Minnesota Dems strike language excluding pedophilia as protected category under discrimination laws

[Oompa Loompa]

Minnesota Dems strike language excluding pedophilia as protected category under discrimination laws

Minnesota Dems seek to eliminate exclusion of pedophilia as a protected category under anti-gay discrimination laws, say it perpetuates stigma.

wlos.com

St. PAUL, Minn. (TND) — A new bill in the Minnesota Legislature strikes language from the state’s definition of “sexual orientation,” for the purposes of discrimination and other state laws, that excluded sexual attraction to a child as a protected category.

So it appears that some democrats are trying to make pedophiles a protected class. Why else would they strike the language if not to normalize pedophilia? Further down the slippery slope they go.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why else would they strike the language if not to normalize pedophilia?

The article you linked cites the reason. Did you read it?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The article you linked cites the reason. Did you read it?

"Of course pedophilia is not a sexual orientation - which is why the language never should have been included in the statutory definition in the first place."

Of course marriage is between one man and one woman. Of course we know what a woman is. Of course children cannot consent to gender reassignment procedures. And of course, pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, which is why we should remove the verbiage that will protect children from them.

They claim it was removed because, "Oh come on. We all know pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation." The question remains, why not?

 

[rambot]

Interesting cultural situation here.

In Ancient Greece and Rome (probably other cultures), pedophilia WOULD be considered a sexual orientation.

Of course, since then, society has become more enlightenned. We recognize and value that the development of children precludes them from being willing and consenting partners. And we believe adults should recognize that above anything else when it comes to sexual relationships.

So I guess, it's a matter of whether you want to think in terms of a 2000 year old culture, or our current one.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

We recognize and value that the development of children precludes them from being willing and consenting partners. And we believe adults should recognize that above anything else when it comes to sexual relationships.

I then assume you reject the notion that children can consent to gender reassignment procedures?

 

[rambot]

I then assume you reject the notion that children can consent to gender reassignment rocedures?

Well that's different isn't it. Because you should have MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS making the decision.
Someone who WANTS gender reassignment surgery wouldn't need to consent...they WANT it but there's would not be the decision I (personally) would be most interested in.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I then assume you reject the notion that children can consent to gender reassignment rocedures?

Children can't typically consent to any medical procedure on their own.

 

[Aldebaran]

Children can't typically consent to any medical procedure on their own.

Right, now they need the consent and provision of the parents who fear being called transphobes if they don't take their child to a doctor for a sex change if the 10 year old child believes he/she knows better for him/herself than sane adults do.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Right, now they need the consent and provision of the parents who fear being called transphobes if they don't take their child to a doctor for a sex change if the 10 year old child believes he/she knows better for him/herself than sane adults do.

Of the adjectives I'd use to describe the folks most vocally opposed to and fearful of the trans movement, "sane" wouldn't make the shortlist.

 

[rambot]

Right, now they need the consent and provision of the parents who fear being called transphobes if they don't take their child to a doctor for a sex change if the 10 year old child believes he/she knows better for him/herself than sane adults do.

Or the provision of parents who want their child to feel some sense of stability for their mental health and believe that operation will help them (the "regret" numbers of transitioned people lean HEAVILY to no regrets).

 

[Aldebaran]

Of the adjectives I'd use to describe the folks most vocally opposed to and fearful of the trans movement, "sane" wouldn't make the shortlist.

Those who are stable in their acceptance of their body are sane. Those who deny their own sex, not so much.

 

[Aldebaran]

Or the provision of parents who want their child to feel some sense of stability for their mental health and believe that operation will help them (the "regret" numbers of transitioned people lean HEAVILY to no regrets).

If that's the way mental health should be stabilized, then mental health institutions should all be emptied out, with all the patients being told, "Oops, sorry! You were right all along!"

 

[rambot]

If that's the way mental health should be stabilized, then mental health institutions should all be emptied out, with all the patients being told, "Oops, sorry! You were right all along!"

I'm not saying it should happen that way. What I'm saying is that medical professionals indicate that, statistically, has shown the most favourable results for the greatest number of patients.

So how is that problematic?

You think the American Association of Pediatrics are all a bunch of fools? Or just that they're "bought and paid for by Big Trans"?

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm not saying it should happen that way. What I'm saying is that medical professionals indicate that, statistically, has shown the most favourable results for the greatest number of patients.

So how is that problematic?

You think the American Association of Pediatrics are all a bunch of fools? Or just that they're "bought and paid for by Big Trans"?

Well.....

Opinion | The American Academy of Pediatrics’ Dubious Transgender Science

As other countries turn away from hormones and surgery, the AAP won’t even allow a debate.

www.wsj.com

A Victory for Child Welfare?

In response to a Wall Street Journal op-ed that I co-authored criticizing the American Academy of Pediatrics’ approach to pediatric gender medicine,

www.city-journal.org

So I'll let you decide for yourself.

 

[rambot]

Well.....

Opinion | The American Academy of Pediatrics’ Dubious Transgender Science

As other countries turn away from hormones and surgery, the AAP won’t even allow a debate.

www.wsj.com

A Victory for Child Welfare?

In response to a Wall Street Journal op-ed that I co-authored criticizing the American Academy of Pediatrics’ approach to pediatric gender medicine,

www.city-journal.org

So I'll let you decide for yourself.

I'd love to read the first one but it's blocked.

 

[Aldebaran]

I'd love to read the first one but it's blocked.

Here's the first 3 paragraphs. The 4th one I'm posting is the conclusion.

A spate of headlines this month declared that America’s surge in transgender identification wasn’t being caused by a social contagion. These articles were prompted by a new study by Jack Turban and colleagues in Pediatrics, flagship journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics. The study claimed that social influence isn’t the reason that as many as 9% of America’s youth now call themselves transgender. Thus, Dr. Turban argues, efforts in conservative states to regulate on-demand puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery must be resisted.

Yet Dr. Turban’s study is deeply flawed and likely couldn’t have survived a reasonable peer-review process. The swift response from the scientific community made both points clear—with even those who support hormones and surgery for gender-dysphoric youth noting that Dr. Turban’s shoddy science undermined their cause.


Nevertheless, the media have promoted his work as a refutation of the claim that the wildfire spread of transgender identity is an example of social contagion—a phenomenon in which members of a group (mostly young and female) mutually influence one another’s emotions and behavior.

The AAP has stifled debate on how best to treat youth in distress over their bodies, shut down efforts by critics to present better scientific approaches at conferences, used technicalities to suppress resolutions to bring it into line with better-informed European countries, and put its thumb on the scale at Pediatrics in favor of a shoddy but politically correct research agenda. Its preference for fashionable political positions over evidence-based medicine is a disservice to member physicians, parents and children.

Dr. Mason is a pediatrician. Mr. Sapir is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

 

[MehGuy]

I haven't read the link. Keep that in mind.

I believe some people are probably born that way, it doesn't make it right but if they don't actually harm any children, I don't see the problem with having them in a legally protected class.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to barring them from working with children.. but if they've never committed a sexual crime against a minor.. as a society I think we kind of just have to take the risk. I don't like the idea of punishing people for who they are ( if they've never acted on it).. even if some aspects of who they are is reprehensible.

I can understand someone who feels differently though.

 

[rambot]

You second article. Here's a quote:

In response to a Wall Street Journal op-ed that I co-authored criticizing the American Academy of Pediatrics’ approach to pediatric gender medicine, Moira Szilagyi, president of the AAP, has written that “gender-affirming care . . . doesn’t push medical treatments or surgery; for the vast majority of children, it recommends the opposite.”

This is a welcome development, and marks a reversal of the AAP’s previous policy.

It's NOT a development. It is STANDARD treatment.

This is akin to one of those "when did you stop beating your wife?" type of situations. Insinuate de facto treatment is medical treatment and surgery. When it is pointed out that is NOT standard treatment, they claim "Well it's great that we have this change". That was ALWAYS the standard. Other quotes from bit players were misrepresented and taken to be recommended treatments.

If you read the paper cited in your second article, you'd see that what that person is saying is that treatment that basically says "you shouldn't be trans" is bad and not repairative or helpful. He gives a list of guidelines and its not surprising the article chooses one out of about 4 treatment strategies. This journalist is SEVERELY misrepresenting the science and the professionals who practice it.

Honestly, journalism may be the biggest bastion of Dunning Kruger that exists on the planet.

Keeping in mind, the professionals that use these strategies are the ones that LEAD TO the quote given ABOVE ("for the vast majority of children, it recommends the opposite").

This was not my clearest writing so I apologize if it's not making sense. I'd be happy to clarify.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Well that's different isn't it. Because you should have MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS making the decision.
Someone who WANTS gender reassignment surgery wouldn't need to consent...they WANT it but there's would not be the decision I (personally) would be most interested in.

Just so I understand your position properly. You are saying that because children are not medical professionals, they should not make decisions about gender reassignment procedures.

 

[MehGuy]

Does every thread have to turn into a trans fight these days? Lol.