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Why the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's Day, in the Bible

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Because disobedience (apeitheta) and unbelief (apeitheta) are the same thing, as in Heb 3:7-4:13, demonstrated in posts #91, #92, to which no Biblical demonstration has been made showing any error there relating to the passage.
True, belief and obedience are the same thing, likewise disobedience and unbelief are the same which is why Jesus said . . .

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven (believers), but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

God knows us through our obedience to Him....

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

in contrast to those who don't keep His commandments..

4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God and part of His eternal commandments personally written by God and the earthy temple where the Ten Commandments was stored was an exact replica of His heavenly Temple, so no editing of His commandments, which He tells us in clear words Deut 4:2

We are called to be doers of His Word and not just hearers James 1:22
 
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This is the post you said has not been addressed and I would be happy to readdress it and thanks for the invitation.
Biblical meaning of
Holy = set apart. . .from work and to rest in this case.
God actually explains the meaning of holy in reference to the Sabbath.....

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set the seventh day aside for holy use), because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

God again spoke of the seventh day in the Sabbath commandment using the same verbiage, the seventh day is set aside for holy use and God asked us to "remember" pointing us back to Creation as it is a weekly memorial on the Sabbath day for us to remember everything God made for us without us. Creation was His works and so are the Ten Commandments Exodus 32:16 We remember Him as our Creator on the Sabbath because He is the God of Creation and the same God of Judgement Revelation 14:7 and only He can sanctify us Ezekiel 20:12 and He does through the Truth of His Word. John 17:17 Too many people think they can sanctify themselves through their works or righteousness, but only God and His works are sanctifying and righteous and all of His commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 meaning the right way God wants His children to live because what He asks of us, is for our own good if we Trust and believe in Him.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

We rest from our works to keep the Sabbath day holy, and we enter His rest when we cease from our works as God did from His Hebrews 4:10 on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3,

Set apart by him for rest because it was a foretelling, pattern/type of his own full-time Sabbbath rest for us in Christ, from our own works to save and in Christ's completed work which saves.
No where does the scripture say Jesus is the Sabbath day commandment and this teaching is leading people to break His commandments and something Jesus warns us about. Matthew 5:19 You will never find one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath day, Jesus gives rest when we are obedient to Him, not through our disobedience as the plain scripture says. Hebrews 4:6
Feel free to Biblically specifically demonstrate in the following, not just assert, why any comment in black text (Scripture is blue text) is in error.

Heb 3:12:
12) See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
The scripture is not in error, your commentary about it is the error.
This passage is actually the second of five warnings in the letter:
1) 2:1-4 - do not fail to hear the NT gospel,
There is only one gospel, not two and it is an everlasting gospel Revelation 14:6
Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only one Gospel
Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to Abraham"
Heb 4:2 "The Gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also"
2) 3:7-4:13 - do not fail to believe this word of God, a living power that judges with an all-seeing eye,
3) 5:11-6:12 - do not fall away (apostasy),
4) 10:19-39 - do not lapse back,
5) 12:14-29 - do not refuse God.]
Agreed
Heb 3:15-19:
15) As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice
(in the NT gospel), do not harden your hearts (in unbelief of the gospel) as you did in the rebellion." (and refuse to enter into Christ's NT salvation by returning to Judaism)
No, your commentary does not match these scriptures.

This scripture is saying "Today" if you hear His voice (just what it means, do not wait another day- TODAY) We need to seek God while He can be found Isaiah 55:6 the devil wants us to delay in our obedience to God, 'I will obey tomorrow' but that's a dangerous belief because the more the devil controls our minds the less likley we will not soften our hearts to the Holy Spirit calling us back to His Truth John 14:15-18 Psalms 119:151

Do not harden your hearts in rebellion which is unbelief and disobedience nothing in this scripture about "Christ's NT salvation by returning to Judaism'

16) Who were they who heard and rebelled? (refusing to enter Canaan)
Were they not all that Moses led out of Egypt? (Nu 14)
The Israelites
17) And with whom was he angry for 40 years? Was it not with those who sinned (rebelled), whose bodies fell in the desert?
Agreed
19) So we see that they were not able to enter (the promised Canaan rest, Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 12:8-10) because of their unbelief. (as you will not enter his NT salvation rest because of your unbelief of the gospel and return to Judaism)
Again your commentary is not matching the scripture. Let's instead use scripture to show why the Isralites were consumed and did not enter their rest and what they disobeyed...

Hebrews 3:16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief (disobedience).

Psalms 95: Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,


Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

The Israelites failing to enter into the rest of the Promise Land was due to their disobedience. Hebrews 3:18, Hebrews 4:6

What did they disobey…..? According to scripture...

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

The whole point of Hebrews 3-4 is to give warning that we do not follow the same path of disobedience as the Israelites who disobeyed the Sabbath according to the scripture and the topic of Hebrews 4.

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Which is why the Sabbath-rest (keeping the Sabbath) remains for the people of God
Hebrews 4:9 NIV

a Sabbath rest
σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

We can not improve on what God personally wrote and God personally spoke, but God's adversary wants us to believe this lie that His eternal law can be altered. Revelation 12:17 and is behind the ones who changed His Sabbath which the majority of people followed but God warns His people Dan 7:25.

God blesses us through our obedience to Him including the Sabbath commandment that is part of His eternal law that cannot be changed.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Jesus is not saying He is the Sabbath, He wants us to honor Him on His holy seventh day Sabbath by doing His ways- resting in His Word, His creation, His Spirit for a full 24 hours every Sabbath day. The only one who thinks keeping the Sabbath is bondage or changed is God's adversary who wants nothing more than us to defile the Sabbath just like the Israelites, who did not enter into their promise land and God's rest and wants to stop us from entering into our promise land and His rest.
 
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This is the post you said has not been addressed and I would be happy to readdress it and thanks for the invitation.
Remember to do it in context. . .
God actually explains the meaning of holy in reference to the Sabbath.....
The definition of holy explains its meaning; i.e., "set apart."
No, your commentary does not match thes e scriptures.
You are not consistent with the context which gives its meaning and which you are ignoring.
Address the context of the "rebellion" and why it is used there, in context and consistent with the whole passage Heb 3:7-4:13.
This scripture is saying "Today" if you hear His voice (just what it means, do not wait another day- TODAY) We need to seek God while He can be found
Ignoring the context again. . .
No, the Israelites didn't refuse to go into Canaan to their promise land, God refused them due to their disobedience Hebrews 4:6
Again your commentary is not matching the scripture.
Ignores the context; i.e., the account in Nu 14.

This response does not address my post, it ignores the context, which gives the meaning of any text.
 
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Remember to do it in context. . .

The definition of holy explains its meaning; i.e., "set apart."

You are not consistent with the context which gives its meaning and which you are ignoring.
Address the context of the "rebellion" and why it is used there, in context and consistent with the whole passage Heb 3:7-4:13.

Ignoring the context again. . .

Ignores the context; i.e., the account in Nu 14.

This response does not address my post, it ignores the context, which gives the meaning of any text.
I guess we will have to await for Jesus and His righteous Judgement....

Take care.
 
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I guess we will have to await for Jesus and His righteous Judgement....

Take care.
That's all you have for ignoring context?

And that saw cuts both ways. . .

I'm thinking it's not belief of God's word in Heb 3:7-4:13 that would come under judgment.
 
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That's all you have for ignoring context?

And that saw cuts both ways. . .
Oh absolutely it does, we all will be judged the same way and Jesus is the arbitrator of His Truth. I stand my post, nothing ignored on my end and sorry you think that, but we will just have to agree to disagree. I wish you well in seeking the Truth to His Word.
 
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Oh absolutely it does, we all will be judged the same way and Jesus is the arbitrator of His Truth. I stand my post, nothing ignored on my end
Nothing other than context anyway. . .which is everything.
and sorry you think that, but we will just have to agree to disagree. I wish you well in seeking the Truth to His Word.
Agree that it's not belief of God's word in Heb 3:7-4:13 that would come under judgment.
 
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God actually explains the meaning of holy in reference to the Sabbath.....

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set the seventh day aside for holy use), because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Amen - he set it apart for holy use "Sanctified it" -- "made it holy"
God again spoke of the seventh day in the Sabbath commandment using the same verbiage, the seventh day is set aside for holy use
Exactly - the Ex 20:11 statement in the Sabbath commandment points to Gen 2:1-3 above - as the start , the origin "THE God blessed" -- "THEN God Sanctified"
and God asked us to "remember" pointing us back to Creation as it is a weekly memorial on the Sabbath day for us to remember everything God made for us without us.
amen
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

We rest from our works to keep the Sabbath day holy
And that commandment links the 7 day week at Sinai - with its seventh day -- the blessed, holy, sanctified seventh day in Gen 2.

Jesus is not saying He is the Sabbath, He wants us to honor Him on His holy seventh day Sabbath
Amen - He MADE the Sabbath instead of HE IS the Sabbath a we see in Mark 2:27


The definition of holy explains its meaning; i.e., "set apart."

EX 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

IT is the same word in Ex 20:11 "Hallowed it" and in Gen 2:3 "sanctified it"

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set the seventh day aside for holy use), because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No one argues that the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20 did not mean to define a weekly day of rest and worship. We all know that "Blessed and hallowed" is making it binding on mankind in Ex 20 just as in Gen 2:3. What God sets apart humanity is called upon to respect. The fact that God did this for our own good is at lot like the other commandments which are also for our own good.
 
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Clare73 said:
The definition of holy explains its meaning; i.e., "set apart."
EX 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
IT is the same word in Ex 20:11 "Hallowed it" and in Gen 2:3 "sanctified it"
Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set the seventh day aside for holy use), because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
No one argues that the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20 did not mean to define a weekly day of rest and worship. We all know that "Blessed and hallowed" is making it binding on mankind in Ex 20 just as in Gen 2:3. What God sets apart humanity is called upon to respect.
The fact that God did this for our own good is at lot like the other commandments which are also for our own good.
You make God too small here.

The "good" it typified was the gospel full-time salvation rest in Jesus Christ, from our own works to save and in his completed work which saves.
 
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You make God too small here.

Actually it’s the opposite- going by what Jesus said in His own words the Sabbath was made for man- Mark 2:27….the Sabbath being made for man makes Jesus the Creator Gen 1:26 Gen 2:1-3 and Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28

Your version makes Jesus a created-being a day and a commandment, which there is no scripture for or scripture stating one of the Ten Commandments was edited. Deut 4:2

I will agree with you through in regards to Numbers 14 after reading it again that the Israelites refused to go into Canaan and was part of their disobedience in the wilderness along with defiling the Sabbath and why the were consumed Num 14:35, Ezekiel 20:13, Ezekiel 20:21 instead of entering into the promise land. We should always obey God the way He ask and no one can or should try to improve on what God personally wrote or spoke and is in the Most Holy of His Temple. God said the Sabbath is the seventh day in His own Words spoken and written, Exodus 20:10 not the Sabbath is Jesus. The Sabbath it is a commandment of God meaning it is a commandment for us to do Exodus 20:8-11 not Jesus commanding something for Himself to do. We should not harden our hearts and follow the same path of disbelief and disobedience by not obeying God the way He asks.
 
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there is no scripture for or scripture stating one of the Ten Commandments was edited.
It was not edited, it was set aside as a part of the Old Covenant.

The new, spiritual covenant does not require physical observances:
"One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."
R 14:5
 
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It was not edited, it was set aside as a part of the Old Covenant.

The new, spiritual covenant does not require physical observances:
"One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."
R 14:5
Is heaven the Old Covenant? No, it’s our goal! The earthy temple was an exact replica of God’s heavenly Temple, Hebrews 8:5 where the Ten Commandments are in the Most Holy of His Temple, just the way God wrote them. Revelation 11:19 Deut 4:2

No scripture in all of God’s Word saying that we can break God’s holy commandments. One of the last scriptures in the Bible…

Blessed are those who do His commandments Revelation 22:14 because ‘but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.’ Exodus 20:6
 
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EX 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

IT is the same word in Ex 20:11 "Hallowed it" and in Gen 2:3 "sanctified it"

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it (set the seventh day aside for holy use), because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No one argues that the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20 did not mean to define a weekly day of rest and worship. We all know that "Blessed and hallowed" is making it binding on mankind in Ex 20 just as in Gen 2:3. What God sets apart humanity is called upon to respect. The fact that God did this for our own good is at lot like the other commandments which are also for our own good.

You make God too small here.
I did not author the texts -- God did.
The "good" it typified was the gospel full-time salvation rest in Jesus Christ
the good it specified for Adam and Eve had nothing at all to do with rescuing them from their sinful fallen condition as if that is how God created them.

In John 15 the vine is a type of Christ - but that does not mean that the vines in Eden predicted the fall of man and God's mission to rescue them. No such context existed for that in Eden.

"you are the salt of the Earth" - we still use real salt
"I am the bread of life" John 6 -- we still use real bread.

The book of revelation seas are a type of many-nations tribes tongues and people. But that is not what seas mean in Gen 1
 
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I'm a 7th Day Sabbath keeper, so I'm not arguing that Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is the true Sabbath and is still a law to be kept forever, but the phrase 'The Lord's Day' is in reference to Revelation 1:10, correct? I thought this was the same as The Day of the Lord as in end of the age, the day when the Lord begins intervening etc.

Sorry if I have annoyingly interrupted your thread. I just keep seeing 'Lord's Day' and keeping thinking it's being used incorrectly.
The Bible says our Lord does indeed have a day...it tells us plainly which day He claims as His day...which day He says belongs to Him...and it ain't Sunday, friends.

"If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY..." Isaiah 58:13 KJV
 
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The Bible says our Lord does indeed have a day...it tells us plainly which day He claims as His day...which day He says belongs to Him...and it ain't Sunday, friends.

"If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY..." Isaiah 58:13 KJV
It really is as clear as day, just the way God wrote and God spoke.
 
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BobRyan and SabbathBlessings:

What is Paul saying in these words?:

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [h]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Specifically, why should we interpret the concept of being released from the Law in any sense that obligates us to keep following it?

Second, Paul is telling us to we no longer serve "in the oldness of the letter" (the "letter", of course, being a reference to the Law of Moses). Please explain how it makes sense to no longer serve the oldness of the letter while still, strangely, doing what seems to the exact opposite of "not serving" - continuing to structure our lives and operate in the world following the very "letter" we are being told we no longer "serve"?

I will be fascinated to read the answers to this question. And, you can be sure, I will be sure to hold you to actually engaging this text. Sure, you can talk about all the other texts and concepts you wish, but unless you actually an account that makes sense out of Romans 7:6, you are evading and might as well shout from the mountaintops "I have no answer".
 
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Is heaven the Old Covenant? No, it’s our goal! The earthy temple was an exact replica of God’s heavenly Temple, Hebrews 8:5 where the Ten Commandments are in the Most Holy of His Temple, just the way God wrote them. Revelation 11:19 Deut 4:2

No scripture in all of God’s Word saying that we can break God’s holy commandments. One of the last scriptures in the Bible…

Blessed are those who do His commandments Revelation 22:14 because ‘but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.’ Exodus 20:6
Heaven is heaven, Old Covenant is Old Covenant.

Revelation is a book of metaphors, not a book of doctrines. The source of doctrines are the letters of apostles and christian creeds/confessions.
 
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Heaven is heaven, Old Covenant is Old Covenant.

Revelation is a book of metaphors, not a book of doctrines. The source of doctrines are the letters of apostles and christian creeds/confessions.
I believe the scripture…

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. ...
 
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Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near. ...
Notice "must shortly take place" and "the time is near".

It happened in the first century. What is there to argue about, today?
 
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