Time to outlaw public schools

[essentialsaltes]

Why do we criminalize bombs and bomb-making, when it makes much more sense to ban airplanes, marathons, historically black churches, universities, abortion clinics, the Olympics, etc.?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I don’t. That’s the job of the…wait for it…parents.

So you implicitly trust all the other parents to do as good a job, so that by the time their children and your children emerge into the same society, everyone is well educated?

That's....brave



Of course, I'm ignoring the massive economic upheaval that has taken place since a huge proportion of the workforce has resigned to take on home-schooling duties, but that's OK, employers can just import Mexican immigrants to take over the American jobs left open by Big Homeschool.

 

[PloverWing]

What makes you think that your way of understanding things is the way that everyone should understand things.

I gather that you disagree with my viewpoint. Are you saying that it is unimportant to you whether the people in your community and nation are educated?

 

[essentialsaltes]

And, third, as we’ve seen, why do think government schools that actually do have oversight are better?

Here's another man's opinion.

Craig Johnson, a father who describes himself as a “pro-life, gun loving native of Woodland Park,” transferred three of his children to a neighboring district in Manitou Springs [after a new conservative school board in his own district cut mental health services]. That district said 47 students from Woodland Park are transferring in the fall.

Johnson said he was particularly bothered that the district’s leaders thought mental health was best left for parents to address at home.

“There are lots of kids for whom home is a problem place, unfortunately,” Johnson said. “So don’t tell me mental health starts at home when we have examples of parents murdering at home.”

 

[Hammster]

was this whole thread just some dumb analogy you're planning to spring on us shortly? (Like the "leg" thread where you haven't sprung your "trap".)

What trap would I be setting?

 

[Hammster]

On an unrelated note

@Hammster why do you call yourself a "pasty-faced white boy"?

are you suffering from White Liberal Guilt?

Line from a song.

 

[Hammster]

"Best" States for Homeschooling​

Meanwhile, in other states, parents only have to file the initial paperwork and then they are completely on their own with very little requirements from their state government.
These states are often labeled homeschooling friendly or the "best states for homeschooling" because they allow parents to be autonomous and guide their child's education as they see fit. What's more, in these states, officials typically require less record-keeping, less testing, and less reporting than other states.

Alaska​

Under the homeschool statute, there are no requirements to notify the state, get approval, take tests, or to be a certified teacher.

Idaho​

Parents who homeschool their kids in Idaho don't have to possess any particular qualifications like some states require.6 Additionally, they are not required to obtain district approval or test their children. And if their local school district asks for information about their homeschool program, they are not legally required to provide it.

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We need more.

Incest!

That started when homeschools became a thing? Are you sure?

'As we've seen'?

What have we seen? 1 story in the OP? Have you seen the link Nith provided on abuse in homeschools?

In most states, employees in public schools are all mandatory reporters. Homeschoolers in some states don't have to check in occasionally to even tell anyone their kid is still alive, much less how they're doing at algebra.

We see how well the reporting went. No, something bad happened. Schools should be shuttered.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What trap would I be setting?

"trap", not really a trap, but some "devious ploy" to make some "point".

Plus it was a question which you "answered" by another question. Seems sus to me.

 

[Hammster]

I gather that you disagree with my viewpoint. Are you saying that it is unimportant to you whether the people in your community and nation are educated?

Not at all. But education will start with a particular point of view. There are presuppositions. And I’m not sure I agree with yours.

 

[Hammster]

Here's another man's opinion.

Craig Johnson, a father who describes himself as a “pro-life, gun loving native of Woodland Park,” transferred three of his children to a neighboring district in Manitou Springs [after a new conservative school board in his own district cut mental health services]. That district said 47 students from Woodland Park are transferring in the fall.

Johnson said he was particularly bothered that the district’s leaders thought mental health was best left for parents to address at home.

“There are lots of kids for whom home is a problem place, unfortunately,” Johnson said. “So don’t tell me mental health starts at home when we have examples of parents murdering at home.”

I have no idea what point you are making with this post.

 

[Hammster]

Plus it was a question which you "answered" by another question. Seems sus to me.

Sus? Like this?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sus? Like this?

That's the question you haven't answered right there in that link.

 

[Hammster]

That's the question you haven't answered right there in that link.

You do realize that you answered my question with a question, right? Or is there a double standard?

 

[PloverWing]

Not at all. But education will start with a particular point of view. There are presuppositions. And I’m not sure I agree with yours.

Yes, you and I probably do disagree about many things. And that will influence what ideas and values we want to have taught to our children.

I still want to hear implementation details. How do you want to see education work in the US? Maybe you're picturing that all parents of school-aged children will take a 10-or-20-year break from working outside the home to educate their children. The families will need some source of income, and they'll need resources for science labs and musical instruments, and the parents may need training in whatever subjects they're weak in (do you speak Spanish? do you play viola? is your calculus rusty?), but it could work. Tell me about how you see that implemented, making sure that all families have access to the needed resources.

Or, maybe you envision every family in the country having a full-time tutor come to the home. Some wealthy families have done that in the past. How would that work, in a way that ensures that every family in the country has a tutor?

Or, maybe you envision clusters of private schools. If every church in the country operated its own tuition-free school, that could be one education model. Is that what you have in mind?

I want to hear something specific. Yes, there are drawbacks to the education model in which 25 students sit in rows and listen to a teacher. You want education done differently. Okay. Tell me how you want education done.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have no idea what point you are making with this post.

That's fine. Plenty of other people here reading these exchanges.

 

[Hammster]

Yes, you and I probably do disagree about many things. And that will influence what ideas and values we want to have taught to our children.

I still want to hear implementation details. How do you want to see education work in the US? Maybe you're picturing that all parents of school-aged children will take a 10-or-20-year break from working outside the home to educate their children. The families will need some source of income, and they'll need resources for science labs and musical instruments, and the parents may need training in whatever subjects they're weak in (do you speak Spanish? do you play viola? is your calculus rusty?), but it could work. Tell me about how you see that implemented, making sure that all families have access to the needed resources.

Or, maybe you envision every family in the country having a full-time tutor come to the home. Some wealthy families have done that in the past. How would that work, in a way that ensures that every family in the country has a tutor?

Or, maybe you envision clusters of private schools. If every church in the country operated its own tuition-free school, that could be one education model. Is that what you have in mind?

I want to hear something specific. Yes, there are drawbacks to the education model in which 25 students sit in rows and listen to a teacher. You want education done differently. Okay. Tell me how you want education done.

Homeschool. It already works for millions of families.

 

[Hammster]

That's fine. Plenty of other people here reading these exchanges.

Okay. You could try to explain your point, though.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Homeschooling gone bad:

Here's a homeschooler who should have been working on finishing his HS diploma, but went out of state to commit federal crimes instead:

Bruno Cua arrested on February 5, 2021

A little obstruction, a bit of assault. Would a real school have stopped him? Hard to say, but maybe his parents wouldn't have let him skip out in the middle of the first week of school after the new year to take a 500-mile trip. Instead he faces up to 5 years in prison to be determined tomorrow by a federal judge.

 

[Hammster]

Homeschooling gone bad:

Here's a homeschooler who should have been working on finishing his HS diploma, but went out of state to commit federal crimes instead:

Bruno Cua arrested on February 5, 2021

A little obstruction, a bit of assault. Would a real school have stopped him? Hard to say, but maybe his parents wouldn't have let him skip out in the middle of the first week of school after the new year to take a 500-mile trip. Instead he faces up to 5 years in prison to be determined tomorrow by a federal judge.

Lol. Yes, because we know that government school students never commit crimes.

 

[essentialsaltes]

maybe his parents wouldn't have let him skip out in the middle of the first week of school after the new year to take a 500-mile trip.

Hey, a field trip to DC can be quite educational! Coincidentally, my spouse will be riding herd on students taking part in Close Up DC later this month.