Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

[SabbathBlessings]

Indeed, and again we see a common tactic being deployed - taking words from the lips of Paul / Jesus and doing great violence to their meaning and acting as if changing the meaning of words is somehow OK. Consider this from Matthew 24:

“Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”.......Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Just you watch what people will do with "this generation" - to fit their theology, they need to mangle it to mean something like "in 2000 years or more - many, many generations after this generation in fact - these things will come to pass".

With that kind of editorial licence, the sky is the limit.

There is no earthy temple anymore and Jesus predicted it would be destroyed and that came true in 70AD, but God does not minister from an earthy temple, but from a Heavenly Temple made by God. The earthy temple was an exact replica of God’s heavenly Temple.

Hebrews 8:1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

Our bodies are also a temple for the Holy Spirit which is why we must keep them clean and not defile our temple.

1 Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’

 

[BobRyan]

Heaven is heaven, Old Covenant is Old Covenant.

Agreed and New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 is New Covenant Heb 8:6-12 - where the Law of God is written on the heart for the one that is born again.

Revelation is a book of metaphors

True.

, not a book of doctrines.

IT is on the doctrine of final events we call it eschatology - the events leading up to the second coming.

2 Tim 3: "16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

We can no more dismiss the book of revelation than we can dismiss Matt 24..

 

[Clare73]

I don't think you are following the point.

I am not complaining about Christ's choice in John 15 to present himself as a vine - using the symbolism of a vine.

What I am saying is that even though he can use salt as a symbol saying "you are the salt of the earth"
Or using bread as a symbol in John 6 saying "I am the bread that came down out of heaven"
Or use a vine as a symbol in John 15 saying "I am the VINE you are branches" --

IT does not mean that with the coming of Jesus as the Messiah and His ascension to heaven - then we have no salt, or no vines, or no bread.

Relevance?

Who said there were no vines at the coming of Jesus?
Are you confusing the vine with the branches that have been cut off?
"Cut off" in the analogy means they were not saved, they are cut off from Christ, the vine, as testified to by their lack of fruit.
It's not about personal physical destruction, it's about not being in Christ, the vine, which subjects one to eternal damnation.

nothing.

IN John 15 he cuts off the branches and burns them in the fire if they bear no fruit. Adam and Eve would be examples of ones that fell away - became lost and had to be saved by the gospel. But that did not "do away with vines" or branches . We still have them literally.

Yes, they still exist, but they are cut off from Christ, unbelievers as proven by their absence of Holy Spirit fruit.

They can be used to symbolize "something else". But they still remain.

They don't symbolize anything outside the analogy.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is not created,

Evidently you don't understand the meaning of creation. . .the man (human nature of the Messiah) Jesus of Nazareth was created, the man did not always exist.

He is the Creator of all things Col 1:16 but came in human form to show us an example of how to live and sacrificed Himself for the forgiveness of sin when we repent and turn from sin (breaking God’s law Romans 7:7) Jesus also said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28, not that He is the Sabbath.
There is no scripture that Jesus is the Sabbath and pointing to 2 chapters in the Bible and claiming its there, but not pointing to a specific verse that says Jesus is the Sabbath is not a convincing argument…. But we have these Words- written and spoken by God that He said cannot be altered- the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and the Sabbath is My holy day Isaiah 58:13. and commanded us to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Exodus 20:8 because we were made in the image of God to follow His example who rested on the seventh day Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3 Hebrews 4:4

Hebrews 4:10 clearly speaks of two rests, Christ rest and the Sabbath rest and tells us how to receive Christ rest, which is not by being disobedient to God and His commandments.

When did resting, from our own works to save ourselves (Eph 2:8-9) and in Christ's completed work which saves, become disobedience to God?

You're boot-strapping again.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Evidently you don't understand the meaning of creation. . .the man (human nature of the Messiah) Jesus of Nazareth was created, the man not always exist.

Jesus has always existed and Created everything Col 1:16, but came in human form to save us from our sins, not in them, Matthew 1 :21. Coming in human form, does not mean He never existed until taking on human nature, so no He was not created, but the Creator.

When did resting, from our own works to save ourselves (Eph 2:8-9)

We cannot save ourselves only Jesus saves by His grace through our faith Eph 2:8. Faith upholds the law Romans 3:31

and in Christ's completed work which saves, become disobedience to God?

You are making arguments no one is making my post was about obedience to His commandments, the Sabbath is a commandment. You claim Jesus is the Sabbath, but yet to provide scripture to this and seem to ignore the very Words of Jesus who said He is Lord of the Sabbath, not I am the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a commandment of God, not a commandment Jesus gave Himself.

 

[Clare73]

We cannot save ourselves only Jesus saves by His grace through our faith Eph 2:8. Faith upholds the law Romans 3:31

You are making arguments no one is making my post was about obedience to His commandments, the Sabbath is a commandment.

It was given before the commandments, and has the nature of more than just a commandment

You claim Jesus is the Sabbath,

Rest = Sabbath = Jesus (Sabbath rest)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It was given before the commandments, and has the nature of more than just a commandment

Rest = Sabbath = Jesus (our Sabbath rest)

We have free will to believe what we want, but we are only sanctified by the Truth of God’s Word. John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Ezekiel 20:12

For me, I choose to believe God’s definition and His Words all are thus saith the Lord or personally written and spoken by God. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 that Jesus is Lord of Mark 2:28. There is no scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath which is a day and a commandment to God’s people. Jesus is not a commandment or a day, He is the Lord of the Sabbath because He is the Creator and not the creation. The Sabbath is a creation of Jesus, the day to keep Holy, the Lords holy day according to His own words Isaiah 58:13 which I choose to believe and follow as instructed by God.

 

[Clare73]

We have free will to believe what we want, but we are only sanctified by the Truth of God’s Word.

Which is precisely were this comes from:

Rest <---> Sabbath <---> Jesus (Sabbath rest)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Which is precisely were this comes from:

Rest <--> Sabbath <--> Jesus (our Sabbath rest)

I don’t think thus saith Clare is the same as thus saith the Lord, which is perhaps why you can’t point to one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

Jesus gives rest, but thats not the same as Jesus is the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:10 shows clearly these rest are different. To enter His rest we also cease (rest) from our works as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 Genesis 2:1-3 which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and God’s holy day Isaiah 58:13 that Jesus is Lord of Mark 2:28 instead being something He created.

Anyway, no point in continuing as I don’t think either of us will change our minds and it will all get sorted out soon enough.

God bless and wish you well in seeking Truth to His Word.

 

[Clare73]

I don’t think thus saith Clare is the same as thus saith the Lord, which is perhaps why you can’t point to one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath.

Nor can I point to one Scripture that says God is triune.
But in both cases, I can point to Scriptures which demonstrate each.

Just as the OT clearly states only one God, and the NT presents three divine persons,
so the OT clearly states the seventh day as their Sabbath rest, and the NT presents Jesus as our Sabbath rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

For those interested…

 

[Clare73]

Just as the OT clearly states only one God, and the NT presents three divine persons,
so the OT clearly states the seventh day as their Sabbath rest , and the NT presents Jesus as our Sabbath rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Just as the OT clearly states only one God, and the NT presents three divine persons,
so the OT clearly states the seventh day as their Sabbath rest , and the NT presents Jesus as our Sabbath rest.

New Testament states His rest and the Sabbath rest (commandment) are different:

For he who has entered His rest (Christ rest) has himself also ceased from his works (Sabbath rest) as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 Genesis 2:1-3 which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and God’s holy day Isaiah 58:13 that Jesus is Lord of “Creator” Mark 2:28 instead being something He created, the Sabbath. Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains (not changed) for God’s people. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

There is scripture for One God in three person, but no scripture that says Jesus became the Sabbath, something He created and we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, that is Eisegesis.

Signing out for now.

God bless!

 

[pasifika]

Hi

New Testament states His rest and the Sabbath rest (commandment) are different:

For he who has entered His rest (Christ rest) has himself also ceased from his works (Sabbath rest) as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 Genesis 2:1-3 which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10 and God’s holy day Isaiah 58:13 that Jesus is Lord of “Creator” Mark 2:28 instead being something He created, the Sabbath. Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains (not changed) for God’s people. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

There is scripture for One God in three person, but no scripture that says Jesus became the Sabbath, something He created and we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, that is Eisegesis.

Signing out for now.

God bless!

Hi @SabbathBlessings, @Clare73 this considering the "rest" in Hebrews 4:10. This question is for you both. When someone "ceased from his/her work" is that mean temporarily or permanent rest? For instance, the creation account, God work 6 days then "rest" on the 7th day. So God rest (ceased from his work on 7th day) a temporary or permanent rest?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hi
Hi @SabbathBlessings, @Clare73 this considering the "rest" in Hebrews 4:10. This question is for you both. When someone "ceased from his/her work" is that mean temporarily or permanent rest? For instance, the creation account, God work 6 days then "rest" on the 7th day. So God rest (ceased from his work on 7th day) a temporary or permanent rest?

That is a very interesting question. Scripture doesn't tell us what God did on the eighth day, or the ninth day, etc., etc., etc. If one chooses to think that God went back to work on the eighth day, etc. then, obviously, his work of creation had not been completed on the sixth day. On the other hand, if God stopped working at the end of the sixth day and has rested perpetually, then it is a very potent message of a believer's rest in Jesus Christ.

To put it another way, there have been some who believe that the work of Jesus Christ was not completed on the cross and, for example, He must undergo continual sacrifice on various altars to the end of the age so that mankind's sins might truly and actually be forgiven. Some also believe that Christians are required to add their own works to His so that they might be saved (synergism). The opposite view would be those who believe that the work has been completed, once and for all, by Jesus Christ, and that all one must do is to join Him in His rest from His work.

 

[pasifika]

That is a very interesting question. Scripture doesn't tell us what God did on the eighth day, or the ninth day, etc., etc., etc. If one chooses to think that God went back to work on the eighth day, etc. then, obviously, his work of creation had not been completed on the sixth day. On the other hand, if God stopped working at the end of the sixth day and has rested perpetually, then it is a very potent message of a believer's rest in Jesus Christ.

To put it another way, there have been some who believe that the work of Jesus Christ was not completed on the cross and, for example, He must undergo continual sacrifice on various altars to the end of the age so that mankind's sins might truly and actually be forgiven. Some also believe that Christians are required to add their own works to His so that they might be saved (synergism). The opposite view would be those who believe that the work has been completed, once and for all, by Jesus Christ, and that all one must do is to join Him in His rest from His work.

Thank you for your response, appreciate it. Good points, as in Hebrews 4:3 ...And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world"...

I think that is the kind of rest that Hebrews 4 is trying to convey to us (Christians), the kind of "rest" In which God had on the 7th day after His work. (A complete rest no work after). A rest from slavery to Sin a rest we can only find in Christ.

Hebrews 4:10..for anyone who enters God's Rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His..

Some, religions interpret the "rest" (Sabbath rest) of Hebrews 4 as a normal weekly rest but is more than that. A weekly rest is more of a temporary rest as you do your normal works week after week meaning you've not completed your works, in contrast to God complete work in creation.

 

[trophy33]

Agreed and New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 is New Covenant Heb 8:6-12 - where the Law of God is written on the heart for the one that is born again.

True.

IT is on the doctrine of final events we call it eschatology - the events leading up to the second coming.

2 Tim 3: "16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

We can no more dismiss the book of revelation than we can dismiss Matt 24..

Identifying the purpose of a book and its language is not dismissing the book, its using the book properly.

Saying the opposite to it like "it will happen soon means it did not happen soon" is dismissing the book, though. Because neither "soon" nor other similar warnings are metaphors.

 

[trophy33]

Time is relative. What seems like a long time for us, is not for God.
...
We either believe the Bible and the scriptures...

You cannot relativize clear warnings about timing and still say you believe the scriptures.

It makes no sense to tell to people "something will happen soon, prepare" and mean "soon not in your timing, but in some mysterious God's timing, you will be long gone, together with your children, grandchildren..."

You are adding to the text.

While everything you claim that must happen can be seen as spiritual or metaphorical, timing and warnings cannot. You read metaphors literally and spiritual things materialistically and on the other hand relativize what naturally cannot be a metaphor. Totally opposite to what should be done with any prophetical text.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi
Hi @SabbathBlessings, @Clare73 this considering the "rest" in Hebrews 4:10. This question is for you both. When someone "ceased from his/her work" is that mean temporarily or permanent rest? For instance, the creation account, God work 6 days then "rest" on the 7th day. So God rest (ceased from his work on 7th day) a temporary or permanent rest?

Hi!

It’s a patten that God established as an example for man. We are made in the image of God to follow Him, not to do something different. God worked six days Genesis 1 and sanctified the seventh day set apart to keep holy Genesis 2:1-3

God commanded us the same pattern as Himself…

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath is as a memorial to Creation to remember everything God made for us without us. It is the day to honor Him on His holy day Isaiah 58:13 thus saith the Lord

Hebrews 4:10 clearly shows two rests and we enter His rest when we cease our works as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 which is why Sabbath-keeping is so important and remains for God’s people. Hebrews 4:9-11 NIV God wants to bless us when we obey Him Isaiah 58:13-14 and warns us about being disobedient Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11

Making Jesus the Sabbath is a doctrine leading people away from the Sabbath commandment the way God commanded it which cannot be edited. Deut 4:2

 

[trophy33]

Hi!

It’s a patten that God established as an example for man. We are made in the image of God to follow Him, not to do something different. God worked six days Genesis 1 and sanctified the seventh day set apart to keep holy Genesis 2:1-3

God commanded us the same pattern as Himself…

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath is as a memorial to Creation to remember everything God made for us without us. It is the day to honor Him on His holy day Isaiah 58:13 thus saith the Lord

Hebrews 4:10 clearly shows two rests and we enter His rest when we cease our works as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 which is why Sabbath-keeping is so important and remains for God’s people. Hebrews 4:9-11 NIV God wants to bless us when we obey Him Isaiah 58:13-14 and warns us about being disobedient Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11

The question was clearly about if the Sabbath rest of God was temporary or permanent.

I.e. if God works 6 days, rests 1 day and then works 6 days again, rests 1 day - and so on.