Genesis 6:1-4, Sons of God, Giants in the earth, (Nephilim) are not angles who had relations with daughters of men!

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Looking at Jude 1:6: I will also stress to you that the angels who left their first estate or abode is referring to these fallen angels leaving their spiritual realm or estate so as to become human in order to mate with the daughters of men. So then it is not a matter of spirit trying to reproduce with flesh as being a problem then. Remember, Satan’s seed was going to put a hostility with the seed of the woman and that is what we see happen in Genesis 6 (Just three chapters later).

Jude 1:6 KJV
”And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

The Berean Literal Bible says,

”And the angels not having kept their own domain, but having abandoned the own dwelling, He keeps in eternal chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day;” (Jude 1:6) (BLB).

We see a punishment for what they did here by leaving their own domain (i.e., the spiritual realm).

No, people are translating this wrong. The sons of God are not angels.

 

[GenemZ]

Ok, well the rebellion of the sons of God says nothing with relation to the rebellion of Satan. The Bible doesn't suggest that these are the same events, though I would agree that Satan and the sons of God are all elohim.

The original rebellion of the angels began with Satan.

In Genesis 6 , that was a second fall of some of the angels. These angels lusted for the women and rebelled.

 

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The original rebellion of the angels began with Satan.

In Genesis 6 , that was a second fall of some of the angels. These angels lusted for the women and rebelled.

How do you know there was a second fall when the Bible does not say this.

 

[sawdust]

How do you know there was a second fall when the Bible does not say this.

Genesis 6 is the second fall but as you think there is nothing unusual happening here, you miss it. Why one would think that the seed of "men" should suddenly start producing "heroes" simply because they recognised women were beautiful, is beyond me. God told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply so nothing unusual about men and women marrying. On the other hand, angels and women marrying? That's bound to produce something quite unusual and worthy of being thrown in chains. (Jude v.6)

 

[biblelesson]

Looking at Jude 1:6: I will also stress to you that the angels who left their first estate or abode is referring to these fallen angels leaving their spiritual realm or estate so as to become human in order to mate with the daughters of men. So then it is not a matter of spirit trying to reproduce with flesh as being a problem then. Remember, Satan’s seed was going to put a hostility with the seed of the woman and that is what we see happen in Genesis 6 (Just three chapters later).

Jude 1:6 KJV
”And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

The Berean Literal Bible says,

”And the angels not having kept their own domain, but having abandoned the own dwelling, He keeps in eternal chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day;” (Jude 1:6) (BLB).

We see a punishment for what they did here by leaving their own domain (i.e., the spiritual realm).

These were not angels. Look at Genesis 6:4KJV, the verse is telling us these giants were “men” - “when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

The verse does not say the giants are angles, but men. Giant men, mighty men, men of renown, meaning status and position, and possibly wealth is the reasonable interpretation.

Giant = mighty, men of renown.

 

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These were not angels. Look at Genesis 6:4KJV, the verse is telling us these giants were “men” - “when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

The verse does not say the giants are angles, but men. Giant men, mighty men, men of renown, meaning status and position, and possibly wealth is the reasonable interpretation.

Giant = mighty, men of renown.

No. It says sons of God. Sons of God are described as angels in Job three times.

 

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These were not angels. Look at Genesis 6:4KJV, the verse is telling us these giants were “men” - “when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

The verse does not say the giants are angles, but men. Giant men, mighty men, men of renown, meaning status and position, and possibly wealth is the reasonable interpretation.

Giant = mighty, men of renown.

Also, we see angels appear as men before Abraham. We know two of them were angels that went to Sodom and Gomorrah to retrieve Lot and his family.

 

[GenemZ]

No, people are translating this wrong. The sons of God are not angels.

They were angels. Before man was created? Job 38: 4-7 tells us that the sons of God were present
to watch God forming the planet earth.

How could that be speaking of man who was created on the sixth day?

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone— while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Job 38:7 shows that there are two races of angels. Sons of God and Morning stars.

Lucifer was one of the light bearing angels "morning star."
Its why Isaiah 11:12a says the following about Lucifer (being a light bearer).

"How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning!"​

Mysteries are placed right before us... not to remain being hidden forever. Religious thinking tries to keep them buried.


grace and peace ...................

 

[biblelesson]

Genesis 6 is the second fall but as you think there is nothing unusual happening here, you miss it. Why one would think that the seed of "men" should suddenly start producing "heroes" simply because they recognised women were beautiful, is beyond me. God told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply so nothing unusual about men and women marrying. On the other hand, angels and women marrying? That's bound to produce something quite unusual and worthy of being thrown in chains. (Jude v.6)

You are misquoting Jude 6. Jude starting in verse 4 speaks of ungodly men of old, Jude 4 KJV, For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now if you will notice Jude gives various examples of the those people who have committed ungodly sins who God will punished.

Jude 5 KJV is an example of Israel being punished.
Jude 6 KjV is an example of the angels being punished
Jude 7 is an example of Sodom and Gomorrah being punished
Jude 8 goes on to explain further punishment on those filthy dreamers that defile the flesh, speak evil of dignitaries, etc.
Jude goes on and on about those who will be punished for their wickedness.

So how did you single out Jude 6 KJV to say these angels were the sons of God in Genesis 6 and not Satan and the angels thrown out of heaven?

 

[biblelesson]

They were angels. Before man was created? Job 38: 4-7 tells us that the sons of God were present
to watch God forming the planet earth.

How could that be speaking of man who was created on the sixth day?

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?​

Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!​

Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set,​

or who laid its cornerstone— while the morning stars sang together​

and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

Job 38:7 shows that there are two races of angels. Sons of God and Morning stars.

Lucifer was one of the light bearing angels "morning star."
Its why Isaiah 11:12a says the following about Lucifer (being a light bearer).

"How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning!"​

Mysteries are placed right before us... not to remain being hidden forever. Religious thinking tries to keep them buried.


grace and peace ...................

I’m not disputing that angels are also called the sons of God, however, the sons of God in Genesis 6 are not the angels. They are men, God’s creation on earth. Look at the genealogy of Jesus tracing all the way back to the creation of Adam being the son of God, Luke 3:38 KJV.

 

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Also, we see angels appear as men before Abraham. We know two of them were angels that went to Sodom and Gomorrah to retrieve Lot and his family.

This does not mean these angels were able to procreate. You are adding to things you don’t know about and to what the Bible has not told us.

 

[sawdust]

So how did you single out Jude 6 KJV to say these angels were the sons of God in Genesis 6 and not Satan and the angels thrown out of heaven?

Because it says they abandoned their habitation, not that they were thrown out of heaven. The angels of Jude v.6 went willingly. Satan and his third did not go willingly.

 

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This does not mean these angels were able to procreate. You are adding to things you don’t know about and to what the Bible has not told us.

I disagree. Sons of God are angels according to Job and both 2 Peter 2 and Jude talks about the sin of these specific angels in regards to the same sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. What does it even mean in your view that there are angels who left their first estate and they are now punished in chains in everlasting darkness?

 

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Because it says they abandoned their habitation, not that they were thrown out of heaven. The angels of Jude v.6 went willingly. Satan and his third did not go willingly.

That is no sound biblical reason. You cannot make that stretch with nothing backing up what is being said. Those angels thrown out of heaven abandoned their habitation. The fact satan and these angels with him commuted wickedness caused to loose what they had.

Look at what God told satan he had before he sinned and was cast out, Ezekiel 28:12-17 KJV. Now because Satan was cast out, are you saying he didn’t abandon these things.

Don’t the Bible tell us that when we sin we abandon God? Yes it does. Didn’t Jesus warn us not to abandon our first love? Yes he did.

So what’s going on is a play on words to put a square pegs in a round hole.

 

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This does not mean these angels were able to procreate. You are adding to things you don’t know about and to what the Bible has not told us.

You also got weird stuff going on with these giants in that they have 6 fingers and six toes in the Bible. Why were all giants wiped out in the Bible? Again, in your view, these are mysteries or enigmas.

 

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That is no sound biblical reason. You cannot make that stretch with nothing backing up what is being said. Those angels thrown out of heaven abandoned their habitation. The fact satan and these angels with him commuted wickedness caused to loose what they had.

Look at what God told satan he had before he sinned and was cast out, Ezekiel 28:12-17 KJV. Now because Satan was cast out, are you saying he didn’t abandon these things.

Don’t the Bible tell us that when we sin we abandon God? Yes it does. Didn’t Jesus warn us not to abandon our first love? Yes he did.

So what’s going on is a play on words to put a square pegs in a round hole.

Jude 1:6 does not sound like it is referring to the fall of the angels in general, but to a specific group of angels who are currently being reserved in punishment in everlasting chains of darkness UNTIL the day of judgement.

 

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I disagree. Sons of God are angels according to Job and both 2 Peter 2 and Jude talks about the sin of these specific angels in regards to the same sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. What does it even mean in your view that there are angels who left their first estate and they are now punished in chains in everlasting darkness?

Chains of everlasting darkness. Everlasting - the wicked will be punished in everlasting torment in outer darkness. This is the lot for the fallen angels. It has been determined already they will never return to heaven, and will be eventually thrown in the lake of fire.

There are three heavens. Could satan and his angels be in the second heaven? Is there light in the second heaven? They are not in the third heaven with God. So could they be bound in the second heaven until they are finally judged. This sounds more plausible.

Where is everlasting darkness that the wicked will be thrown into? Matthew 22:13 KJV, Matthew 25:30 KJV.

Wherever outer darkness is, the wicked will be bound, they will not be able to remove themselves from that place.
So are there actual chains, or is it a position of condemnation they cannot remove themselves from?

Synonym for chains: Restricted, bound, imprisoned.

Do you think there are angels that are servants of God that keep the way of these chains?

 

[biblelesson]

You also got weird stuff going on with these giants in that they have 6 fingers and six toes in the Bible. Why were all giants wiped out in the Bible? Again, in your view, these are mysteries or enigmas.

We have to back up what we are saying with scripture. Line upon line, precept upon precept.

 

[GenemZ]

How do you know there was a second fall when the Bible does not say this.

Genesis 6 speaks of what amounts to God weeding out of the angels who stayed with Him when Satan rebelled, but their hearts were not 100% with Him. They went with the majority opinion. For two thirds of the angels went with the Lord, and only one third went with Satan.

If you want to simply say the Bible does not say that? Its not how the Bible always works.
Some answers first require gaining knowledge to have enough understanding to walk into the needed insight...

Not everything in the Bible is spelled out in black and white as some demand.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight."

Philippians 1:9​

I will explain if requested.

grace and peace .............................

 

[biblelesson]

Genesis 6 speaks of what amounts to God weeding out of the angels who stayed with Him when Satan rebelled, but their hearts were not 100% with Him. They went with the majority opinion. For two thirds of the angels went with the Lord, and only one third went with Satan.

If you want to simply say the Bible does not say that? Its not how the Bible always works.
Some answers first require gaining knowledge to have enough understanding to walk into the needed insight...

Not everything in the Bible is spelled out in black and white as some demand.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight."

Philippians 1:9​

I will explain if requested.

grace and peace .............................

Everything in the Bible is spelled out. The Bible never leave you without an answer or without understanding. We are told to study to show ourselves approved, rightly deciding the word of God.

What’s said in one scripture, through study, we find further examples of that same subject in another scripture. God designed his word that way. The Bible is of no private interpretation, 2 Peter 1:20 KJV

If there is no other place in the Bible that describes angels procreating with human women having babies, It’s not true.