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Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

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NKJ Rom3:9-20 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."​
NKJ Psalm 14:1 <To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.> The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.​
NKJ Psalm 53:1 <To the Chief Musician. Set to "Mahalath." A Contemplation1 of David.> The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. 2 God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. 3 Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.​
  • The children of men
13 "Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit"; "The poison of asps is under their lips";​
NKJ Psalm 5:1 <To the Chief Musician. With flutes1. A Psalm of David.> Give ear to my words, O LORD, Consider my meditation. 2 Give heed to the voice of my cry, My King and my God, For to You I will pray. 3 My voice You shall hear in the morning, O LORD; In the morning I will direct it to You, And I will look up. 4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. 5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. 6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man. 7 But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy; In fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple. 8 Lead me, O LORD, in Your righteousness because of my enemies; Make Your way straight before my face. 9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; Their inward part is destruction; Their throat is an open tomb; They flatter with their tongue.​
NKJ Psalm 140:1 <To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.> Deliver me, O LORD, from evil men; Preserve me from violent men, 2 Who plan evil things in their hearts; They continually gather together for war. 3 They sharpen their tongues like a serpent; The poison of asps is under their lips. Selah.​
  • Wicked men, evil men, boastful, workers of iniquity, liars, bloodthirsty & deceitful, no faithfulness in what they say, etc.
14 "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." - Psalm10​
15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; - Proverbs1; Isaiah59​
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways; - Isaiah59​
17 And the way of peace they have not known." - Isaiah59​
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."​
NKJ Psalm 36:1 <To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David the servant of the LORD.> An oracle within my heart concerning the transgression of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes.​
  • The transgression of the wicked man - Greek LXX calls him the paranomos man - the lawless man - Hebrew calls him a criminal
Rom3:19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under in the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds works of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.​

Observations:
  • All Jews & Greeks are under sin Rom3:9
  • 9 verses referencing the children of men, evil men, wicked men, etc. Even if some of the references speak of Jewish men, the references are proving all Jews & Greeks are under sin
  • Rom3:19 continues the context and says the law speaks to men who are in the law and then elaborates with "all mouths" & "all the world" - this obviously continues the theme in context of all Jews & Greeks - all men
    • Rom3:20 draws a conclusion ("therefore"); no flesh (no man whether Jew or Greek, no mouth, none in the world) will be declared righteous from works of law.
      • Works of law are being correlated to all men whether Jew or Greek
      • If we were to insert the following argument, it would seem completely out of context & apart from substantial proof texting done by Paul and would need to be somehow reasoned from other Scripture re: works of law:
        • The law was only for Jews
          • Therefore only Jews could do works of law
            • Therefore by saying no flesh could do works of law, this means Jews and would include Greeks because they have no law and therefore cannot do works of law
    • NKJ Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without [participation in] law will also perish without [participation in] law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law.
      • This is the first verse in Romans in which "law" is used.
      • This is also the precedent for the phrase "in the law" in Romans - repeated in Rom3:19
      • I have inserted the words in the brackets because the Greek word Paul uses here is only used one time in Scripture and is lexically defined as "without participation in an organized legal system" (BDAG). Assuming this to be an accurate definition, Rom2:12 is not saying there is no law, or they have no law, it's rather saying they're not participating in the law that exists.
      • IMO if we go back to Rom1:8-2:11 we can see who Paul is talking about. People that simply rejected God even knowing what they do is worthy of death. They know He exists - they don't care - they reject Him - even though they are "in Law" per Paul that they know makes them worthy of death for what they do.
  • IMO, works of law in Rom3:19-20 relates to all men no matter Jew or Greek and tells us all men are liable to - "in" - God's Law.
 
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Let us not play silly games. You are a Seventh Day Adventist and you believe that her visions and theology is from God. She said that Sabbath is the most important and for us and so you believe so.

The Bible is interpreted in the "light" of the Ellen White writings, in your church. You are "sola scriptura" only when it suits your case.
A thread basically on that subject:

Some interesting posts on the last page, if I do say so myself
 
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I believe God established scripture. And the people that he used to do that worshiped primarily on the first day.

This is where it gets interesting:
Jesus says of the people on the broad path that he never knew them.

But he was directing the people that he used to establish the scriptures, and that sounds to me like he knew them.
According to scripture God’s first church kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4, Acts 17:2 Acts 13:42-44, the day Jesus expected His people to keep long after He ascended back to heaven Matthew 24:20. You will not find Sunday worship in scripture. It’s not a day God sanctified for holy use but is a day to do work and labor Exodus 20:9 according to God. The Sabbath was not changed officially until the 3rd century by man just as predicted Dan 7:25 but there has always been a remnant who keep God’s commandments Revelation 12:17 just the way He commands. Deut 4:2 Exodus 20

We probably will never agree and thats okay so I will leave it at that, agree to disagree. Take care
 
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According to scripture God’s first church kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4, Acts 17:2 Acts 13:42-44, the day Jesus expected His people to keep long after He ascended back to heaven Matthew 24:20. You will not find Sunday worship in scripture. It’s not a day God sanctified for holy use but is a day to do work and labor Exodus 20:9 according to God. The Sabbath was not changed officially until the 3rd century by man just as predicted Dan 7:25 but there has always been a remnant who keep God’s commandments Revelation 12:17 just the way He commands. Deut 4:2 Exodus 20

We probably will never agree and thats okay so I will leave it at that, agree to disagree. Take care
Basically the same people who were allegedly violating God's laws by changing times and seasons were the ones God used to establish the scriptures. Or did he? Maybe we shouldn't pay attention to what they said.

Maybe we're better off picking out our own scriptures.

That's what I remember finding in the past. Are you interested in exploring it together?
 
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A thread basically on that subject:

Some interesting posts on the last page, if I do say so myself
It seems like the Seventh Day Adventist strategy, to pretend they read/talk only about Bible, when talking to other protestants.

It is known that their mission is to spread their teachings (mainly about Sabbath, YEC and veganism) in other churches, so their mission field are other Christians - maybe thats why the initial hiding of their true sources. They know that if they began with "we believe a woman from the 19th century to be a prophet...", nobody in a protestant church would listen.

When other Christians talk about creeds, first century writings and other documents, they quickly dismiss it, they do not want to talk about it - "its a tradition of men". But they hold books of Ellen White and the beliefs of the SDA church behind their backs.

I think this missionary focus on protestant Christians is the explanation why they are for example much more active debating other Christians on internet, compared to their relatives, Jehovah Witnesses.
 
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It seems like the Seventh Day Adventist strategy, to pretend they read/talk only about Bible, when talking to other protestants.

It is known that their mission is to spread their teachings (mainly about Sabbath, YEC and veganism) in other churches, so their mission field are other Christians - maybe thats why the initial hiding of their true sources. They know that if they began with "we believe a woman from the 19th century to be a prophet...", nobody in a protestant church would listen.

When other Christians talk about creeds, first century writings and other documents, they quickly dismiss it, they do not want to talk about it - "its a tradition of men". But they hold books of Ellen White and the beliefs of the SDA church behind their backs.

I think this missionary focus on protestant Christians is the explanation why they are for example much more active debating other Christians on internet, compared to their relatives, Jehovah Witnesses.
We often hear an "I have only provided scripture" approach. Of course, what is provided is scripture plus commentary.

I readily admit that I post scripture plus commentary. That's what makes for an interesting discussion imo. Otherwise, we could all just do our own word searches and post to the results and leave it at that :D

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Funny thing, doing that word search I came across this passage

Sometimes we hear the idea that things like new moon feasts and animal sacrifices were not part of God's law, that they were part of some other law, like the law of Moses or something.

But it turns out those things are part of God's law just as much as anything else. And that's my commentary :)
 
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According to scripture God’s first church kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4, Acts 17:2 Acts 13:42-44, the day Jesus expected His people to keep long after He ascended back to heaven Matthew 24:20.
Surely you must realize that people will understand the difference between people actually did, and what God wants them to do. Telling us that people continued to meet on the Sabbath does no work at all in proving that this what God wanted them to do.

Now about this:

Moreover, pray that [a]when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

This does not really tell us what Jesus believes about the appropriateness of continuing to honor the Sabbath - He could simply know that people will maintain that tradition even though He may may not approve of it.
 
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Surely you must realize that people will understand the difference between people actually did, and what God wants them to do. Telling us that people continued to meet on the Sabbath does no work at all in proving that this what God wanted them to do.

Now about this:

Moreover, pray that [a]when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

This does not really tell us what Jesus believes about the appropriateness of continuing to honor the Sabbath - He could simply know that people will maintain that tradition even though He may may not approve of it.
This came to my mind, a thing that Paul did that we don't do today
 
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According to scripture God’s first church kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4, Acts 17:2 Acts 13:42-44
No, its according to Ellen White.

The Scriptures you have provided are not about the first church meetings or sabbath keeping, but about Paul (and Barnabas) reasoning with people in synagogues. So again, your Seventh Day Adventist views instead of what the Bible really says.
 
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No, its according to Ellen White.

The Scriptures you have provided are not about the first church meetings or sabbath keeping, but about Paul (and Barnabas) reasoning with people in synagogues. So again, your Seventh Day Adventist views instead of what the Bible really says.
Ellen White never wrote the book of Acts, or the Ten Commandments you give her way too much credit.

God said in the Sabbath commandment "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" Exodus 20:8-11

We see the apostles and Jesus showing examples of keeping the Sabbath commandment

Preaching, teaching the word of God, prayers, persuading Jews and Greeks is most certainly an example of Sabbath-keeping.

Acts 18:4 Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. 5 When Silas and Timothy came from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching, testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

Reading God's Word on the Sabbath is another example of keeping the Sabbath holy as per the commandment

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3
explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

Acts 16:3 13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”

The apostles were creating churches in various locations and preaching the gospel every Sabbath which is inline which what God and Jesus says and they remind us what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 which of course remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy is part of God's commandments. This is the example of the first church in scripture. What happened after scripture we were warned about....Acts 20:29
 
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Preaching, teaching the word of God, prayers, persuading Jews and Greeks is most certainly an example of Sabbath-keeping.
Misleading. Once more, the fact that people kept the Sabbath is clearly not evidence that this was God's intent - people do all sorts of things that God does not want them to do.

Surely have to know this - how is is possible that you do not know that the fact that people did something does not mean that is what God wants.

I am not saying this proves that the Sabbath is done away with. But surely you must understand that when people read your claim that the fact of Sabbath observance is evidence that same is sanctioned, they will know this line of reasoning simply does not work.
 
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Ellen White never wrote the book of Acts, or the Ten Commandments you give her way too much credit.

God said in the Sabbath commandment "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" Exodus 20:8-11

We see the apostles and Jesus showing examples of keeping the Sabbath commandment

Preaching, teaching the word of God, prayers, persuading Jews and Greeks is most certainly an example of Sabbath-keeping.

Acts 18:4 Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. 5 When Silas and Timothy came from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching, testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

Reading God's Word on the Sabbath is another example of keeping the Sabbath holy as per the commandment

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Acts 17: 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3
explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

Acts 16:3 13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”

The apostles were creating churches in various locations and preaching the gospel every Sabbath which is inline which what God and Jesus says and they remind us what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 which of course remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy is part of God's commandments. This is the example of the first church in scripture. What happened after scripture we were warned about....Acts 20:29
I am reasoning with you today, which does not mean I keep Mondays.

Please, stop adding your SDA tradition to Scriptures.
 
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Misleading. Once more, the fact that people kept the Sabbath is clearly not evidence that this was God's intent - people do all sorts of things that God does not want them to do.

Surely have to know this - how is is possible that you do not know that the fact that people did something does not mean that is what God wants.

I am not saying this proves that the Sabbath is done away with. But surely you must understand that when people read your claim that the fact of Sabbath observance is evidence that same is sanctioned, they will know this line of reasoning simply does not work.
There is nothing misleading that preaching the gospel every Sabbath, teaching the word of God, reading the Word of God, having prayer on the Sabbath is not an example of Sabbath-keeping. Jesus said He kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments and is our example to follow John 15:10, 1 John 2:6.
 
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Jesus went to the feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem

That feast is coming back, if this is taken literally
 
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Misleading. Once more, the fact that people kept the Sabbath is clearly not evidence that this was God's intent - people do all sorts of things that God does not want them to do.

Surely have to know this - how is is possible that you do not know that the fact that people did something does not mean that is what God wants.

I am not saying this proves that the Sabbath is done away with. But surely you must understand that when people read your claim that the fact of Sabbath observance is evidence that same is sanctioned, they will know this line of reasoning simply does not work.
Scripture trumps democracy no matter the numbers of votes or the self-appointed rulers.

Right now, it seems to be some of about 1.2b + another 900k-1b saying we must meet on Sunday.

Then I've seen the number 22m SDA say Saturday and add another approx. 350k Messianics.

I wonder how many disagree with all of them and aren't guided by numbers of people.
 
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Scripture trumps democracy no matter the numbers of votes or the self-appointed rulers.

Right now, it seems to be some of about 1.2b + another 900k-1b saying we must meet on Sunday.

Then I've seen the number 22m SDA say Saturday and add another approx. 350k Messianics.

I wonder how many disagree with all of them and aren't guided by numbers of people.
Yes, its never been about the majority Revelation 12:17 KJV, I'm not sure the actual number of Sabbath-keepers and sure it pales in comparison to Sunday keepers but here's a list someone came up with of those who keep Sabbath A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies
 
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someone came up with of those who keep Sabbath A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies
I just randomly searched for "Grace Cowboy Church", because of the funny name.

And their website says:
Service Times:
Sunday: Worship - 9 am
Bible Round-Up - 10 am
Wednesday - 6:30 pm


So, I would not trust that list too much, similarly to other lists and "factual" claims SDA proponents/Sabbath keepers made on this forum.
 
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I just randomly searched for "Grace Cowboy Church", because of the funny name.

And their website says:
Service Times:
Sunday: Worship - 9 am
Bible Round-Up - 10 am
Wednesday - 6:30 pm


So, I would not trust that list too much, similarly to other lists and "factual" claims SDA proponents made on this forum.
I did not write the list or verify it, some churches like Baptists for example have churches that keep the first day and some that are seventh day keepers so perhaps that the same with this one, I don't know, I can't imagine they have significant members but who knows, I agree they have a funny name must be from Texas.

Here's another list I found, again not sure how accurate....

 
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Right now, it seems to be some of about 1.2b + another 900k-1b saying we must meet on Sunday.
The RCC puts it in a manner it is a must, a replacement of the Sabbath.

But where did you get the "must" for the rest? The vast majority of protestants do not see worshiping on Sunday as some commandment/must, it has simply been the most suitable day, traditionally.

Regarding eastern orthodox, I do not know.
 
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