SCOTUS Strikes Down Affirmative Action

[JustOneWay]

If the Supreme Court wants people to get in based on merit, now they need to ban legacy admissions.

 

[JustOneWay]

Using discrimination to counter discrimination is a questionable approach in the first place, and it gets to be counterproductive after a while.

Yes, it is good to finally get back to straight up discrimination.

 

[JustOneWay]

Let us use the example of Harvard where whites consitute less than 40% of the student body.
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What is the racial makeup of Harvard?


As of Fall 2020, the ethnic breakdown of Harvard undergraduates is approximately 39.6% White, 27.5% Asian, 10.8% Hispanic/Latino, 9.3% African American, 2.2% Native American/Alaskan Native/Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and 10.6% mixed-race or unknown (Data acquired from the Harvard College).May 4, 2023
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IMO, the issue is NOT that colleges are not forced to take enough black students. Colleges are very mixed in most parts of the country. The issue is that colleges are for the RICH. Many, many of the black students are Harvard are from rich families. Having quotas that favor Barrack's and Michelle's students is NOT the answer.

If colleges were biased in favor of admitting poor students (especially poor urban students) and giving them scholarships, the result would be a HIGHER percentage of blacks. Obviously, removing the almost automatic admission of legacy students would be a step forward.
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"More than one-third of Harvard’s outgoing freshman class reports that a relative also attended the college, according to The Harvard Crimson."

“It seems like an unwarranted and unfair advantage,” Eric Olvera tells Teen Vogue. Eric was just accepted to Harvard on a full-tuition scholarship. “The merits of a parent, or other relative, shouldn’t be the merits of a prospective student,” he says.

He acknowledges benefiting from admissions biases toward minorities, but he says legacy admissions illustrate preferences of an unnecessary breed: “affirmative action for the wealthy.”

Here's Why Legacy Admissions Are an "Unwarranted and Unfair Advantage"

“The daughters and sons of Harvard College alumni/ae may receive an additional look.”

www.teenvogue.com

 

[Truth7t7]

If the Supreme Court wants people to get in based on merit, now they need to ban legacy admissions.

I fully agree, legacy admission is catering to the wealthy and elite, but there is no law that would suppress favoritism based upon $$$ to my knowledge?

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[Truth7t7]

"More than one-third of Harvard’s outgoing freshman class reports that a relative also attended the college, according to The Harvard Crimson."

“It seems like an unwarranted and unfair advantage,” Eric Olvera tells Teen Vogue. Eric was just accepted to Harvard on a full-tuition scholarship. “The merits of a parent, or other relative, shouldn’t be the merits of a prospective student,” he says.

He acknowledges benefiting from admissions biases toward minorities, but he says legacy admissions illustrate preferences of an unnecessary breed: “affirmative action for the wealthy.”

Here's Why Legacy Admissions Are an "Unwarranted and Unfair Advantage"

“The daughters and sons of Harvard College alumni/ae may receive an additional look.”

www.teenvogue.com

Don't forget those involved in sports scholarships, that get special treatment for admissions?

Many don't have the grades to attend a community college?

 

[JustOneWay]

I fully agree, legacy admission is catering to the wealthy and elite, but there is no law that would suppress favoritism based upon $$$ to my knowledge?

Favoritism based on color - bad. Favoritism based on $$$ - the American way.

Look at Hunter Biden, he's given a slap on the wrist with misdemeanor charges from his dad's DOJ, for crimes others would spend in prison

Untrue, but I imagine all those others who do spend time in prison probably did not have thousands of their pictures, including compromising ones posted online.

 

[Yttrium]

If you graduated from high school, you know affirmative action laws were created because employers, schools, and everyone else was discriminating on the single basis of a person's skin color and without it no black or brown people would have any opportunities to go to schools and get jobs. If you want people to work hard for at least four years, you want affirmative action because that is the only way they will get jobs and college scholarships throughout the South and parts of Midwest.

There is not reason not to want black and brown people to get a college education and living wage job. That requires being accepted as a member of a "colorblind" society (one that does not care what color anybody's skin is). Sadly, racial discrimination continues to exist for many black and brown people. So we have no choice but to take affirmative action until racial discrimination permanently ends.

All good arguments. But again, it's not the role of the Supreme Court to decide based on such arguments. They need to make decisions based on the Constitution. We need to find ways to prevent discrimination on the basis of skin color that don't themselves discriminate on the basis of skin color.

 

[durangodawood]

I'm conflicted on this because.

A. people are absolutely still suffering from the awful effects of systemic racism.

B. Its bad in principle to effect systems of racial discrimination.

 

[Hammster]

What we are seeing time and time again is the Supreme Court of the United States does not care what is best for the American people if it is dominated by conservative justices. Affirmative action is the only way thousands of black and brown students can get into 4-year colleges. What the Supreme Court wants to do is go back to the bad old days when 100% of college students were rich white men.

No, I do not believe high school students should be accepted at colleges just because they are black or brown. But this racist ruling means they lost their chances at equal opportunities because of systemic racial discrimination in lower education, housing, child care, and employment. To make sure everyone has an equal opportunity of going to college, we first need to solve the problems that forced Congress to make affirmative actions laws in the 1960s.

Do you understand that affirmative action has kept white kids out of their preferred universities because they have the wrong skin color?

 

[Hammster]

Only to white people.

Do you want everyone else to have zero chance of qualifying for college because of racial discrimination?

Lol.

 

[Hammster]

Many provisions in the Constitution are what is best for the American people. One of them is the Equal Protection clause in the 14th Amendment. Is affirmative action not equal protection?

That amendment protects white kids, too.

 

[Hammster]

Any decision that prevents Americans who deserve to go to college and get living wage jobs obviously is racist.

Nobody deserves to go to college. That’s liberal thinking.

 

[Hammster]

If the Supreme Court wants people to get in based on merit, now they need to ban legacy admissions.

Is there a lawsuit?

 

[durangodawood]

Is there a lawsuit?

Hopefully there will be.

 

[JustOneWay]

Is there a lawsuit?

I give up. Is there a lawsuit?

 

[Hammster]

I give up. Is there a lawsuit?

I don’t know. But unless there is, SCOTUS can’t make a ruling.

 

[JustOneWay]

Nobody deserves to go to college. That’s liberal thinking.

Correct. Nobody deserves higher education except the rich who can afford it. America!

 

[Truth7t7]

I give up. Is there a lawsuit?

If a university breaks the law in its admissions practices, a law suit can be persued

 

[Truth7t7]

Correct. Nobody deserves higher education except the rich who can afford it. America!

He who has the Gold rules, that's the Golden rule

 

[Truth7t7]

So? I will not get into another meaningless exchange of posts with you.

Hammsters exchange was meaningful, why would you claim otherwise?