the Mar-a-Lago raid was "good" if Trump was iactually showing attack plans to people without clearance

[perplexed]

Many were outraged by the FBI of Mar-a-Lago , However if Trump was actually showing attack plans to people without clearance I would argue the raid and indictment are "good" because they would be the only way to stop Trump doing the wrong thing.
Counter arguments welcome.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Many were outraged by the FBI of Mar-a-Lago , However if Trump was actually showing attack plans to people without clearance I would argue the raid and indictment are "good" because they would be the only way to stop Trump doing the wrong thing.
Counter arguments welcome.

I concur. Maybe we can get to understand his intent in taking them, lying about having them, and hiding them.

 

[Blade]

" However if Trump was actually showing attack plans ". Did we forget they had seen all of it when they asked president to put another lock on it. Oh then all the agents there and those that guard it. The left go nuts yet.. we don't know what Biden had lying around or stored other places and? That parts ok! What we hear from the left is when we ask about Biden "ooh look over there...orange man bad".

Tray Gowdy "if justice is still blind". Go watch him 6 years ago talk about how crimes were done yet no justice "if justice is still blind". Like hearing Tray talk about what Adam Schiff said he saw "I saw everything Adam did and there is nothing there". Yet Schiff went on TV for almost two years saying he saw the proof! Adam is still there lied so many times and in front of congress yet? Orange man bad. No one else...

 

[SimplyMe]

" However if Trump was actually showing attack plans ". Did we forget they had seen all of it when they asked president to put another lock on it. Oh then all the agents there and those that guard it. The left go nuts yet.. we don't know what Biden had lying around or stored other places and? That parts ok! What we hear from the left is when we ask about Biden "ooh look over there...orange man bad".

Tray Gowdy "if justice is still blind". Go watch him 6 years ago talk about how crimes were done yet no justice "if justice is still blind". Like hearing Tray talk about what Adam Schiff said he saw "I saw everything Adam did and there is nothing there". Yet Schiff went on TV for almost two years saying he saw the proof! Adam is still there lied so many times and in front of congress yet? Orange man bad. No one else...

If you read the indictment, you'll learn that your claims are false. They did not have all of it in that room; per the indictment Trump had removed boxes prior. Nor were there any agents there "that guard it." Additionally, this "secure room" routinely had various Mar-A-Lago workers entering the room, with no escort, no security clearance, etc -- the room was never really secured. Trump intentionally hid documents, misled his lawyers so that they would lie for him, etc. It is also why, when the FBI performed the search of Mar-A-Lago, they found classified documents in many rooms, not just in the room that Trump claimed he would put a better lock on.

 

[perplexed]

Orange man bad. No one else...

So if you were give the power to stop Trump sharing attack plans you would not use it ?

 

[USincognito]

" However if Trump was actually showing attack plans ". Did we forget they had seen all of it when they asked president to put another lock on it. Oh then all the agents there and those that guard it. The left go nuts yet.. we don't know what Biden had lying around or stored other places and? That parts ok! What we hear from the left is when we ask about Biden "ooh look over there...orange man bad".

Tray Gowdy "if justice is still blind". Go watch him 6 years ago talk about how crimes were done yet no justice "if justice is still blind". Like hearing Tray talk about what Adam Schiff said he saw "I saw everything Adam did and there is nothing there". Yet Schiff went on TV for almost two years saying he saw the proof! Adam is still there lied so many times and in front of congress yet? Orange man bad. No one else...

You haven't read the indictment, have you?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

You haven't read the indictment, have you?

For some devotees, the indictment does not matter.

 

[okay]

The history of this whole mess is well documented.

Trump illegally took both unclassified and classified documents with him when he left office.

The archives knew that there were missing unclassified documents ( hard to forget Trumps fake storm prediction he sharpied on a map because he somehow cannot admit he made a mistake).

After months of meetings between the archives and Trunps folks, some boxes were finally turned over. The archives found almost 200 classified documents, but also knew there were still unclassified documents Trump was still illegally witholding.

Had trump returned all secret material once the archivess noticed them, he never would have been prosecuted.

Then the government gets a subpena to obtain the remaining documents. Trump hands over more boxed, claims that is all of them, but still does not turn everything over. Had he turned over all of the documents at this point, he probably would not be prosecuted. But he doesn’t.

Finally there is a search warrant obtained through a legitimate process, and that search warrant is executed. More classified documents are found.

Regardless of whether trump was deliberately showing the material to people, the search warrant was legit. Trump was violating the espionage act by refusing to hand over classified material that he was holding illegally. Many people could have obtained access to those documents - we may never know who all has seen or perhaps even taken photos of them. Hopefully zero. He was given several oppotunities to come clean, but he refused.

If the evidence holds up that Trump was showing the material to people, then that just adds to the counts in the indictment.
The people that defend his actions clearly believe Trump should be above the law. I wonder if they really want a democracy, or would prefer some other form of government - such as one where the president can singlehandedly throw out the results of a free and fair election and just stay in power.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If the evidence holds up that Trump was showing the material to people, then that just adds to the counts in the indictment.

Stephanie Grisham, former Trump White House Press Secretary and Communications Director, joins Alex Witt to discuss new reports that Trump's 2024 campaign aide Susie Wiles has been identified as the key witness in classified docs indictment and why the former president's lack of respect for classified information is so dangerous. "I watched him show documents to people at Mar-a-Lago on the dining room patio," Grisham says. "He has no respect for classified information [and] never did."

 

[variant]

The FBI warrant was good because Trump was keeping classified documents at his house and refusing to give them back when asked repeatedly.