The Three Beasts

[Douggg]

What happens to Abaddon/Apollyon?

The bible does not say specifically regarding him, but since he is an angel, he will face the same judgment as the other angels aligned with Satan.

Their judgment to take place on the great day of Judgment.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Will they be destroyed, on the day that Jesus returns? Maybe, because Satan when he is released from the bottomless pit for the final rebellion, a thousand years later, it does not mention in Revelation 20 other angels released with him.

What do you think ?

 

[3 Resurrections]

Satan as the Great Red Dragon being a beast - is not calling him a kingdom.

If scripture never calls the Dragon / Satan a "Beast", then we also are not allowed to do so. It is small points such as this which start to steer us in the wrong direction. If you can find a verse which calls the Dragon or Satan a Beast, then I will agree to this point. Otherwise, I have to stick to the scripture content alone which never gives Satan or the Dragon that "Beast" label.

Satan is, however, the king of the mystical Babylon the Great kingdom of Satan and his angels. which is responsible for all slain upon the earth beginning with Abel.

This likewise is another addition to scripture. "Mystery Babylon" was never said to be the kingdom of Satan and his angels. The interpreting angel of John's visions tells us point blank that the harlot "Mystery Babylon" was "that great city" who was guilty of the shed blood of the prophets and saints (Rev. 17:8 and Rev. 18:24). Christ once mourned over that city of Old Jerusalem who was guilty of this charge of killing the prophets and stoning those sent unto her (Matthew 23:37). When Old Jerusalem became the "betrayer and murderer" of Christ as Stephen accused them, they also became guilty of the slain blood of everyone "IN Christ", whom He represented, all the way back to Abel (Matthew 23:35). It was just like the murder of a visiting ambassador to another country would be a crime committed against everyone in the country which he represents.

"Mystery Babylon" / aka "that great city" was the city of Old Jerusalem who would be judged for shedding all that righteous blood in the "days of vengeance" that were coming on her before that first-century generation had passed. Jesus and John interpreted this mystery for us. We don't need to guess.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You need to be more specific when you refer to "the beast". I wrote that the scarlet beast in Revelation 17 is Satan.

I referenced the beast written about in Revelation 17. I think that is plenty specific enough. There isn't more than one beast written about in Revelation 17. And the beast written about in Revelation 17 is not Satan.

The Great Red Dragon in Revelation 12 is stated in Revelation 12:9 as being Satan.

Red dragon with 7 heads 10 horns = Scarlet beast with 7 heads 10 horns.

You're not getting it, Douggg. In Revelation, Satan is always referred to as the dragon. John (or should I say the Holy Spirit who inspired him) was consistent like that because he didn't want to confuse people. That he was once called the great red dragon is irrelevant. He was still referred to as a dragon. Satan was never referred to as a beast, but rather was always referred to as a dragon. And the dragon is consistently differentiated from the beast in the book.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The bible does not say specifically regarding him, but since he is an angel, he will face the same judgment as the other angels aligned with Satan.

Their judgment to take place on the great day of Judgment.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

What is your understanding of the locusts who have the angel of the bottomless pit (Abaddon/Apollyon) as their king?

Will they be destroyed, on the day that Jesus returns?

Yes, because that is when the day of judgment will occur (Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 3:3-7).

Maybe, because Satan when he is released from the bottomless pit for the final rebellion, a thousand years later, it does not mention in Revelation 20 other angels released with him.

If a certain thing is not specifically mentioned in a passage regarding a certain event, that does not mean that thing cannot happen at the time when that event happens. Not every passage about a certain event that will happen contains all of the details relating to that event. To conclude that the other angels won't be loosed at the same time that Satan will just because they are not specifically mentioned in that passage is not the way to interpret scripture. If Abaddon/Apollyon is another name of Satan, as I believe, then Revelation 9 would be the passage that specifically refers to the loosing of the other angels at the time when Satan is loosed.

What do you think ?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What do you think ?

I think Abaddon/Apollyon is a different entity from Satan. He is presently residing in the bottomless pit along with other fallen entities according to Jude.

 

[Marilyn C]

The three beasts that John saw in Revelation 17, 12, 13.

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Hi Doug,

Actually, they are all crowned.

Rev. 12: 3. `a great fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns and seven diadems, (crowns) on his heads.`
I agree this is Satan revealing his great authority and power. The heads, (authority) are crowned symbolizing great authority.

Rev. 17: 3, 9 & 10. `scarlet beast......seven heads and ten horns...seven kings (thus crowned)...` This is Satan`s global government. The horns are crowned symbolizing Political power.

Rev. 13: 1 & 2. `beast...seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns.` Horns are crowned, symbolizing Political power. Satan`s GG.

 

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[Douggg]

Hi Doug,

Actually, they are all crowned.

Rev. 12: 3. `a great fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns and seven diadems, (crowns) on his heads.`
I agree this is Satan revealing his great authority and power. The heads, (authority) are crowned symbolizing great authority.

Rev. 17: 3, 9 & 10. `scarlet beast......seven heads and ten horns...seven kings (thus crowned)...` This is Satan`s global government. The horns are crowned symbolizing Political power.

Rev. 13: 1 & 2. `beast...seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns.` Horns are crowned, symbolizing Political power. Satan`s GG.

Hi Marilyn,

But not at the same time.

They are all crowned or uncrowned depending on when that picture of the beast with the 7 heads and 10 crowns is at what place in history.

Revelation 17 beast picture is 1st century
Revelation 12 beast picture is with the full 7 years in that chapter (verses 6-17)
Revelation 13 beast picture is with only 42 months left in the 7 years

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Revelation 17 beast picture with no crowns signifies that the prophecy of the 7 kings in verse 17 is still not completely fulfilled. i.e. five fallen, one is, and the other (king 7) not yet come.

Nor are the ten horns with crowns. Nothing fulfilled in regards to them.


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Revelation 12 beast picture with crowns on the heads signifies that prophecy of the 7 kings is competely fulfilled right before entering the 7 years. Please look at the graphic below. I show "king 7" on the crown of one of the heads.

King 7 of the Julio-Claudian family bloodline will be the little horn person. No crowns on the 10 horns, because the little horn person has not yet become the beast at the beginning of the 7 years.

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Revelation 13 beast picture with crowns on the 10 horns signifies that the little horn person has become the beast. The 10 kings rule with the little horn for one hour (a figurative term ) i.e. the 42 months.

Because the little horn person king 7 is killed in the process of becoming the beast - that ends the prophecy of the 7 kings. So no crowns on the 7 heads.

On the graphic, I show all of the ten horns (with crowns) on the one head, with mouth of a lion, and the 666 number of his name, because the ten kings are associated with that one head - not the other six heads.

 

[Douggg]

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Hi Marilyn, I don't think there will be the one world government that has been popularized among some bible prophecy commentators.

There will be a dominant group of nations called the West, under the leadership of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire, of the end times - i.e. namely the E.U. The beast will be the dictator of the EU in its final 42 months of existence - as a unified group of European nations.

I don't think the muslim angle will pan out. Islam as a religion will basically cease following Gog/Magog. I could be wrong to the extent of it's demise.

I know that Joel Richardson is a big proponent of the Muslim Antichrist/beast scenario.

 

[Douggg]

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The bankers are not going to put themselves under the power of a muslim. And the false prophet is a religious leader, who becomes the high priest for the beast person.

 

[Douggg]

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Where are the billions of Asians and their nations in that picture ? China is not a super-power ?

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

But not at the same time.

They are all crowned or uncrowned depending on when that picture of the beast with the 7 heads and 10 crowns is at what place in history.

Revelation 17 beast picture is 1st century

Rev. 17 can`t be the 1st century. That is historic and God is revealing the end time Final Gentile Global Government. It is contemporary. If you get stick in history you will never see what is happing right now.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, I don't think there will be the one world government that has been popularized among some bible prophecy commentators.

There will be a dominant group of nations called the West, under the leadership of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire, of the end times - i.e. namely the E.U. The beast will be the dictator of the EU in its final 42 months of existence - as a unified group of European nations.

I don't think the muslim angle will pan out. Islam as a religion will basically cease following Gog/Magog. I could be wrong to the extent of it's demise.

I know that Joel Richardson is a big proponent of the Muslim Antichrist/beast scenario.

I was taught the Muslim A/C back in the `60`s long before the Arabs were out of the desert. So, I`m not of the current group. Islam is a Political and Economic force as well as their religion.

Did you know that the British Government`s CBDC in progress will have NO INTEREST. Why? you may well ask. Because the Muslim`s banking do NOT have usury - interest. So, already the West is bowing to the Muslims. BTW Britain`s Prime Minister is a Muslim.

 

[Marilyn C]

Where are the billions of Asians and their nations in that picture ? China is not a super-power ?

China is a middle power. How do you think they feel receiving USA`s IOU`s ($) and giving goods in return. Not happy campers, that`s for sure.

The Eastern block, the Kings of the East come at the end of the trib.

 

[Marilyn C]

The bankers are not going to put themselves under the power of a muslim. And the false prophet is a religious leader, who becomes the high priest for the beast person.

They already are. See my other post.

 

[Douggg]

Rev. 17 can`t be the 1st century. That is historic and God is revealing the end time Final Gentile Global Government. It is contemporary. If you get stick in history you will never see what is happing right now.

King 6 is ruling at the time of the Revelation 17 picture of the Scarlet colored beast. So that makes the status of the heads and horns in Revelation 17 - first century.

The ten horns on the Revelation 17 picture of the Scarlet colored beast have no crowns - which was the case back at the time King 6 was ruling. No component of the 7 years is mentioned in Revelation 17, i.e. the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time/times/half times.

The ten horns do not have their crowns until the Revelation 13 beast ouf of the sea, which in Revelation 13:5 there are only 42 months left in the 7 years.

 

[JosephZ]

BTW Britain`s Prime Minister is a Muslim.

Prime Minister Sunak is a practising Hindu.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What you all are saying is very interesting speculation. Thank you. You are causing me to think. LOL . Now about Rev. 17 beast. Let us look at it.
Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

My question is, is this Abaddon/Apollyon? If so, where is he on your charts?