Genesis 6:1-4, Sons of God, Giants in the earth, (Nephilim) are not angles who had relations with daughters of men!

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I disagree.

Jesus said,

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39) (KJB).The apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:

1 Corinthians 15:39-40 (KJB)

39 “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory ofthe celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. “
Paul defines how there are different kinds of flesh, and he does not say there is a celestial flesh. Flesh is identified as men, and animals which differ from one another. These are terrestrial (or earthly) beings. Celestial bodies (like angels) have one glory and the terrestrial (earthly inhabitants) is another kind of glory. They are not said that they can be mixed.

A glorified body is not taught in the Scriptures. Philippians 3:21 is not saying we will be changed to have a glorified body because Jesus has a glorified body. There is no such thing. The verse simply says Jesus has a glorious body. One can say that a professional model who works out and who is super toned up has a glorious body. That does not mean they have a glorified body. Jesus still had the nail prints in his hands for Thomas to see and feel. To make Jesus out to have a glorified body is to make the body of Jesus into being similar to the Nephilim (Which would be the result of having a body that is hybrid both flesh and spirit).

Speaking of Jesus, Hebrews 7:25 (KJB) says,

”…he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
Jesus says,

”I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold,I am alive for evermore,” (Revelation 1:18) (KJB).
How else will the valley of dry bones be resurrected again?
It will be by the power of the resurrection of Christ and they will have the same flesh that Jesus does.

”Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” (John 11:24).

Side Note:

There are two different types of resurrections that should not be confused.
The resurrection which takes place in the “Caught Up Together” event (Rapture) is a spiritual body resurrection where the saints will be like that of angels. But this is temporary. After the 1,000 year reign of Christ, New Jerusalem will come down out of Heaven on the New Earth, and the raptured saints will receive their flesh and blood bodies in the likeness of Jesus. It is the same glorious body that He had before the cross during His earthly ministry (with the exception that there will be the nail prints, etcetera).

While there are other clues in Scripture, the two resurrections are alluded to by His words here:

”For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” (Matthew 22:30-32).

The words in blue mentioned above in Matthew 22 is in reference to the Rapture of the saints out of Abraham’s bosom and those who are still alive on the Earth. They will have the body like that of angels. The words in red in Matthew 22 is in reference to the physical flesh and blood resurrection that all saints will eventually have in time upon the New Earth.

We know Jesus was not raised in the flesh because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, 1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV. Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven, therefore he cannot have a body of flesh. Glorified body or glorious body, Jesus no longer possess the fleshly body he had on earth. He was raised a Spiritual body, 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV, a glorious body. The glory here is speaking of the glory of his spiritual body.

The word glory is used in expressing that thing it’s referring to. For example there is a glory of man, 1 Corinthians 11:7 KJV, Gods creation being perfect, fashioned by the hands of God gloriously.

You missed very important scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15 about the resurrection of the dead. The resurrected man is sown in corruption, and raised in incorruption 1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV. The resurrected is sown a natural body (flesh) and raised a spiritual body.

You highlighted this in your post: spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39) (KJB).

You are tried to explain that Jesus spirit was of some sort of flesh using 1 Corinthians 15:39-40 KJV. You have completely misquoted these scriptures. If you will notice, later on in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 KJV, which is letting us know that when we are resurrected, we will bare the image of the heavenly, that is spiritual, upon resurrection. Our resurrection will be the same as Jesus resurrection.

We will be changed into the same spiritual or glorious body Jesus has,
Romans 8:11 KJV, “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
Philippians 3:21 KJV, “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

You said:
How else will the valley of dry bones be resurrected again?
It will be by the power of the resurrection of Christ and they will have the same flesh that Jesus does. True, the dry bones will be raised by the power of the resurrected Christ, but Christ does not posses flesh.

again, Jesus was not raised flesh. Just because he showed Thomas his scars does not mean Jesus had a fleshly body. Jesus had already ascended into Heaven at the time he greeted Thomas, John 20:17 KJV, and we know flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. Whatever type of body Jesus had, it was of spirit and incorruptible; unlike the flesh of man.

When Jesus showed Thomas the wounds on his hands and feet, Jesus was performing various signs for the disciples, John 20:30 KJV, which correlates with how he appeared to his disciples and what he showed Thomas, John 20:27-30 KJV. So showing Thomas his wounds, was a sign Jesus performed for the sake of helping Thomas faith. Not that Jesus actual body was flesh.


You said: The words in blue mentioned above in Matthew 22 is in reference to the Rapture of the saints out of Abraham’s bosom and those who are still alive on the Earth. They will have the body like that of angels. The words in red in Matthew 22 is in reference to the physical flesh and blood resurrection that all saints will eventually have in time upon the New Earth.

First those that were in Abraham’s bosom resurrected at Jesus resurrection. Those were the graves that were opened, Matthew 27:52-53 KJV. The Old Testament ended upon Jesus death and those who died under the Old Testament were raised with Jesus. Then the New Testament came in. The old is not mixed with the new.

You have misunderstood the verse “but are as the angels of God in heaven” Matthew 22:30 KJV. Jesus is simple saying those resurrected will have spiritual bodies just like the angels have spiritual bodies. He is saying those of spirit don’t marry. You are not considering what the scripture is saying. All in heaven has spiritual bodies, God, Jesus, the saints, the angels, and those in spiritual bodies do not marry. Jesus was not saying we will be raised in bodies like the angels to look like them. Look at some of the descriptions of angels in Ezekiel. Jesus was saying raised in a spiritual body that cannot die like the angels.

 

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The words in red in Matthew 22 is in reference to the physical flesh and blood resurrection that all saints will eventually have in time upon the New Earth.

You are saying Matthew 22:30-32 KJV is saying all saints will eventually have flesh and blood bodies in New Earth! So you are saying the saints will go from flesh then raised spirit, then back to flesh in New Earth. That cannot be because the flesh is corruptible and can die; it cannot live forever. Only the incorruptible body cannot die, and will live forever, which has to be a spiritual body. Once spiritual, you cannot turn back to flesh, 1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:46 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:49 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:53-56 KJV.

You have not considered any of the scriptures above.

Matthew 22:32 KJV. You are not understanding this scripture and think it’s talking about flesh and blood bodies. This scripture is speaking of the two covenants, the old covenant, and the new covenant.

God being the God of the living is saying the new covenant that leads to life and Liberty in Christ Jesus was made with Abraham, his son Isaac, and issac’s son Jacob - and through Abraham would come the blessed Saviour, “He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” Galatians 3:16 KJV. Amen! And we are resurrected unto new life. God is their God and Father because He is the God of the living.

God not being the God of the dead is referring to the Mosaic law under the old covenant that leads to death. Jesus death on the cross, and the law being nailed to the cross has freed us from the law of sin death, Romans 8:2 KJV. Those without Christ are resurrected unto death. God is not their God because He is not the God of the dead.

How are you defining the new earth and will those in the thousand year millennium period be on the new earth? Because those people in the millennium are still alive and are flesh and blood, however the saints who has risen already and have spiritual bodies like Christ will reign with Christ throughout the millennium period - they will reign over the flesh and blood people in the millennium. It is those flesh and blood beings in the millennium whose body will need to be transformed into spiritual bodies like Christ. These people will have to go back to sacrificing animals Ezekiel 44:11 KJV, for their sins in the temple. Read Ezekiel 40-48 KJV. Why? Because Jesus is no longer in heaven on the right hand of Father advocating for sins. He has descended heaven and sits on King David throne, Luke 1:32 KJV, Revelation 6:16 KJV.

When Jesus returns, He will come with ten thousand of his saints, Jude 1:14 KJV, who will rule with him in the millennium, 1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV, Revelation 20:4 KJV, Daniel 7:27 KJV.

It’s only those alive during the millennium who will need to be changed from flesh to spiritual in order to possess New Jerusalem when it comes down as a bride, Revelation 21:2 KJV.

 

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Before you were saying it was the Father who has possession of the soul

No, you were saying that not me. I have told you repeatedly you are not understanding what I am saying then you turn around and say I am making such and such a claim when in reality I'm not. It is your interpretation of what I'm saying that is wrong again and again.

It's not rocket science. To look upon the Lord Jesus Christ is to see the Father. To hear Him speak is to hear the Father.

John 14:8-9
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be content.” 9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

God (Deity) is Spirit. Jn.4:24 The Son (Deity and man, Spirit and Soul) makes the Father known. It is impossible to see or hear the Father apart from the Son.

Verse 5 is a change in who is speaking (Which would be YHWH - The I AM in Exodus 3 and John 8).
If you want to have your mind blown in regards to YWHW (LORD), check out this video here:

There is no indication of a change of speaker.

 

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No, you were saying that not me. I have told you repeatedly you are not understanding what I am saying then you turn around and say I am making such and such a claim when in reality I'm not. It is your interpretation of what I'm saying that is wrong again and again.

It's not rocket science. To look upon the Lord Jesus Christ is to see the Father. To hear Him speak is to hear the Father.

John 14:8-9
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be content.” 9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

I am not in disagreement with one seeing the Father, when they see the Son because they are one. But… Jesus also says that no man has seen the Father, too. Also, Jesus says to the Father, not my will but thy will be done. This was said after Jesus desired if there be some other way. But the other way did not happen (even though He desired it - which shows a distinctions in wills or desires). Jesus took the cup of our sins in the garden as a part of going to the cross. The Father sent the Son down from heaven to die for our sins and it was not the Father being sent by the Son. Jesus was obedient to the Father unto death and it was not the Father being obedient to the Son unto death.

The disciples did not have the Holy Spirit living inside them until after Christ was risen.
Jesus prayed to the Father so as to give His disciples another Comforter (John 14:16).
Yet, Jesus taught that the Father and Himself could abide (or make their home) inside the disciples during His earthly ministry if they kept His commandments.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23).

One can speak bad words (curse words) against Jesus and be forgiven, and yet this is not the case if one does so with the Holy Spirit (See: Matthew 12:31-32).

In Genesis, God says, let us make man in our image, and our likeness.

So there are clear distinctions in the Godhead and or a plurality to God even though He is one God in substance or number.

Do you believe in Modalism?

There is no indication of a change of speaker.

The Lord our God is also referred to as the Godhead (Trinity).
The Godhead (Trinity) is from everlasting to everlasting.
But when God speaks in the Bible, there are distinctions made between the different persons of the Godhead at times.

Isaiah 42:1-3 is actually referenced in the New Testament as a fulfillment by Jesus Christ, so there is no escaping that this servant in Isaiah 42 is Jesus.

Matthew 12:15-21
15 “But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”

This would mean that it is God the Father who delights in His servant (Jesus) as I said before.

Verse 1-4 is about God the Father talking about Jesus.

As for Isaiah 42:5:

Well, after recently looking again at Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 44:6, and Isaiah 44:8, and seeing that there is no God or Savior besides (or next to) the LORD, we can conclude that Isaiah at this point is referring to the Godhead or Trinity (i.e. all three persons of God). (Note: When Jesus says He is the I AM in both John 8, and Revelation, He is making a claim to deity as a part of the entire triune Godhead - See: 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible).

Verse 5 is merely the change of the the whole triune GOD about to speak which begins in verse 6.
In verse 5: The prophet Isaiah lets us know that this triune GOD is about to speak while he also gives us an introduction of the Godhead’s divine abilities. But verse 6 begins the dialogue of the LORD or the Trinity.

I hope this helps.

May the LORD GOD bless you and your family (even if we disagree on this point in Scripture).

 

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Keep in mind.,. The Deity of Christ is ONE with the Father. His own Deity is pleased with His own Humanity!

Jesus came to earth as a servant, as a man. He was not here being as God. But, as the perfect Man of God!
He was the prototype for Christians to emulate and imitate as its been portioned to them by grace. For He
was being the author and finisher of OUR faith! What we are to walk in.

Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God ​

a thing to be grasped/seized, but emptied himself, by taking the form of ​

a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human ​

form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, ​

even death on a cross.​

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Philippians 2:6-8​

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grace and peace ................​

I believe Jesus only suppressed His divine attribute of "having all knowledge" or His "Omniscience" (Which took place sometime before the world came into being). This is what I believe the "glory" that Jesus spoke of that He wished to share in again with the Father before the world existed in John 17:5. For Habakkuk 2:14 says, "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Also see 2 Corinthians 4:6.

The NLT is heretically wrong for saying that Jesus gave up His divine privileges In Philippians 2:7.
I believe the KJB that says, “But made himself of no reputation” is the true accurate rendering here.

Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry:

1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).​

2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.​

3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).​

4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).​

5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).​

6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.​

Note: Please do not reply without looking at each of these verses above in the King James Bible and by comparing it with a Modern Translation. Ask the Lord our God for the understanding on these verses above before you read them. If you do, and you believe what these verses say plainly at face value, I know you will conclude that Jesus had power during His earthly ministry.

As for the Father and Spirit doing miracles through Jesus:

We know the Father did works (miracles) through Jesus (John 14:8-12). We know Jesus cast out devils and healed others by the working of the Spirit (Matthew 12:22-32). But this is not in conflict with Jesus having His own power as God as I have demonstrated by the verses above.

 

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We know Jesus was not raised in the flesh because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, 1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV.

Jesus does not need to inherit the Kingdom of God because Jesus is the Kingdom.

#1. Wherever the King is, there is the Kingdom. For you cannot have a Kingdom without a King.
This is precisely why Jesus says to the Pharisees, “The kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:21).

#2. Through his works, Jesus shows the power of the kingdom and his authority over the prince of darkness. As Jesus explains, “If it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you” (Luke 11:20).

#3. Jesus does not need to inherit the Kingdom because He already says He already is a part of the Kingdom. “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).

#4. As Christ returns to achieve final victory at the 2nd Coming, the name scribed on his body is “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Rev 19:16). At last, he places all his enemies under his feet as he launches a new creation kingdom that fully reflects his righteous reign (In the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).

#5. And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it. (Luke 23:3). This means Jesus is King before the cross and thus He has a Kingdom and therefore is the Kingdom of God because Jesus abides or makes His home inside His disciples who keep His commandments (John 14:23).

Source used:

10 Connections Between Jesus and the Kingdom of God

Phillip Bethancourt explains that the Kingdom of God was important to Jesus and examines ten ways He related to the Kingdom.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

(Important Note: Points 1-4 is from this article, and point 5 is my own. While I agree with this article, I do not agree with their teaching on Calvinism. In fact, I find all five points of Calvinism to be unbiblical).

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven, therefore he cannot have a body of flesh.

That’s your thinking and not a Scripture verse.

Glorified body or glorious body,

Again, I have already demonstrated that these two words are not the same.

Jesus no longer possess the fleshly body he had on earth. He was raised a Spiritual body, 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV, a glorious body. The glory here is speaking of the glory of his spiritual body.

Actually, this would be verse 44, and not verse 45.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”

But this is in context to our resurrection and not the resurrection of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:42
”So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:”

The word glory is used in expressing that thing it’s referring to. For example there is a glory of man, 1 Corinthians 11:7 KJV, Gods creation being perfect, fashioned by the hands of God gloriously.

Out of context. 1 Corinthians 11:7 is saying that man is currently in the image of God while he is even on the Earth.

You missed very important scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15 about the resurrection of the dead. The resurrected man is sown in corruption, and raised in incorruption 1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV. The resurrected is sown a natural body (flesh) and raised a spiritual body.

Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Created humans are not God like Jesus is. Jesus was, and is, and always will be the King and thus He is of the Kingdom and does not need to inherit the Kingdom. It’s talking about the inheritance rule and not about if somebody already is King over that Kingdom.

You highlighted this in your post: spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39) (KJB).

You did not really address this verse in how it destroys your current belief. Jesus said He has flesh and bones. He said a spirit does not have flesh and blood as ye see me have. So Jesus is saying He is not just solely spirit (Which is what you falsely believe).

You are tried to explain that Jesus spirit was of some sort of flesh using 1 Corinthians 15:39-40 KJV. You have completely misquoted these scriptures. If you will notice, later on in 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 KJV, which is letting us know that when we are resurrected, we will bare the image of the heavenly, that is spiritual, upon resurrection. Our resurrection will be the same as Jesus resurrection.

Nowhere does 1 Corinthians 15 say that Jesus will be resurrected with a spiritual body. It only says that Jesus is the Lord from Heaven and we will bear the image of the Heavenly in that the saints who are raptured will have a spiritual body, which will be a body of angels. Scripture says we will be like the angels. Yet, Scripture also says Jesus did not take on the nature of angels. So you are not rightly dividing.

We will be changed into the same spiritual or glorious body Jesus has,
Romans 8:11 KJV, “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
Philippians 3:21 KJV, “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

Romans 8:11 does not refer to any new glorified body.

Philippians 3:21 does not say glorified body. It says glorious body. Two different concepts and ideas there. But you are jumping the shark to fit a conclusion that you have already placed in your mind.

You said:
How else will the valley of dry bones be resurrected again?
It will be by the power of the resurrection of Christ and they will have the same flesh that Jesus does. True, the dry bones will be raised by the power of the resurrected Christ, but Christ does not posses flesh.

This is not true. In Luke 24:39 Jesus clearly says He has flesh and bones, and He is not solely like a spirit alone.

There is no point in continuing this discussion if you are not willing to believe the verses I have put forth to you.
So far you are making wild assumptions about certain verses and you are not believing other verses that refutes your belief.
You are making the body of Jesus out to be like one of the Nephilim.
But you don’t even believe the Scriptures on the plain teaching of the Nephilim, either.

I say this all in love (of course).
I am not really interested in going back and forth further on this topic.
I cannot force you to accept what the Bible says.
We can agree to disagree.

May God’s good ways shine upon you today.

 

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I believe Jesus only suppressed His divine attribute of "having all knowledge" or His "Omniscience" (Which took place sometime before the world came into being). This is what I believe the "glory" that Jesus spoke of that He wished to share in again with the Father before the world existed in John 17:5. For Habakkuk 2:14 says, "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Also see 2 Corinthians 4:6.

The NLT is heretically wrong for saying that Jesus gave up His divine privileges In Philippians 2:7.
I believe the KJB that says, “But made himself of no reputation” is the true accurate rendering here.

Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry:

1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).​

2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.​

3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).​

4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).​

5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).​

6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.​

Note: Please do not reply without looking at each of these verses above in the King James Bible and by comparing it with a Modern Translation. Ask the Lord our God for the understanding on these verses above before you read them. If you do, and you believe what these verses say plainly at face value, I know you will conclude that Jesus had power during His earthly ministry.

As for the Father and Spirit doing miracles through Jesus:

We know the Father did works (miracles) through Jesus (John 14:8-12). We know Jesus cast out devils and healed others by the working of the Spirit (Matthew 12:22-32). But this is not in conflict with Jesus having His own power as God as I have demonstrated by the verses above.

For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from ​

among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you." Acts 3:22​

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Jesus functioned as a prophet. That is why he spoke as God's mouthpiece in power!

And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Mat 21:11​

As far as retaining his powers of Deity/omniscience while being as a man?
You need to study the following... Luke 2:52

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"And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."​

Omniscience can not not grow in wisdom. God does not grow in favor with God!

Jesus truly became a man. He had to!
For only a prefect (sinless) man could be our perfect substitute while he hung on the Cross!

grace and peace to you brother....

 

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For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from ​

among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you." Acts 3:22​

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Jesus functioned as a prophet. That is why he spoke as God's mouthpiece in power!

And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Mat 21:11​

As far as retaining his powers of Deity/omniscience while being as a man?
You need to study the following... Luke 2:52

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"And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."​

Omniscience can not not grow in wisdom. God does not grow in favor with God!

Jesus truly became a man. He had to!
For only a prefect (sinless) man could be our perfect substitute while he hung on the Cross!

grace and peace to you brother....

Jesus is God.
For Him to give up natural divine abilities in Him being God means He is not God.

Anyways, you do not understand my position or belief involving the Incarnation. It was Luke 2:52 that led me to my belief concerning Jesus suppressing His Omniscience. SUPPRESSING of Omniscience. Jesus always has the natural ability of Omniscience because He is GOD. But to be like Adam, He had to put on a blindfold (so to speak). Therefore, seeing Jesus's Omniscience (to have all knowledge) was suppressed during the Incarnation, and therefore He could grow in wisdom and knowledge.

In other words, your belief wants me to think that when Clark Kent gave up his superpowers to be with Lois Lane, and yet He still can say he is Superman in his present life with Lois (while he is powerless). However, he is only Superman because he has superpowers. That is what makes him super. It is the same with Jesus being God. Jesus is not only human, but He is also 100% God. This means He has natural abilities as God. He even said so by the use of other words. Again, please go back and look at the verses I gave you. If not, then there is no real purpose in having a back-and-forth discussion (If you want to keep things all one-sided).

 

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Jesus does not need to inherit the Kingdom of God because Jesus is the Kingdom.

#1. Wherever the King is, there is the Kingdom. For you cannot have a Kingdom without a King.
This is precisely why Jesus says to the Pharisees, “The kingdom of God is in the midst of you” (Luke 17:21).

#2. Through his works, Jesus shows the power of the kingdom and his authority over the prince of darkness. As Jesus explains, “If it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you” (Luke 11:20).

#3. Jesus does not need to inherit the Kingdom because He already says He already is a part of the Kingdom. “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).

#4. As Christ returns to achieve final victory at the 2nd Coming, the name scribed on his body is “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Rev 19:16). At last, he places all his enemies under his feet as he launches a new creation kingdom that fully reflects his righteous reign (In the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ).

#5. And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it. (Luke 23:3). This means Jesus is King before the cross and thus He has a Kingdom and therefore is the Kingdom of God because Jesus abides or makes His home inside His disciples who keep His commandments (John 14:23).

Source used:

10 Connections Between Jesus and the Kingdom of God

Phillip Bethancourt explains that the Kingdom of God was important to Jesus and examines ten ways He related to the Kingdom.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

(Important Note: Points 1-4 is from this article, and point 5 is my own. While I agree with this article, I do not agree with their teaching on Calvinism. In fact, I find all five points of Calvinism to be unbiblical).


That’s your thinking and not a Scripture verse.



Again, I have already demonstrated that these two words are not the same.



Actually, this would be verse 44, and not verse 45.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”

But this is in context to our resurrection and not the resurrection of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:42
”So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:”



Out of context. 1 Corinthians 11:7 is saying that man is currently in the image of God while he is even on the Earth.



Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Created humans are not God like Jesus is. Jesus was, and is, and always will be the King and thus He is of the Kingdom and does not need to inherit the Kingdom. It’s talking about the inheritance rule and not about if somebody already is King over that Kingdom.



You did not really address this verse in how it destroys your current belief. Jesus said He has flesh and bones. He said a spirit does not have flesh and blood as ye see me have. So Jesus is saying He is not just solely spirit (Which is what you falsely believe).


Nowhere does 1 Corinthians 15 say that Jesus will be resurrected with a spiritual body. It only says that Jesus is the Lord from Heaven and we will bear the image of the Heavenly in that the saints who are raptured will have a spiritual body, which will be a body of angels. Scripture says we will be like the angels. Yet, Scripture also says Jesus did not take on the nature of angels. So you are not rightly dividing.


Romans 8:11 does not refer to any new glorified body.

Philippians 3:21 does not say glorified body. It says glorious body. Two different concepts and ideas there. But you are jumping the shark to fit a conclusion that you have already placed in your mind.



This is not true. In Luke 24:39 Jesus clearly says He has flesh and bones, and He is not solely like a spirit alone.

There is no point in continuing this discussion if you are not willing to believe the verses I have put forth to you.
So far you are making wild assumptions about certain verses and you are not believing other verses that refutes your belief.
You are making the body of Jesus out to be like one of the Nephilim.
But you don’t even believe the Scriptures on the plain teaching of the Nephilim, either.

I say this all in love (of course).
I am not really interested in going back and forth further on this topic.
I cannot force you to accept what the Bible says.
We can agree to disagree.

May God’s good ways shine upon you today.

You are absolutely correct. There is no point as you are way off base with scripture and at this point it does no good to go back and forth.

 

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You are absolutely correct. There is no point as you are way off base with scripture and at this point it does no good to go back and forth.

We both cannot be correct. I believe the Scripture supports me here, and you believe the same thing.
But really. You are not believing Jesus when He says that He has flesh and blood (Luke 24:39). You are doing the same thing with Genesis 6:4 in that the "sons of God" (angels - Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7) came into the daughters of men. You are not believing the plain meaning of the Bible because it does not appeal to your mind in what you want to be true. I just read these verses and believe them. You even said "giants" in Genesis 6 does not exactly mean "giants." So again, you are not believing the Bible as it is plainly written. Therein lies the difference between us.

 

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We both cannot be correct. I believe the Scripture supports me here, and you believe the same thing.
But really. You are not believing Jesus when He says that He has flesh and blood (Luke 24:39). You are doing the same thing with Genesis 6:4 in that the "sons of God" (angels - Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7) came into the daughters of men. You are not believing the plain meaning of the Bible because it does not appeal to your mind in what you want to be true. I just read these verses and believe them. You even said "giants" in Genesis 6 does not exactly mean "giants." So again, you are not believing the Bible as it is plainly written. Therein lies the difference between us.

Look, all I can say is God bless you! I recognize your commitment in expressing what you believe is bible truth. We sometimes can think we are right, but ultimately the Holy Spirit will clear up any confusion. That goes for me also. I have been wrong in the past, and it took time for the Holy Spirit to show me my error.

In this case I think I’m right, you think you are right. So by God’s grace and love, He will guide us into truth!

God bless you and keep studying. Pray for discernment as we all must do!

 

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Look, all I can say is God bless you! I recognize your commitment in expressing what you believe is bible truth. We sometimes can think we are right, but ultimately the Holy Spirit will clear up any confusion. That goes for me also. I have been wrong in the past, and it took time for the Holy Spirit to show me my error.

In this case I think I’m right, you think you are right. So by God’s grace and love, He will guide us into truth!

God bless you and keep studying. Pray for discernment as we all must do!

Grace and peace be unto you.

 

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I believe Jesus only suppressed His divine attribute of "having all knowledge" or His "Omniscience" (Which took place sometime before the world came into being).

He laid aside all Divine attributes not just His omniscience. If He hadn't, He would not have been able to die. God is eternal and unable to die.

 

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Do you believe in Modalism?

No.

But when God speaks in the Bible, there are distinctions made between the different persons of the Godhead at times

Of course there are distinctions made, God is Father, Son and Spirit but it is always the Son we hear and see for God (Diety) is spirit and spirit is like the wind you don't see it or hear it or feel it directly only it's effects. You need an interpreter. This is why the Son (the Word) is in the beginning. The soul of God is in the Word and we are made in His image and likeness.

Isaiah 42:1-3 is actually referenced in the New Testament as a fulfillment by Jesus Christ, so there is no escaping that this servant in Isaiah 42 is Jesus.

I've never said it wasn't about Jesus. Our disagreement is who is speaking. I say it is the pre-incarnate Lord Jesus Christ (Yahweh) conveying the Father's election of the Christ and God's pleasure in the humanity of Jesus.

 

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He laid aside all Divine attributes not just His omniscience. If He hadn't, He would not have been able to die. God is eternal and unable to die.

No. Jesus referred to his body as a temple. The temple that is created can perish but the Word of God (Jesus) inside cannot die because it is a part of the eternal Godhead. Besides, I already have listed biblical proof showing Jesus had power of His own during His earthly ministry. Please go back and look at those verses.

 

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I've never said it wasn't about Jesus. Our disagreement is who is speaking. I say it is the pre-incarnate Lord Jesus Christ (Yahweh) conveying the Father's election of the Christ and God's pleasure in the humanity of Jesus.

That’s overly complicated. That would be like saying there are triple secret agents in the Bible. You are over thinking it. I just read the verse and believe it plainly. I don’t have to come up with a work-around to defend an odd belief that is not spelled out in Scripture. Nowhere does the Bible teach what you’re talking about here. It is a hidden narrative. Nowhere does the Bible say that the Father is taking possession of Christ’s soul to speak and nor does it say Jesus is speaking on behalf of the Father and giving praise to Himself.

 

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Jesus is God.
For Him to give up natural divine abilities in Him being God means He is not God.

Anyways, you do not understand my position or belief involving the Incarnation. It was Luke 2:52 that led me to my belief concerning Jesus suppressing His Omniscience. SUPPRESSING of Omniscience. Jesus always has the natural ability of Omniscience because He is GOD. But to be like Adam, He had to put on a blindfold (so to speak). Therefore, seeing Jesus's Omniscience (to have all knowledge) was suppressed during the Incarnation, and therefore He could grow in wisdom and knowledge.

In other words, your belief wants me to think that when Clark Kent gave up his superpowers to be with Lois Lane, and yet He still can say he is Superman in his present life with Lois (while he is powerless). However, he is only Superman because he has superpowers. That is what makes him super. It is the same with Jesus being God. Jesus is not only human, but He is also 100% God. This means He has natural abilities as God. He even said so by the use of other words. Again, please go back and look at the verses I gave you. If not, then there is no real purpose in having a back-and-forth discussion (If you want to keep things all one-sided).

Jesus has TWO natures. Of which one is God.

 

[sawdust]

No. Jesus referred to his body as a temple. The temple that is created can perish but the Word of God (Jesus) inside cannot die because it is a part of the eternal Godhead.

He died because of our sin. Had nothing to do with His body being a temple. Our bodies are temples too but we still die because of the sin nature in our flesh. Death entered the world through sin.

Besides, I already have listed biblical proof showing Jesus had power of His own during His earthly ministry. Please go back and look at those verses.

Not denying he had the power. He never stopped being God but He never used the power/authority of His own Deity. He denied His right to be as God while on Earth. He relied solely on the Father's authority to act and did so in the power of the Holy Spirit. It is why He could say to His disciples you will do even greater things. Do you think any us could do greater things than Christ if anything He did while on Earth was on His own authority as God?

You are over thinking it.

Maybe you're just under thinking it or simply not understanding.

Nowhere does the Bible say that the Father is taking possession of Christ’s soul to speak

And once again I tell you I did not say that. That is YOUR interpretation of what I am saying and frankly, I'm getting a little bit tired of you ignoring my correction and continuing to repeat your error.

I think we're done here. You have a nice day.

 

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That’s overly complicated.

Not really .... That is.. Once you can understand the functions of the Two natures of Christ in union.

And, its not unscriptural to be complicated when the explanation requires it to be.

Paul had the same problem because of the nature of certain teachings that do need to get involved.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. ​

His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant ​

and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own ​

destruction." 2 Peter 3:16​

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Its not unbiblical for certain teachings to be hard to understand.
Even Peter thought Paul was hard to understand!

Is going to happen if the explanation requires it.

grace and peace ..................

 

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Not really .... That is.. Once you can understand the functions of the Two natures of Christ in union.

And, its not unscriptural to be complicated when the explanation requires it to be.

Paul had the same problem because of the nature of certain teachings that do need to get involved.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. ​

His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant ​

and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own ​

destruction." 2 Peter 3:16​

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Its not unbiblical for certain teachings to be hard to understand.
Even Peter thought Paul was hard to understand!

Is going to happen if the explanation requires it.

grace and peace ..................

Well, actually that is not the context of what Peter was talking about. See verse 15. People can easily distort Paul as teaching “Easy Believism” or a sin and still be saved type belief. Skip back and read 2 Peter 2:1 and 2 Peter 2:14.