Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[SabbathBlessings]

Your disagreement is expected. Thankfully it remains respectful. Once again, what you see and don't see is not the arbiter of truth. The same obviously goes for all of us.

We really haven't even discussed Scripture like Gal4 and some others we can bring into discussion.

If God does not include the 4th in this era, which is the point under discussion, then your last clause is simply speculation at best.

Antinomianism has become a very big problem IMO. Sabbath confusion is an interesting factor. SDA is either a factor in the confusion or the cure for it. I think this is what we're discussing.

Your personal thoughts are appreciated and respected but do not resolve the Scriptural issues.

Sorry, I'm a bit dumfounded, how can you say the Sabbath was not included in the NC when Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath commandment and is our example to follow? 1 John 2:6 The Sabbath is mentioned over 55 times in the NC instead of being deleted. Still using the same respect, it had in the OC calling it the Sabbath which according to God's own words is My holy day. Isaiah 58:13 Are you suggesting we follow the example of Jesus on commandment-keeping except for the Sabbath commandment and instead do something entirely different not stated in scripture? God said He wrote His laws on the hearts and minds of His people and the Sabbath commandment is part of His laws and unless you have a clear scripture that states we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, than its binding for all. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not the Sabbath is no longer observed.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your personal thoughts are appreciated and respected but do not resolve the Scriptural issues.

I didn't quote me, those were God's Words.

 

[GDL]

We do not receive His rest by being disobedient to Him. Hebrews 4 makes this very clear.

Agreed. But Sabbath remains a question I've yet to see resolved.

If one of the commandments of God written personally by God's own finger, spoken personally by God's own voice that can't be edited Deut 4:2 it would be as clear as day if it was changed. There is no evidence of it changing in scripture kept by Jesus who is our example to follow, who if He was planning on changing the Sabbath commandment that He kept, He would have told someone.

These comments have been addressed. Maybe Jesus alluded to a Sabbath change in Matt11:29:

NKJ Matthew 11:29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find anapausis-rest for your souls.

LXE Exodus 16:23 And Moses said to them, Is not this the word which the Lord spoke? To-morrow is the sabbath, a holy anapausis-rest to the Lord: bake that ye will bake, and seethe that ye will seethe, and all that is over leave to be laid by for the morrow.

LXE Exodus 23:12 Six days shalt thou do thy works, and on the seventh day there shall be anapausis-rest, that thine ox and thine ass may anapauo-rest (verb), and that the son of thy maid-servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

LXE Exodus 31:15 Six days thou shalt do works, but the seventh day is the sabbath, a holy anapausis-rest to the Lord; every one who shall do a work on the seventh day shall be put to death

LXE Exodus 35:2 Six days shalt thou perform works, but on the seventh day shall be katapausis-rest -- a holy sabbath -- a anapausis-rest for the Lord: every one that does work on it, let him die.

LXE Leviticus 16:31 This shall be to you a most holy sabbath, a anapausis-rest, and ye shall humble your souls; it is a perpetual ordinance. {Gr. sabbath of sabbaths, or week of weeks}

Then maybe Jesus had Paul and Hebrews and ?? follow up and explain why the weekly Sabbath is not required for Christians who are In Christ and have found rest in Him looking forward to the eternal Sabbath fulfillment.

The Law was changed to facilitate Jesus' Great High Priesthood.
The Law was changed because Jesus was the true sacrifice.
What other commandments did God - the only Law Giver - change?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Agreed. But Sabbath remains a question I've yet to see resolved.

These comments have been addressed. Maybe Jesus alluded to a Sabbath change in Matt11:29:

NKJ Matthew 11:29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find anapausis-rest for your souls.

LXE Exodus 16:23 And Moses said to them, Is not this the word which the Lord spoke? To-morrow is the sabbath, a holy anapausis-rest to the Lord: bake that ye will bake, and seethe that ye will seethe, and all that is over leave to be laid by for the morrow.

LXE Exodus 23:12 Six days shalt thou do thy works, and on the seventh day there shall be anapausis-rest, that thine ox and thine ass may anapauo-rest (verb), and that the son of thy maid-servant and the stranger may be refreshed.

LXE Exodus 31:15 Six days thou shalt do works, but the seventh day is the sabbath, a holy anapausis-rest to the Lord; every one who shall do a work on the seventh day shall be put to death

LXE Exodus 35:2 Six days shalt thou perform works, but on the seventh day shall be katapausis-rest -- a holy sabbath -- a anapausis-rest for the Lord: every one that does work on it, let him die.

LXE Leviticus 16:31 This shall be to you a most holy sabbath, a anapausis-rest, and ye shall humble your souls; it is a perpetual ordinance. {Gr. sabbath of sabbaths, or week of weeks}

Then maybe Jesus had Paul and Hebrews and ?? follow up and explain why the weekly Sabbath is not required for Christians who are In Christ and have found rest in Him looking forward to the eternal Sabbath fulfillment.

The Law was changed to facilitate Jesus' Great High Priesthood.
The Law was changed because Jesus was the true sacrifice.
What other commandments did God - the only Law Giver - change?

As shown in Hebrews 4 we do not receive Christs rest by being disobedient, rest means we are in harmony with God. There is no scripture you posted that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. When there was a change in the law, scripture is clear. It would need to be abundantly clear if it is one of the Ten Commandments and there is no scripture that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment or its not part of God's law written in the heart. If you come across such scripture let me know, until then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[GDL]

Thats a personal choice we will have to make. God said the Sabbath is one of His commandments Deut 4:13, Exodus 32:16 Exodus 20 and no scripture stating we can break one of His commandments. How Jesus deals with that is up to Him, for me, its not a risk worth taking and I don't find keeping the Sabbath to be burdensome, but instead a blessing that is promised. Isaiah 58:13-14

Again, this is personal choice and even a safety-valve approach. If it's no longer a commandment, then not keeping it is not disobedience.

Even if it is not a commandment, there IMO is nothing saying we can't keep the 7th day and find blessing either within ourselves or possibly even from God for doing so. He's still the Creator who rested on the 7th. He's obviously going through a lot to bring the true & eternal Sabbath into reality. If Jesus is telling us in Matt11:29 that He is the fulfillment of Sabbath - the Lord of Sabbath - who gives us rest for our souls while under His yoke in this era, then obviously the real concept of Sabbath is amazing. I'm just not convinced Saturday in this era may not be one of the basic principles Paul discusses in Gal that there's no need to go back to - or worse, if someone tells us we have to and we submit, then it can be a problem against our being perfected.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, this is personal choice and even a safety-valve approach. If it's no longer a commandment, then not keeping it is not disobedience.

Even if it is not a commandment, there IMO is nothing saying we can't keep the 7th day and find blessing either within ourselves or possibly even from God for doing so. He's still the Creator who rested on the 7th. He's obviously going through a lot to bring the true & eternal Sabbath into reality. If Jesus is telling us in Matt11:29 that He is the fulfillment of Sabbath - the Lord of Sabbath - who gives us rest for our souls while under His yoke in this era, then obviously the real concept of Sabbath is amazing. I'm just not convinced Saturday in this era may not be one of the basic principles Paul discusses in Gal that there's no need to go back to - or worse, if someone tells us we have to and we submit, then it can be a problem against our being perfected.

But you first need to prove its no longer a commandment, and so far, no one has provided that scripture. Since God personally wrote it and personally spoke it, you would need a thus saith the Lord that we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. But instead, we have Jesus and the apostles keeping it and saying it remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV and warning us to not follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites Hebrews 4:6 who broke the Sabbath. Ezekiel 20:13 and scripture shows its still a commandment in the NC Luke 23:56

 

[GDL]

Sorry, I'm a bit dumfounded,

That's not good.

how can you say the Sabbath was not included in the NC when Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath commandment and is our example to follow? 1 John 2:6

I've already addressed the period between the Resurrection and the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and the transitions taking place.

If Sabbath is no longer a commandment, then it is not an issue in walking in obedience as He did. He observed commanded things at the Temple we're not observing. Things have changed but He never stole or committed adultery, etc., so there remains plenty for us to do to walk as He walked.

The Sabbath is mentioned over 55 times in the NC instead of being deleted.

Covering singular and plural, I got 60 occurrences in 55 verses.

Have you noticed the almost complete absence of discussion about Sabbath in the NC after Acts? Just one use of the word in the epistles - Col2:16 which is not a good one to prove a Sabbath command applicable to Christians - it calls sabbaths shadows compared to the body/reality which is Christ.

Still using the same respect, it had in the OC calling it the Sabbath which according to God's own words is My holy day. Isaiah 58:13 Are you suggesting we follow the example of Jesus on commandment-keeping except for the Sabbath commandment and instead do something entirely different not stated in scripture? God said He wrote His laws on the hearts and minds of His people and the Sabbath commandment is part of His laws and unless you have a clear scripture that states we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, than its binding for all. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not the Sabbath is no longer observed.

It's interesting how Jesus' words about Sabbath being made for man can be turned to back up one's POV but the context is clearly against a legalistic and even harmful use of Sabbath against man and Jesus is explaining how man is not subordinate to it as it was being handled unmercifully by the leadership in Israel. Have you not read (He says):

• David entered into the House of God and at the showbread that was not lawful for him to eat.
• The Temple Priests violate Sabbath and are blameless.

Jesus' message was that Sabbath was not to be misused to harm men in need. Sabbath is violated by priests in order to do what they were to do in service to God. So, there's a structure to Law that needs to be considered. David did something unlawful for him but lawful for the priests. The lesson here is that man's need is above the priests which is above the Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath was there teaching this lesson.

We really shouldn't be seeing this as a command to keep Sabbath.

I see no substantive case being made that keeping Sabbath continues as a mandate for Christians.

I see very questionable propositions being put forth to substantiate an interpretation which may or may not be correct.

If we're not mandated to do something or not to do something than how are we doing something not stated in Scripture?

I've seen nothing that makes me think Christ is not my rest as I work under His yoke to bring me to the final fulfillment of an eternal Sabbath in the Kingdom of God and His Son.

Unless you have a clear NC commandment to substantiate the view that we must keep a day of the week separate, I remain unconvinced that the sign of the weekly Sabbath did not go the way of the Old Covenant.

We've yet to delve into Gal4 and others do not seem to want to do this either. I might be swayed by such Scripture. I might not be.

 

[GDL]

But you first need to prove its no longer a commandment, and so far, no one has provided that scripture. Since God personally wrote it and personally spoke it, you would need a thus saith the Lord that we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. But instead, we have Jesus and the apostles keeping it and saying it remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV and warning us to not follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites Hebrews 4:6 who broke the Sabbath. Ezekiel 20:13 and scripture shows its still a commandment in the NC Luke 23:56

I think SDA is the one making the case for keeping Sabbath in this era. I'm not seeing the proof. I don't think there's a clear commandment to keep it or not keep it in this era in Christ. I think there is Scripture like Matt11:29 giving us some direction, Heb4 giving more information, Gal4 very possibly telling us days and moths and seasons and years are all among the basics for at minimum the children of Israel who were being taught and guarded under Torah - which at root means instruction.

I disagree that we need a "thus sayeth..." command in this era to not have to heed a command of the old era that was a covenantal sign for that bygone era.

You're misreading Heb4 and not looking at Heb4:11 at minimum. You're inserting that the issue discussed in Heb4 was keeping Sabbath, but it wasn't. Go back to Heb4:3 and track back to Psalm95 and take it from there.

Neither Ez20:13 nor Luke23:56 are commands for this era in Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think SDA is the one making the case for keeping Sabbath in this era. I'm not seeing the proof. I don't think there's a clear commandment to keep it or not keep it in this era in Christ. I think there is Scripture like Matt11:29 giving us some direction, Heb4 giving more information, Gal4 very possibly telling us days and moths and seasons and years are all among the basics for at minimum the children of Israel who were being taught and guarded under Torah - which at root means instruction.

I disagree that we need a "thus sayeth..." command in this era to not have to heed a command of the old era that was a covenantal sign for that bygone era.

You're misreading Heb4 and not looking at Heb4:11 at minimum. You're inserting that the issue discussed in Heb4 was keeping Sabbath, but it wasn't. Go back to Heb4:3 and track back to Psalm95 and take it from there.

The SDA church did not give the Sabbath commandment, God did. I have read Hebrews 4:3 and Psalms 95 Hebrews and we do not enter God’s rest by being disobedient to Him.

God’s people keep God’s commandments Revelation 14:12 and there is no scripture stating the Sabbath is not a commandment of God and its inconsistent to say we need to keep the other 9 and separating the Sabbath commandment when God did not. Nothing in Matt 11:29 or Gal 4 stating this either. Hebrews 4:9 NIV says the Sabbath-rest (keeping of the Sabbath) remains for God’s people.

Neither Ez20:13 nor Luke23:56 are commands for this era in Christ.

Hebrews 4 says not to follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11 who were disobedient and an example of disobedience is Sabbath-keeping Ez 20:13 so very much relevant if we believe the warnings in scripture are for us to follow, I personally do.

How do you figure Luke 23:56 is not relevant in this era, the NC? The NC ratified at the death of Christ…. It is finished.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's not good.

I've already addressed the period between the Resurrection and the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and the transitions taking place.

Interesting but Jesus indicated He would have a people still keeping the Sabbath after the destruction of Jerusalem Matthew 24:20

If Sabbath is no longer a commandment, then it is not an issue in walking in obedience as He did. He observed commanded things at the Temple we're not observing. Things have changed but He never stole or committed adultery, etc., so there remains plenty for us to do to walk as He walked.


Covering singular and plural, I got 60 occurrences in 55 verses.

Have you noticed the almost complete absence of discussion about Sabbath in the NC after Acts?

Does God have to repeat Himself for us to obey? I think God saying it once would be enough, but thats certainly not the case, it’s repeated throughout scripture. How many other commandments not mentioned after Acts- do those get deleted too? Youre forgetting the Sabbath continues on just as God promised for eternity Isaiah 66:23-23

Just one use of the word in the epistles - Col2:16 which is not a good one to prove a Sabbath command applicable to Christians - it calls sabbaths shadows compared to the body/reality which is Christ.

Interesting, you don’t go back to Col 2:14 KJV that shows the context of this passage. If one were to give proper context Col 2:14-17 and compare it to Hebrews 10:1-10 its taking about the same thing the annual sabbath(s) ordinances not one of God’s finger written commandments that is holy and righteous and not burdensome, which does not fit this context. I think it might be fruitful to look at the link I provided on this.

It's interesting how Jesus' words about Sabbath being made for man can be turned to back up one's POV but the context is clearly against a legalistic and even harmful use of Sabbath against man and Jesus is explaining how man is not subordinate to it as it was being handled unmercifully by the leadership in Israel. Have you not read (He says):

The Sabbath is made for man and man was created on the sixth day Gen 1:26 , right before the first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3. I find it interesting, one only uses the argument of legalistic when it comes to the Sabbath- God wants to give us rest and have communion with Him and thats legalistic or a burden?

• David entered into the House of God and at the showbread that was not lawful for him to eat.
• The Temple Priests violate Sabbath and are blameless.

It’s not a sin to do the work of God on the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13, just like its not a sin for pastors to preach on the Sabbath thats the point being made here.

Jesus' message was that Sabbath was not to be misused to harm men in need. Sabbath is violated by priests in order to do what they were to do in service to God. So, there's a structure to Law that needs to be considered. David did something unlawful for him but lawful for the priests. The lesson here is that man's need is above the priests which is above the Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath was there teaching this lesson.

You’re reading into whats not there. If Jesus wanted to end the Sabbath commandment, He would have plainly stated so, instead of observing it Himself and telling us to keep the commandments Luke 4:16 John 15:10 Matthew 15:3-9 The fact any one of the Ten Commandments are mentioned in the NC means they are all there as they are a unit of Ten placed together personally by God but the overwhelming evidence that Jesus and the apostles taught and kept the Sabbath commandment its irrefutable and no scripture says to not follow the example of Jesus or everything but Sabbath-keeping.

We really shouldn't be seeing this as a command to keep Sabbath.

I see no substantive case being made that keeping Sabbath continues as a mandate for Christians.

I see very questionable propositions being put forth to substantiate an interpretation which may or may not be correct.

If we're not mandated to do something or not to do something than how are we doing something not stated in Scripture?

I've seen nothing that makes me think Christ is not my rest as I work under His yoke to bring me to the final fulfillment of an eternal Sabbath in the Kingdom of God and His Son.

Unless you have a clear NC commandment to substantiate the view that we must keep a day of the week separate, I remain unconvinced that the sign of the weekly Sabbath did not go the way of the Old Covenant.

We've yet to delve into Gal4 and others do not seem to want to do this either. I might be swayed by such Scripture. I might not be.

It seems your mind is made up, you picked a side. I’m disappointed, I was not expecting one of God’s commandments to be chiseled out from the unit of Ten. Anyway, it is what it is, I will pray for you and wish you nothing but the best. Signing out now for real. . God bless

 

[GDL]

When did God cease from His works?

The NET Bible picks this up and it was in the long lexical detail I posted for you

NET Genesis 2:2 By3 the seventh day God finished the work that he had been doing,4 and he ceased5 on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing.

NET Notes (Gen 2:2)

3 tn Heb "on/in the seventh day."
4 tn Heb "his work which he did [or "made"]."
5 tn The Hebrew term שָׁבַּת (shabbat) can be translated "to rest" ("and he rested") but it basically means "to cease." This is not a rest from exhaustion; it is the cessation of the work of creation.

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

When did God speak in a certain place of the seventh day?

Mt Sinai speaking and writing the Sabbath commandment

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Clearly begins here: NKJ Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Even if the reference is to Ex, it's based in Gen, and the point is being made that Sabbath is referring back to creation as it states in Ex, and the ultimate fulfillment of Sabbath will be a fulfillment of conditions that began in Gen not Ex.

We do not enter God's rest by disobedience

Repetitive.

Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

What did those who it was first preached in the wilderness disobey?

Ezekiel 20: 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

It would probably suit your detail better if you would not be selective your highlighting. I'll modify it for you a bit:

We do not enter God's rest by disobedience

Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

This is a future rest for Christians to be diligent to enter into while not disobeying God. Forcing weekly Sabbath observance into this without making the case that it's still to be kept in this NC era is of no help.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

Same comments as above re: 4:11

What did those who it was first preached in the wilderness disobey?

Ezekiel 20: 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

This was a disobedient people, and their disobedience was not limited to weekly Sabbath observance.

Well the literal translation means keeping of the Sabbath- not an SDA reference....

a Sabbath rest
σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity.

Clearly in the context of Heb4:11 this is a future that Christians diligently and obediently pursue. It's not helpful to keep referring to Heb4 and setting aside the obvious future context to make a case for a current weekly observance.

I'm normally quite the advocate for literal, but this verse in context is clearly talking about a future we're in diligent, obedient pursuit of. BDAG which is one of the if not the main Lexicons for the Greek Scriptures is copied for you here ("fig." means figurative and the highlighting is mine):

Bauer-Danker, Greek-English Lexicon of the NT (BDAG)

[BDAG] σαββατισμός
• σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ (σαββατίζω; Plut., Mor. 166a cj.; Just., D. 23, 3) sabbath rest, sabbath observance fig. Hb 4:9 a special period of rest for God’s people modeled after the traditional sabbath (CBarrett, CHDodd Festschr. ’56, 371f [eschat.]). —S. on κατάπαυσις HWeiss, CBQ 58, ’96, 674-89. M-M. TW.

I have yet to find the scripture that says we don't need to obey the commandments of God or that God's laws that He personally wrote with His own finger would not be included in the law on the heart. It was on Jesus heart and He kept it, so its good enough for me. Luke 4:16 John 15:10

I think this might be referred to as a red herring. You must be thinking of someone else when you make arguments like this. If there are now 9C because Jesus fulfilled law to whatever degree He fulfilled law, and if God - the only Law Giver - can change Law, which He surely can, and if Paul in referring to days, months, seasons & years as basic principles from the OC childhood era, includes Sabbath(s), and if Christians are now at rest in Christ in His easy yoke & light burden, which for me is far more comforting than setting aside 1 day/week, then I find the NC much better than the OC in this respect and I treasure the freedom I have in Christ to join SDA or Messianics on Saturday and Protestants on Sunday.

Until you or someone convinces me otherwise from Scripture, I think this makes the most sense. But we're not there at this point.

 

[GDL]

The SDA church did not give the Sabbath commandment, God did. I have read Hebrews 4:3 and Psalms 95 Hebrews and we do not enter God’s rest by being disobedient to Him.

Clearly you cannot envision commandments apart from weekly Sabbath. But this was expected.

God’s people keep God’s commandments Revelation 14:12 and there is no scripture stating the Sabbath is not a commandment of God and its inconsistent to say we need to keep the other 9 and separating the Sabbath commandment when God did not. Nothing in Matt 11:29 or Gal 4 stating this either. Hebrews 4:9 NIV says the Sabbath-rest (keeping of the Sabbath) remains for God’s people.

There's no mention of Sabbath in Rev14:12 and it's virtually non-existent in the Epistles. Then we have to deal the eschatology of Rev. The we have to prove one way or another that the "Faith of Jesus" and commandments of God include the weekly Sabbath in this era. If we use your rules then you have a lot of proving to do since you brough up this verse.

You have not proven God continued weekly Sabbath observance as command for this era.

You have not proven that Matt11:29 or Gal4 do not alter Sabbath. Did you respond to the commonality of wording between Matt11:29 and the Mosaic Law? Connections like that are not normally to be easily set aside. You've yet to delve into or make any case for Gal4.

Hebrews 4 says not to follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11 who were disobedient and an example of disobedience is Sabbath-keeping Ez 20:13 so very much relevant if we believe the warnings in scripture are for us to follow, I personally do.

Answered already.

How do you figure Luke 23:56 is not relevant in this era, the NC? The NC ratified at the death of Christ…. It is finished.

It's quite simply people under the OC doing the Mosaic Law pre-resurrection at minimum, likely pre-change of Law and Priesthood, pre-NC writings, pre-70AD. I have no disagreement that the weekly Sabbath was important for OC Israel.

 

[GDL]

Interesting but Jesus indicated He would have a people still keeping the Sabbath after the destruction of Jerusalem Matthew 24:20

Jesus also knew He would be dealing with doctrinal matters for some time John16:12.

Does God have to repeat Himself for us to obey? I think God saying it once would be enough, but thats certainly not the case, it’s repeated throughout scripture. How many other commandments not mentioned after Acts- do those get deleted too? Youre forgetting the Sabbath continues on just as God promised for eternity Isaiah 66:23-23

Interestingly the NC repeats instruction about certain sins quite a few times. And as you've noted, 9 of the 10C are fairly clearly identified in the NC Writings. Yet there is no clear repetition of the Sabbath Commandment and no mention of its non-observance among any of the sins mentioned in the NC, when, as you've also pointed out, it was such a problem for OC Israel among all her other disobediences.

I'll give you Is66 for now and invite all the eschatology students in to discuss a future of animal sacrifices and Levitical Priests along with mention of Sabbaths. But I don't concede anything for this era in Christ who gives us rest in His easy yoke.

Interesting, you don’t go back to Col 2:14 KJV that shows the context of this passage. If one were to give proper context Col 2:14-17 and compare it to Hebrews 10:1-10 its taking about the same thing the annual sabbath(s) ordinances not one of God’s finger written commandments that is holy and righteous and not burdensome, which does not fit this context. I think it might be fruitful to look at the link I provided on this.

You're going beyond what I pointed out, which was simply to show that your statement of how frequent Sabbath shows up in the NC was misleading since the only time post-Acts it's even mentioned was in Col2:16. I saw and see no need to get into context there as "sabbaths" are clearly said to be shadows of the reality of Christ. The fact that this is the only occurrence of the word "sabbath(s)" in the Epistles IMO is another strike against the SDA POV re: Sabbath. It's correlation to sacrifices goes beyond the context of the point that was under discussion. But it does show Christ being the fulfillment of things which IMO may also include the already not yet Sabbath.

The Sabbath is made for man and man was created on the sixth day Gen 1:26 , right before the first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3. I find it interesting, one only uses the argument of legalistic when it comes to the Sabbath- God wants to give us rest and have communion with Him and thats legalistic or a burden?

I think Jesus' argument re: man, and Sabbath is quite clear especially in the legalistic context He was dealing with. I'm happy to add to the legalism of the Jews Jesus contended with but it won't take away from the fact that their issues being dealt with in that context was Sabbath and Jesus dealt with them several times re: Sabbath as they were obviously abusing it.

Your rhetoric is revealing a sensitivity.

It’s not a sin to do the work of God on the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13, just like its not a sin for pastors to preach on the Sabbath thats the point being made here.

That's part of the point being made. It compares to what I pointed out.

This does nothing for the reversal of the point of the lesson to say that we in this era are obligated to observe weekly Sabbath.

You’re reading into whats not there. If Jesus wanted to end the Sabbath commandment, He would have plainly stated so, instead of observing it Himself and telling us to keep the commandments Luke 4:16 John 15:10 Matthew 15:3-9

You're reading into what I said. I didn't say that section of Scripture ends Sabbath.

There's no need to circle back to OC era Jesus observing Sabbath. I have no argument with this. But it does not prove the OC covenantal sign exists in the NC era.

The fact any one of the Ten Commandments are mentioned in the NC means they are all there as they are a unit of Ten placed together personally by God but the overwhelming evidence that Jesus and the apostles taught and kept the Sabbath commandment its irrefutable and no scripture says to not follow the example of Jesus or everything but Sabbath-keeping.

Repetitive and unconvincing. Your unit of 10 may not be God - the only Law Giver's - unit of 10 any longer. No Scripture succinctly commands the Christian to keep the weekly Sabbath - the OC covenantal sign between God and the children of Israel under the guardianship and teaching of the Mosaic Law.

It seems your mind is made up, you picked a side. I’m disappointed, I was not expecting one of God’s commandments to be chiseled out from the unit of Ten. Anyway, it is what it is, I will pray for you and wish you nothing but the best. Signing out now for real. . God bless

Actually, I'm just countering your arguments that I find unconvincing and I'm wondering why some of my posts like #603 are not answered (unless I missed the answer), and why I've asked at least 2 SDA advocates about getting into Gal4 with no response, which response MIGHT be quite telling for the correct view of Sabbath, and why Heb4 is being used as a weekly Sabbath commandment for this era, etc.

Thanks for the prayers and I'm not rejecting them, but I am rejecting the context suggesting I need my eyes opened to agree with the SDA position re: the requirement in this era for weekly Sabbath observance for those in Christ who gives us anapausis-rest for our souls while we work and learn from Him, which IMO sounds very much like the relationship man had with His Creator in the Garden and very much like the eternal rest we will have with Him when He ends this already not yet era. This sounds like it could well be better than Saturdays which could be part of the basics the children of Israel were to learn from.

 

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The NET Bible picks this up and it was in the long lexical detail I posted for you

NET Genesis 2:2 By3 the seventh day God finished the work that he had been doing,4 and he ceased5 on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing.

NET Notes (Gen 2:2)

3 tn Heb "on/in the seventh day."
4 tn Heb "his work which he did [or "made"]."
5 tn The Hebrew term שָׁבַּת (shabbat) can be translated "to rest" ("and he rested") but it basically means "to cease." This is not a rest from exhaustion; it is the cessation of the work of creation.


Clearly begins here: NKJ Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Even if the reference is to Ex, it's based in Gen,

I agree Hebrews 4:4 is a reference to Creation and the Sabbath commandment i.e. He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day can only be identified when God spoke the Sabbath commandment . When are we to cease our work? when God did on the seventh day Hebrews 4:10, Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3 The language in the Sabbath commandment is almost identical to the Sabbath at Creation. God defines His Sabbath to be on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 so when we see God rested on the seventh day at Creation it’s the Sabbath that Jesus said was made for man, created the day before.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

and the point is being made that Sabbath is referring back to creation as it states in Ex, and the ultimate fulfillment of Sabbath will be a fulfillment of conditions that began in Gen not Ex.

God did not command us to do something in the future, the Sabbath is a memorial to Creation to Remember everything that He created for us without us. That He is the Creator of all things and He is the one that sanctifies us, we cannot sanctify ourselves and thats what we try to do when we self-law over keeping God’s law.

This is a future rest for Christians to be diligent to enter into while not disobeying God. Forcing weekly Sabbath observance into this without making the case that it's still to be kept in this NC era is of no help.

Christ rest is not the Sabbath rest, these are two different rests. Christ is not the Sabbath commandment. There is a future rest which is Christ ultimate rest and we do not enter Christ rest by being disobedient to God.

This was a disobedient people, and their disobedience was not limited to weekly Sabbath observance.

True was not limited, but included it and we are told not to follow the same example of disobedience.

I'm normally quite the advocate for literal, but this verse in context is clearly talking about a future we're in diligent, obedient pursuit of. BDAG which is one of the if not the main Lexicons for the Greek Scriptures is copied for you here ("fig." means figurative and the highlighting is mine):

Bauer-Danker, Greek-English Lexicon of the NT (BDAG)

[BDAG] σαββατισμός
• σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ (σαββατίζω; Plut., Mor. 166a cj.; Just., D. 23, 3) sabbath rest, sabbath observance fig. Hb 4:9 a special period of rest for God’s people modeled after the traditional sabbath (CBarrett, CHDodd Festschr. ’56, 371f [eschat.]). —S. on κατάπαυσις HWeiss, CBQ 58, ’96, 674-89. M-M. TW.

What is your definition of the traditional Sabbath and how can something that is traditional be future when we know nothing about it?
Tradition definition…existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established. Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains (not changed) for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

I don’t think we should ignore what it literally translates into Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance when you make accusations the SDA is forcing Sabbath observance in this passage when its what it literally translates into by your own reference.

Here’s a few more…

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

sabbatismos
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition
a sabbath rest
NASB Word Usage
Sabbath rest (1).

I think this might be referred to as a red herring. You must be thinking of someone else when you make arguments like this. If there are now 9C because Jesus fulfilled law to whatever degree He fulfilled law, and if God - the only Law Giver - can change Law, which He surely can, and if Paul in referring to days, months, seasons & years as basic principles from the OC childhood era, includes Sabbath(s), and if Christians are now at rest in Christ in His easy yoke & light burden, which for me is far more comforting than setting aside 1 day/week, then I find the NC much better than the OC in this respect and I treasure the freedom I have in Christ to join SDA or Messianics on Saturday and Protestants on Sunday.

Which none of the scriptures say Jesus fulfilled the law so we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, which would be an important scripture to have to make such an argument.

Instead Jesus says Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. And not to break the least of the commandments Matthew 5:19.

 

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Clearly you cannot envision commandments apart from weekly Sabbath. But this was expected.

God placed the Ten Commandments together and placed them in ark of the covenant in the most Holy of His Temple, that is in heaven, which the earthy temple was modeled after. If we don’t have a good foundation of the significance of God’s commandments, it is where a lot of people go wrong.

There's no mention of Sabbath in Rev14:12 and it's virtually non-existent in the Epistles. Then we have to deal the eschatology of Rev. The we have to prove one way or another that the "Faith of Jesus" and commandments of God include the weekly Sabbath in this era. If we use your rules then you have a lot of proving to do since you brough up this verse.

You would need to prove the Sabbath is not a commandment of God when God stated clearly it is. Deut 4:13 so the burden is on your to prove otherwise. I am just sticking with what God said and God in the OT is the same God in the NT. God wrote it, He spoke it, He identifies the Ten as His Commandments Exodus 20:6 so the burden is on you to prove that the Sabbath somehow did not continue being one of His commandments.

You have not proven God continued weekly Sabbath observance as command for this era.

You did not prove that it stopped. I believe the scriptures that say Jesus and the disciples are our example to follow, they kept the weekly Sabbath observance and I believe the scripture that says we are to follow their example and sadly this gets glossed over.

You have not proven that Matt11:29 or Gal4 do not alter Sabbath. Did you respond to the commonality of wording between Matt11:29 and the Mosaic Law? Connections like that are not normally to be easily set aside. You've yet to delve into or make any case for Gal4.

And you haven’t proven that it somehow altered the Sabbath commandment.

It's quite simply people under the OC doing the Mosaic Law pre-resurrection at minimum, likely pre-change of Law and Priesthood, pre-NC writings, pre-70AD. I have no disagreement that the weekly Sabbath was important for OC Israel.

No, it’s God people following God’s instructions and there is no instruction for God’s people to stop following one of God’s commandments.

 

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Jesus also knew He would be dealing with doctrinal matters for some time John16:12.

Interestingly the NC repeats instruction about certain sins quite a few times. And as you've noted, 9 of the 10C are fairly clearly identified in the NC Writings. Yet there is no clear repetition of the Sabbath Commandment and no mention of its non-observance among any of the sins mentioned in the NC, when, as you've also pointed out, it was such a problem for OC Israel among all her other disobediences.

I'll give you Is66 for now and invite all the eschatology students in to discuss a future of animal sacrifices and Levitical Priests along with mention of Sabbaths. But I don't concede anything for this era in Christ who gives us rest in His easy yoke.

You're going beyond what I pointed out, which was simply to show that your statement of how frequent Sabbath shows up in the NC was misleading since the only time post-Acts it's even mentioned was in Col2:16. I saw and see no need to get into context there as "sabbaths" are clearly said to be shadows of the reality of Christ. The fact that this is the only occurrence of the word "sabbath(s)" in the Epistles IMO is another strike against the SDA POV re: Sabbath. It's correlation to sacrifices goes beyond the context of the point that was under discussion. But it does show Christ being the fulfillment of things which IMO may also include the already not yet Sabbath.

I think Jesus' argument re: man, and Sabbath is quite clear especially in the legalistic context He was dealing with. I'm happy to add to the legalism of the Jews Jesus contended with but it won't take away from the fact that their issues being dealt with in that context was Sabbath and Jesus dealt with them several times re: Sabbath as they were obviously abusing it.

Your rhetoric is revealing a sensitivity.

That's part of the point being made. It compares to what I pointed out.

This does nothing for the reversal of the point of the lesson to say that we in this era are obligated to observe weekly Sabbath.

You're reading into what I said. I didn't say that section of Scripture ends Sabbath.

There's no need to circle back to OC era Jesus observing Sabbath. I have no argument with this. But it does not prove the OC covenantal sign exists in the NC era.

Repetitive and unconvincing. Your unit of 10 may not be God - the only Law Giver's - unit of 10 any longer. No Scripture succinctly commands the Christian to keep the weekly Sabbath - the OC covenantal sign between God and the children of Israel under the guardianship and teaching of the Mosaic Law.

Actually, I'm just countering your arguments that I find unconvincing and I'm wondering why some of my posts like #603 are not answered (unless I missed the answer), and why I've asked at least 2 SDA advocates about getting into Gal4 with no response, which response MIGHT be quite telling for the correct view of Sabbath, and why Heb4 is being used as a weekly Sabbath commandment for this era, etc.

Thanks for the prayers and I'm not rejecting them, but I am rejecting the context suggesting I need my eyes opened to agree with the SDA position re: the requirement in this era for weekly Sabbath observance for those in Christ who gives us anapausis-rest for our souls while we work and learn from Him, which IMO sounds very much like the relationship man had with His Creator in the Garden and very much like the eternal rest we will have with Him when He ends this already not yet era. This sounds like it could well be better than Saturdays which could be part of the basics the children of Israel were to learn from.

We we are in agreement, you do not find my arguments convincing and I don’t find yours convincing and this will all get sorted out soon enough.

 

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What is your definition of the traditional Sabbath and how can something that is traditional be future when we know nothing about it?
Tradition definition…existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established. Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains (not changed) for the people of God. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

I don’t think we should ignore what it literally translates into Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance when you make accusations the SDA is forcing Sabbath observance in this passage when its what it literally translates into by your own reference.

Here’s a few more…

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

sabbatismos
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a derivation of sabbaton
Definition
a sabbath rest
NASB Word Usage
Sabbath rest (1).

Please at least be fair in posting references (link to Biblehub) for definitions. The following are additional to the one you've posted which is also on the linked page. The bold and underlined highlights are mine.

Under the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance below you can see that "sabbatism" is a derivative word. If the a(A)uthor had desired to use the standard word for the weekly Sabbath, it was available to use. Instead, he uses a derivative word that is used one time in Scripture. There's usually a reason for such unique usage.

Strong's Exhaustive, Thayer's & BDAG (which I posted for you) are recognizing this word has special meaning in the Christian Scriptures. The TWOT Hebrew Lexicon I posted for you earlier also recognizes the special meaning of Sabbath in the Christians Scriptures. What you are posting to counter all of this seems quite selective for a select reason and IMO is undermining your position.

It's obvious from the context of Heb4 that the a(A)uthor is speaking of something much deeper than Saturdays that knowledgeable Christians are being commanded to be diligent & obedient to strive to enter (Heb4:11) - it is something - a promise that remains open (future) for us (Heb4:9). It takes an awful lot of agenda driven work to make this into next Saturday or any Saturday: We don't need to be diligent to enter one Saturday after another, after another, just as we don't need repetitive animal sacrifices with a temporal priesthood that could never accomplish what God ultimately wants accomplished. Our view - our horizon is much bigger and in a sense in Christ we are already in eternity awaiting eternity.


Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

see GREEK sabbaton

Forms and Transliterations
σαββατισμος σαββατισμός σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos sabbatismòs

 

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Christ rest is not the Sabbath rest, these are two different rests. Christ is not the Sabbath commandment. There is a future rest which is Christ ultimate rest and we do not enter Christ rest by being disobedient to God.

I'm just glancing through and am seeing a lot of repetition. This caught my eye and provided an opportunity to say just a few more things to offer a way to break the repetition and have some meaningful discussion.

Firstly, In post #603 which you are ignoring even after I repeated and linked it for you, I provided some information on wording that seems like Jesus is in fact saying He is the real Sabbath. I think it's pretty clear that in Faith in Him and in His Faith which He has handed down to us and lives in us, we as new creatures in the 2nd Adam have entered into the final rest and the new creation that will eventuate in the eternal rest. This is the already and not yet condition many recognize in the NC Scriptures. While remaining in Him in the current condition of rest in Him, we are also being diligent in obedience to God to enter into eternity.

Saturdays thus seem like the covenantal sign and basic teachings of a bygone era. IMO Sundays are just as meaningless to the freedom we have in Christ to be obedient to what God is actually writing on our hearts. According to Heb10, assembling is still important, and the context of that assembling is literally to provoke one another to love and good works, which means at minimum to provoke one another to Christian maturity and then beyond, which is an extremely important pursuit per the NC Writings. I honestly don't think God cares anymore what day or evening we do this. He's provided for His Kingdom to grow in the world in different lands with different cultures & different work schedules, etc., etc.

Also, I have repeatedly suggested to you and others that we wring out Gal4 and the basic principles/elements language, which Paul clearly seems to be applying at minimum to the Mosaic era of the childhood period of the under law/guardianship condition of the children of Israel. I have no takers. It makes no sense to take this avoidance seriously. Either "days & months & seasons & years" includes Sabbath, or it doesn't. Somone simply telling me it doesn't is meaningless to me as it should be to all of us.

 

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Please at least be fair in posting references (link to Biblehub) for definitions.

I am disappointed you keep taking this approach, accusing me of basically being deceitful when I posted the references- posting bible hub is unnecessary when I clearly showed where those references came from NAS Exhaustive Concordance - Thayer's Greek Lexicon- do you post the links to all the things you get references to when you include where those references came from?

The following are additional to the one you've posted which is also on the linked page. The bold and underlined highlights are mine.

Under the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance below you can see that "sabbatism" is a derivative word. If the a(A)uthor had desired to use the standard word for the weekly Sabbath, it was available to use. Instead, he uses a derivative word that is used one time in Scripture. There's usually a reason for such unique usage.

Strong's Exhaustive, Thayer's & BDAG (which I posted for you) are recognizing this word has special meaning in the Christian Scriptures. The TWOT Hebrew Lexicon I posted for you earlier also recognizes the special meaning of Sabbath in the Christians Scriptures. What you are posting to counter all of this seems quite selective for a select reason and IMO is undermining your position.

It's obvious from the context of Heb4 that the a(A)uthor is speaking of something much deeper than Saturdays that knowledgeable Christians are being commanded to be diligent & obedient to strive to enter (Heb4:11) - it is something that remains for us (Heb4:9). It takes an awful lot of agenda driven work to make this into next Saturday or any Saturday: We don't need to be diligent to enter one Saturday after another, after another. Our view - our horizon is much bigger and in a sense in Christ we are in eternity awaiting eternity.


Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

see GREEK sabbaton

Forms and Transliterations
σαββατισμος σαββατισμός σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos sabbatismòs

I noticed you never answered the question of what traditional Sabbath means coming from your own reference....


Bauer-Danker, Greek-English Lexicon of the NT (BDAG)

[BDAG] σαββατισμός
• σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ (σαββατίζω; Plut., Mor. 166a cj.; Just., D. 23, 3) sabbath rest, sabbath observance fig. Hb 4:9 a special period of rest for God’s people modeled after the traditional sabbath (CBarrett, CHDodd Festschr. ’56, 371f [eschat.]). —S. on κατάπαυσις HWeiss, CBQ 58, ’96, 674-89. M-M. TW.

I am also noticing that you keep ignoring the literal translation of this verse which literally means keeping the Sabbath for the people of God, which is consistent with obeying God's commandments and consistent with Jesus and His disciples keeping God's holy Sabbath day. Despite peoples objection to it, the Sabbath is one of God's commandments that no scripture shows it was abrogated.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)


Stong's Exhaustive Concordance means it accounts for "possibilities"

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

see GREEK sabbaton

Forms and Transliterations
σαββατισμος σαββατισμός σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos sabbatismòs

Strong's Concordance takes the literal translation which for some reason keeps being ignored.

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Some more...

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
*† σαββατισμός, - οῦ, ὁ(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath Exod 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
σαββατισμός Σαββᾰτ-ισμός, ὁ, a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Heb 4:9, cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

STRONGS Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism'

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAYER - G4520
G4520 — σαββατισμός σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His [on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3]. God is our example to follow. God worked six days and rested the seventh day, not that He needed rest, but to be our example because we are made in His image to follow Him, not to do our own thing. God literally commands us to follow this same model work six days Exodus 20:9 and rest from our works on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 and keep the Sabbath day holy Exodus 20:8. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Greek word here is "human beings" and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 because He is the Creator of all things including His holy Sabbath day - it points to Him being our Creator and He said clearly, the Sabbath is MY holy day, the day to honor Him Isaiah 58:13 and we should not profane His holy things. Ezekiel 22:8 We receive His rest when we are obedient to everything He asks of us and God did not suggest we keep the Sabbath, it is one of His commandments that no scripture says was abrogated. The new heaven/new earth Sabbath I don't think will be much different as God shows us, we will be doing things in heaven like attending to vineyards and building houses and on the Sabbath all flesh will come before the Lord to worship Him. Isaiah 66:22-23 which is consistent with God's Word. In Heaven there will be continual rest which means no one will be in rebellion to God like there is now and what we are warned about - Today if we hear His voice do not harden our hearts in rebellion Psalms 95:7-8 Hebrews 3:15 as in the trial of the Israelites who rebelled in the wilderness and disobeyed the Sabbath among other things. Ezekiel 20:13, Ezekiel 20:21 which we should not follow their example Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11 during our trial.

 

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I noticed you never answered the question of what traditional Sabbath means coming from your own reference....

What is it you're looking for - creation related rest - a purely constant state in loving relationship with God learning from Him and tending to His creation where righteousness dwells - or taking a nap (at my age) from toiling in this fallen world living as a child under subjection to Law, sin and death and being trained about Messiah by sacrificing animals and gathering for certain days and periods meant to teach us God's calendar for human history to be fulfilled in and by Messiah and hoping we don't miss a Saturday so we won't be killed for disloyalty to the covenant so we get the ever-important concept of loyalty and faithfulness ingrained into us? Sounds like childhood training. Which of these do you think we now have in Christ as we strive for its ultimate fulfillment. I obey Christ in part by resting in Him constantly & continually as I am diligent under His easy yoke and light burden to enter the finality.

I am also noticing that you keep ignoring the literal translation of this verse which literally means keeping the Sabbath for the people of God, which is consistent with obeying God's commandments and despite peoples objection to it, the Sabbath is one of God's commandments.

Some don't ignore the fact that a word, especially a uniquely used word that is a derivative of a widely used word that could have easily been used and that would have been better help to their case, derives its true meaning from the context in which it is used. This is why the Lexicons are going beyond what they can gather from the base word. The a(A)uthor chose this uniquely used word in h(H)is Text to assert something special beyond weekly or periodic sabbaths of the bygone era. You're destroying the beauty of the lesson by minimizing its depth, correlating it to the OC covenantal sign and missing the greater significance of what the creation rest was to be, is, and will be. It's all about true relationship with God that we have in Christ our anapausis-rest for our souls now - not just Saturday. TGIS is every day in Christ.

I had to smile when I realized I had to look at a calendar to see what day it was, so I didn't mistakenly say Sabbath begins this evening! I don't live by clocks and calendars and haven't for some time unless I have an appointment or something with others who live by them. I enjoy my mostly clockless freedom in the rest He provides. I'm glad you have found 1/7th of it.

It's actually pretty simple the more I work on this with you. Thanks for helping.