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The Church may have an opportunity here. If individual churches decline to the extent that enough of the Karen types also leave, or find a better way to deal with the Karen types, ordinary believers who stopped attending may eventually decide to return. Would you rather go to a church comprised of people who have better things to do with their time than getting into other people's business, act "holier than thou" to each other, and virtue signaling? I think most of us would.

I dated a woman that came from a small town in Nebraska where she attended church as a child with family, however, with it being a small town, people got up in your business a lot, so they stopped going.

She's a 40-something adult now, and I think she identified as "agnostic"? But I don't think she is really as I think "agnostic" is the end-result of what I just mentioned.

Also, many kids go off to college, and never set foot in a church again, or much later in life (if they get married)...because a major shift happened. I mean, college is a whole different animal.

I noticed the "townies" that stay home to continue to work in their mom and dad's businesses, tend to continue the church-going mantle obviously.
I met a Judaic Christian at a Meetup event, and when we added each other as friends on FB, she told me about how she was kicked out of church...but it was her side of the story...when really, she was just belligerent.

I knew of a rather temporary church singles group that got together that a church allowed to borrow a room to meet in, but...never sponsored them. It's as if they didnt want to have much to do with it. The male and female leads of that group had a thing going on, but it was one-sided...he was a love sick puppy, but she friend zoned him...and he left and never came back.

The group eventually dissolved.

Later on, I saw her on Plenty of Fish. I sent her a message saying, "Hi there, long time no see....not many options in SALT?" and I think that's when she told me they stopped having meetings/gatherings.

Looked her up later on Facebook, and saw she gotten married. (not to the guy she friend zoned)
She was a deal breaker, because she was a young late 20-something with 3 kids.
 
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I would not. I like going to church. If she doesn’t want to, there’ll probably be issues.
I believe she will be a regular church attendee. The kind I would like is very passionate. She wouldn't miss it. She views God as her first-love & therefore called to be involved in it as well as to the best of her ability, not necessarily being able to get those same opportunities not involved in a church. I say 'best of her abilty' for a reason. I certainly wouldn't expect her to be perfect.
 
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Christianity is more than just going to church. I've met plenty of cult attendees that go to church promptly every Sunday, and i've met the most genuine believers that don't often attend.

Jesus pointed out the difference between Pharisees and the common man, the Pharisees were strictly religious on the outside (Matthew 23:27-28) while tax collectors and sinners were said to be entering the kingdom of Heaven(Matthew 21:31).

I personally watch online. If you're a true christian you will be able to tell based on fruit if that person you want to date is a christian, not just church attendance.

church has been often associated with an image one needs to fulfill. I went through this growing up and it made me hate and resent church as a whole and hence, to this day, I do not go. My dad wanted to always have the whole family sit together, would actually pull us out of church to beat one of us if he saw us not singing. It rubbed me so hard the wrong way.
 
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church has been often associated with an image one needs to fulfill. I went through this growing up and it made me hate and resent church as a whole and hence, to this day, I do not go. My dad wanted to always have the whole family sit together, would actually pull us out of church to beat one of us if he saw us not singing. It rubbed me so hard the wrong way.
sad brother i'm sorry that happened. What helps me is watching online and spending quality time with Jesus on walks. If you treat Jesus like your best friend He will make your relationship all the better. We don't necesaarily get points for going to church, it is good for some but Jesus knows why we do and do not do things. He understands.

Reminds me of the verse that goes something like this: "you search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, but it is they that testify about me!"
 
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Simple answer: No.

I am single, though somewhat in my older stage of life, did want to get married, did not want to get married, now I'm 'open' to the idea.

This is just my personal opinion, I'm not saying I'm correct and anyone who says otherwise is wrong - it's just my stance.

But, if a potential mate, though she claims to be a Christian, does not, or does not believe in going to church or being part of a church/Christian community, then I would not go any further in the relationship until that is resolve.

I believe being part of a Christian community, a church, is vital to a Christian walk, if a potential mate does not share that belief, there will be trouble ahead.
 
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