Florida TV Cuts Feed as Ron DeSantis Shows Explicit Content in School Books

[ozso]

I think DeSantis was trying to make a point (and knew what the media would do). If the images are too explicit to be shown uncensored on broadcast TV, what are they doing in public elementary and secondary schools? The point was well made.

Definitely. "Oh it's perfectly harmless... Hey! You can't show that on TV!... Kids might be watching!" SMH.

 

[ozso]

It's called grooming.

Grooming: an expert explains what it is and how to identify it

The term ‘grooming’ is often misused or misunderstood, but its scope reaches far beyond child abuse.

theconversation.com

I wonder how many will call that a conspiracy theory.

 

[civilwarbuff]

In a way yes. If a gun is in you hand you then have the option to shoot some one if you get angry. That option would not be there if you did not have a gun.

Pardon my plagiarism:
In a way yes. If a (gun, car, knife, bow & arrow, etc) is in you hand you then have the option to shoot/run over/stab/shoot some one if you get angry. That option would not be there if you did not have a gun/car, knife, bow & arrow, etc.

Doing anyone of those things is a choice by the person not the object. Don't take 'Minority Report' literally; we're not there yet.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Archie was always good for some clever sound bites but I am not seeing an epidemic of people being hurled out of windows by the dozen.

Not been to Russia recently, huh? LOLOL

 

[Larniavc]

It's called grooming.

Grooming: an expert explains what it is and how to identify it

The term ‘grooming’ is often misused or misunderstood, but its scope reaches far beyond child abuse.

theconversation.com

Your takes are no more based in fact than many that were alive and well during the American civil war.

 

[Larniavc]

Pardon my plagiarism:
In a way yes. If a (gun, car, knife, bow & arrow, etc) is in you hand you then have the option to shoot/run over/stab/shoot some one if you get angry. That option would not be there if you did not have a gun/car, knife, bow & arrow, etc.

Doing anyone of those things is a choice by the person not the object. Don't take 'Minority Report' literally; we're not there yet.

But a gun makes even the most numbskulled of Americans a far better killer than any of the other options you mentioned. For example, a bow and arrow require training and a certain level of fitness beyond that of most Americans and you have to pass a test to drive (and you can't carry a car around in your pocket). And give an American a knife and they'll instinctively look for a fork and a massive plate of food rendering them harmless.

On the other hand Americans have been brought up over multiple decades on a diet of might makes right, the lone gunman who saves the day and steeped in such fear of 'others' that the only way they can feel safe is with a gun in their pocket and that ANY grievance they have real or imagined can be solved by shooting it, then themselves because heaven forbid they are educated with the skills they need to survive in a supposedly first world nation.

 

[civilwarbuff]

But a gun makes even the most numbskulled of Americans a far better killer than any of the other options you mentioned. For example, a bow and arrow require training and a certain level of fitness beyond that of most Americans and you have to pass a test to drive (and you can't carry a car around in your pocket). And give an American a knife and they'll instinctively look for a fork and a massive plate of food rendering them harmless.

Timothy McVeigh......U-haul truck, diesel fuel and nitrogen fertilizer......'nuff said.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Your takes are no more based in fact than many that were alive and well during the American civil war.

Whut?.....you don't believe grooming of kids exist? That's a lonely road....

 

[ozso]

Your takes are no more based in fact than many that were alive and well during the American civil war.

Prove it.

 

[ozso]

But a gun makes even the most numbskulled of Americans a far better killer than any of the other options you mentioned. For example, a bow and arrow require training and a certain level of fitness beyond that of most Americans and you have to pass a test to drive (and you can't carry a car around in your pocket). And give an American a knife and they'll instinctively look for a fork and a massive plate of food rendering them harmless.

A modern compound bow is very easy to use. Using a gun requires more training and practice and strength to handle the kickback. I suppose you haven't ever seen an American hunting knife like a K-Bar or a Buck 120. There are tens of millions of cars driving around.

How many pedestrians get hit by cars a year in the United States?
A total of 7,388 pedestrian deaths occurred in 2021, equivalent to roughly 20 deaths each day.

 

[durangodawood]

Timothy McVeigh......U-haul truck, diesel fuel and nitrogen fertilizer......'nuff said.

And dont forget the whole ongoing daily toll of nitrogen fertilizer bombings!

 

[ozso]

And dont forget the whole ongoing daily toll of nitrogen fertilizer bombings!

How about roughly 20 deaths per day via people getting hit by cars?

 

[durangodawood]

How about roughly 20 deaths per day via people getting hit by cars?

Terrible.

So I propose:
We register every car to its owner, and check that registration annually.
Every sale triggers a re-registration.
We require every car to have loads of safety mechanisms, even tho it increases retail cost.
We license every driver with a practical in person proficiency test.
We outlaw any use of cars while intoxicated.

Just off the top of my head. I can see how other restrictions might well be necessary.

 

[ozso]

Terrible.

So I propose:
We register every car to its owner, and check that registration annually.
Every sale triggers a re-registration.
We require every car to have loads of safety mechanisms, even tho it increases retail cost.
We license every driver with a practical in person proficiency test.
We outlaw any use of cars while intoxicated.

Just off the top of my head. I can see how other restrictions might well be necessary.

All of that isn't keeping 20 people per day from getting killed by cars.

I'm all for gun registration btw. When I used to buy guns in Nevada a long time ago, it wasn't easy. I had to fill out a legal form and give acceptable answers to several questions on it to buy one. And then I had to register it. Each gun had to have its own "blue card".

Or I could have just bought one from off the street. But it would have been an illegal firearm. However those planning on killing people, probably wouldn't be deterred by that.

 

[durangodawood]

All of that isn't keeping 20 people per day from getting killed by cars.

I'm all for gun registration btw. When I used to buy guns in Nevada a long time ago, it wasn't easy. I had to fill out a legal form and give acceptable answers to several questions on it to buy one. And then I had to register it. Each gun had to have its own "blue card".

Or I could have just bought one from off the street.

No, its keeping us from a motor vehicle free for all where probably 100 people get killed every day.

I'm not at all against an individuals right to arms. I just think we should take them very seriously and rein in the de facto free for all. Even the right solution wont have instant effect. Its a long road, but a good one, I think.

 

[rjs330]

A subjective one. There is no one size fits all. If my son punched a class mate in the nose I would be very disappointed. But if he punched a class mate in the nose for trying to bully him I would be impressed with his moxy.

Harm must be balanced against gain.

You see, I’ve learnt that simplistic world views where there is a clear cut easy to see good and bad; like the old westerns where the good guy was in white and on stage left and the bad guy was in black and stage right simple don’t comport with reality.

Do you see now?

So harm is completely objective? I know you do not believe that. I think you are playing games. If someone walks into a school and shoots some kids who are harmed by that event?

If someone's child gets involved in meth who is harmed by that?

 

[ozso]

No, its keeping us from a motor vehicle free for all where probably 100 people get killed every day.

I'm not at all against an individuals right to arms. I just think we should take them very seriously and rein in the de facto free for all. Even the right solution wont have instant effect. Its a long road, but a good one, I think.

That's fine by me. I'm all for it. But really I don't think it's going to keep a killer from getting a gun to shoot people.

But what does this have to do with the OP? I thought this was a different thread at first. Amazing how off track things get. It probably started with someone making an inapplicable comparison or analogy.

 

[rjs330]

But a gun makes even the most numbskulled of Americans a far better killer than any of the other options you mentioned. For example, a bow and arrow require training and a certain level of fitness beyond that of most Americans and you have to pass a test to drive (and you can't carry a car around in your pocket). And give an American a knife and they'll instinctively look for a fork and a massive plate of food rendering them harmless.

On the other hand Americans have been brought up over multiple decades on a diet of might makes right, the lone gunman who saves the day and steeped in such fear of 'others' that the only way they can feel safe is with a gun in their pocket and that ANY grievance they have real or imagined can be solved by shooting it, then themselves because heaven forbid they are educated with the skills they need to survive in a supposedly first world nation.

I think we need books for kids teaching ng them all about how guns are good and useful tools. We could educate them on how to properly handle and use a gun. It would teach them how to respect a gun and use one properly. How to safely operate one and have books on how the gun has played a significant role in securing and holding into freedom, feeding families and protecting one self from criminals. A compete and comprehensive education including books would be a great thing for schools.

 

[Larniavc]

y. I had to fill out a legal form and give acceptable answers to several questions on it to buy one. And then I had to register it. Each gun had to have its own "blue card".

That is what you mean by not easy? How do you survive going to work each day?

 

[Larniavc]

So harm is completely objective?

Huh? My point is the opposite. Please read what I write and not you think I have written.