Trio of Texas Churches Donated to Political Candidate Despite Clear IRS Prohibition - Others put candidate election signs on their property

[SimplyMe]

No fines if they suggest a certain candidate is the best choice?

No, no fines. Just that they may lose their religious non-profit exemption as they have become a political organization, and need to follow the rules of political organizations. Again, this is why I tend to support the Johnson Amendment, it prevents actual political organizations from operating as churches to get tax exempt status.

 

[Hammster]

I certainly don't get that impression.

Maybe that’s because you are reading something into my posts that aren’t there. Just guessing.

I find all theocracy disturbing and un-American.

I can’t see why that would be. You have your false gods that you want to rule. I just have the One True God.

 

[Hammster]

No, no fines. Just that they may lose their religious non-profit exemption as they have become a political organization, and need to follow the rules of political organizations. Again, this is why I tend to support the Johnson Amendment, it prevents actual political organizations from operating as churches to get tax exempt status.

Fine was the wrong word. I should have used penalty.

 

[Belk]

No fines if they suggest a certain candidate is the best choice?

Fines? No, they lose their tax exempt status. But as we have already discussed tax exempt status is not a requirement for free speech.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe that’s because you are reading something into my posts that aren’t there. Just guessing.

Maybe it's your aggressively terse posting style.

I can’t see why that would be. You have your false gods that you want to rule. I just have the One True God.

I think you are mistaken. I have no gods, and neither does the government of the United States.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I can’t see why that would be.

And yet you immediately provide an example of what's disturbing.

You have your false gods that you want to rule. I just have the One True God.

Certainly the Constitution protects your right to be bigoted, but it also forbids the government from being bigoted. In Washington's words "For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

Unfortunately, we're seeing more and more examples of people withholding their support, or even working to thwart, the Government of the United States and its mandate from We The People.

 

[Hammster]

Maybe it's your aggressively terse posting style.

I doubt that’s it.

I think you are mistaken. I have no gods, and neither does the government of the United States.

Yeah. Okay.

 

[Hammster]

And yet you immediately provide an example of what's disturbing.

I didn’t say that my views wouldn’t disturb you. I’m going after your idol.

Certainly the Constitution protects your right to be bigoted, but it also forbids the government from being bigoted. In Washington's words "For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

Unfortunately, we're seeing more and more examples of people withholding their support, or even working to thwart, the Government of the United States and its mandate from We The People.

Maybe. But I’m certainly not one of them. I love my country and want to go back to the principles that we started with.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe. But I’m certainly not one of them. I love my country and want to go back to the principles that we started with.

Do those principles include the secular form of government?

 

[Hammster]

Do those principles include the secular form of government?

Of course not. I want things to improve. Secularism is just soft Satanism.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Of course not. I want things to improve.

So you want to go back to only some of the principles that we started with. And remove some of the other principles that we started with.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Of course not. I want things to improve. Secularism is just soft Satanism.

I'm glad I wasn't drinking or I'd need a new keyboard.

Secularism doesn't have anything to do with Satanism any more than it has to do with Christianity. Secularism is just government neutrality on religion (including irreligion). That's all we want. We don't want to dedicate City Hall to Satan. (I don't even believe in the existence of Satan.)

Secular government is our shared "peanut butter". It doesn't need your Christian chocolate or anyone's satanic almonds added to it. Just, nice smooth peanut butter, minding its own business and not imposing religion of any kind on anyone.

 

[Hammster]

So you want to go back to only some of the principles that we started with. And remove some of the other principles that we started with.

No.

 

[Hammster]

I'm glad I wasn't drinking or I'd need a new keyboard.

Secularism doesn't have anything to do with Satanism any more than it has to do with Christianity. Secularism is just government neutrality on religion (including irreligion). That's all we want. We don't want to dedicate City Hall to Satan. (I don't even believe in the existence of Satan.)

Secular government is our shared "peanut butter". It doesn't need your Christian chocolate or anyone's satanic almonds added to it. Just, nice smooth peanut butter, minding its own business and not imposing religion of any kind on anyone.

The lie of neutrality. One of Satan’s greatest. He even has some Christians believing it. No, it’s either Christ or chaos.

 

[essentialsaltes]

No.

The secular nature of the Constitution (and the federal government it brought about) is one of its more unique (for its time) principles. If you want to discard it, then you are not at all trying to conserve the vision of the Founders.

 

[Belk]

The lie of neutrality. One of Satan’s greatest. He even has some Christians believing it. No, it’s either Christ or chaos.

Tell us, is there a "Christian" math or is math chaos?

 

[rambot]

I can’t see why that would be. You have your false gods that you want to rule. I just have the One True God.

I know you're being trite but you DO know what a "theocracy" is right? Because this demonstrates you don't quite know.

 

[rambot]

The lie of neutrality. One of Satan’s greatest. He even has some Christians believing it. No, it’s either Christ or chaos.

Do you understand the point that is being made there?

He's talking about how a government rules over its citizenry.

A government cannot go to "hell" and a government is ALWAYS bigger than just one person (at least in democracies).

There is a HUGE difference between chaos and Secular leadership.

 

[DaisyDay]

And yet you immediately provide an example of what's disturbing.


Certainly the Constitution protects your right to be bigoted, but it also forbids the government from being bigoted. In Washington's words "For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

Unfortunately, we're seeing more and more examples of people withholding their support, or even working to thwart, the Government of the United States and its mandate from We The People.

I think the word "demean" has changed meaning since that time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I think the word "demean" has changed meaning since that time.

There are two separate words that happen to be spelled the same.
Demean Verb2
': to conduct or behave (oneself) usually in a proper manner'

The paragraph on "Did You Know?" provides more about the etymologies.