The Truth Behind Hunter's Laptop

[Pommer]

It might be productive to put Hunter on the hot seat to answer a few questions; but maybe Joe's FBI is still conducting a full investigation.

Perhaps the Gentleman from the great State of Ohio will subpoena RHB?
THAT’LL be a fun day on C-SPAN!

 

[Pommer]

If there is nothing to be concerned about; why did Joe lie about it?

“Joe Biden said he ‘never spoke’ with Hunter about his business dealings. That is simply not true. We need to know what Joe Biden knew and when he knew it,” Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), the No. 3 Republican in the House of Representatives, told The Post Monday.

Voicemail indicates Joe Biden knew of Hunter deals with ‘spy chief of China’

Joe Biden called his son Hunter in late 2018 to discuss a New York Times article detailing the younger Biden’s dealings with a Chinese oil tycoon accused of economic crimes – telling him “I think you’re clear,” according to a report Monday.

nypost.com

They discussed the article from the New York Times?
The cads!

 

[USincognito]

The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administration officials told Fox News Tuesday.

Further, Fox News has learned that the FBI and Justice Department officials concur with an assessment from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign targeting Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

FBI in possession of Hunter Biden's purported laptop, sources say

The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including with contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administraiton officials told Fox News Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

Published October 20, 2020

So, two Donald administration officials told that to Fox News and Donald's politicized DNI said it wasn't Russian disinformation?

O.k...

 

[HARK!]

Perhaps the Gentleman from the great State of Ohio will subpoena RHB?
THAT’LL be a fun day on C-SPAN!

I'd like to see Hunter before a grand jury; so that they can ask him anything that they wish, and subpoena anyone they wish.

Would they be allowed to subpoena Joe; or would he need to be impeached first?

 

[USincognito]

I'd like to see Hunter before a grand jury; so that they can ask him anything that they wish, and subpoena anyone they wish.

All you need to do is produce evidence of a crime and that can happen.

Would they be allowed to subpoena Joe; or would they have to impeach him first?

According to Jim Jordan subpoenas are optional, but a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime per the Barr doctrine.
Also, grand juries don't impeach the President.

 

[HARK!]

All you need to do is produce evidence of a crime and that can happen.

A grand jury is a legal body comprised of laypeople that determines whether there is enough evidence to bring criminal charges to trial.

What Is a Grand Jury and How Does It Work?

A grand jury is a panel of randomly-selected laypeople that determines whether there is enough evidence in a case to charge someone with a crime.

www.thoughtco.com

a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime per the Barr doctrine.

Article II, Section 4:


The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Did I mention impeachment?

Do you know the difference between a subpoena, and being charged with a crime?

Also, grand juries don't impeach the President.

I'm well aware of this. I added clarity to my post.

 

[SimplyMe]

I'd like to see Hunter before a grand jury; so that they can ask him anything that they wish, and subpoena anyone they wish.

Would they be allowed to subpoena Joe; or would he need to be impeached first?

It was a Grand Jury that originally subpoenaed Hunter's laptop, that is how the FBI took possession of it. It would make sense that Hunter already testified before the Grand Jury, since they requested his laptop -- and Joe wasn't President then, so he could have also testified.

Of course, we don't know if that happened because what happens in a Grand Jury is secret, with rules preventing the jurors (at least with Federal Grand juries) from disclosing what was presented to them.

If there was wrongdoing on the part of Hunter, though, you'd expect the Grand Jury to have indicted him (since they had the laptop).

 

[Hans Blaster]

Again you a free to hold that opinion; but the topic of this thread concerns Hunter's laptop, and Democrats who introduced Russian disinformation, from a Russian agent, into the investigative record.

Is that illegal?

And yet, the entirety of your OP was to post a video and to type-out line about Russia from Grassley. Unless I completely misunderstand the nature of "the laptop", it has nothing to do with Russia, so the Grassley quote would seem to be completely off-topic.

As it stands, the rest of your OP (the video) started with Grassley making statements contrary to the established facts about the origins of the "Crossfire Hurricane" investigations (that it was dependant on the "Steele Dossier", when it was not). At that point, the notion that the video might contain truthful presentations was well and truly destroyed. (Plus what does Chuck Grassley have to do with "the laptop"? Did he find it? Create it? I don't remember hearing about him in that sordid saga.)

 

[USincognito]

A grand jury is a legal body comprised of laypeople that determines whether there is enough evidence to bring criminal charges to trial.

Yeah, this isn't anything I didn't already know. My point, since I guess it was too subtle, is you cannot empanel a grand jury because you don't like somebody or that you want to root around and see if there's something there. The DA or the US Attorney must have something of substance to warrant empaneling a grand jury or presenting someone to them.

Did I mention impeachment?

Yes you did, but as I noted, we're talking about a grand jury so I don't know why it's relevant.

Do you know the difference between a subpoena, and being charged with a crime?

Again, perhaps I was being too subtle. I was suggesting that if a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime, I can't see them being forced to comply with a grand jury subpoena, though now that I think about it, President Clinton had to testify before a grand jury during the Ken Starr investigation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I'm noticing a theme among people when they're shown to be wrong, a very common quote i'm seeing on CF is "blatant lies" "they're lying" etc.

Grassley lied in the first minute or so of his "testimony". It's just that simple. He either knows what he said was false, or he is too senile to figure it out.

Which honestly makes sense, if you want to disprove someone just say they're lying, because when you try to refute it that just makes it look like you're defending a lie. Very good tactic but anyone who can see will see past that tactic.

I stopped watching when he started lying. Plus, what does Grassley have to do with "the laptop"?

 

[disciple Clint]

What laptop? Has anyone produced an actual photo of it yet, or is it just something the exists in the fevered imaginations of conservatives?

It exists on every news network, every news publication, in the records of the FBI who have it in their hands, have examined it and have determined that it exists and has accurate information on it, it exists as part of an ongoing FBI criminal investigation, it exists as part of a Congressional investigation, it exists for all informed people, so the denial of its existence is just a little unrealistic.

 

[NxNW]

The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administration officials told Fox News Tuesday.

Further, Fox News has learned that the FBI and Justice Department officials concur with an assessment from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign targeting Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

FBI in possession of Hunter Biden's purported laptop, sources say

The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including with contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administraiton officials told Fox News Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

If there is a laptop, you should be able to produce a photo of it, rather than propaganda from a discredited 'news' source.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Next time try to find a (shorter?) video that just has what you’d like to talk about.

I found the video quite short. Chuck got his lies in within 90 seconds.

 

[disciple Clint]

If there is a laptop, you should be able to produce a photo of it, rather than propaganda from a discredited 'news' source.

Now I admit that the FBI lacks a degree of credibility but they have never denied that they have had that laptop for several years they even provided a receipt for it to the repair man who turned it over to them

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a small clean up. Please stick to the topic that is in the OP. ​

 

[Say it aint so]

So the laptop, or the copy of copies of the laptop harddrive provided to GOP felons and some soon to be indicted contains emails of American private businessmen conducting business with people from foreign nations. That is truth about the laptop, so what's the hubbub?

 

[rambot]

It might be productive to put Hunter on the hot seat to answer a few questions; but maybe Joe's FBI is still conducting a full investigation.

Here's hoping it will be as robust and thorough as the one conducted on Brett Kavanaugh, eh?

 

[rambot]

If there is nothing to be concerned about; why did Joe lie about it?

“Joe Biden said he ‘never spoke’ with Hunter about his business dealings. That is simply not true. We need to know what Joe Biden knew and when he knew it,” Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), the No. 3 Republican in the House of Representatives, told The Post Monday.

Voicemail indicates Joe Biden knew of Hunter deals with ‘spy chief of China’

Joe Biden called his son Hunter in late 2018 to discuss a New York Times article detailing the younger Biden’s dealings with a Chinese oil tycoon accused of economic crimes – telling him “I think you’re clear,” according to a report Monday.

nypost.com

So you have taken a 4 word phrase with, no SOLID bearings, and molded into something that requires a criminal investigation? Sorry, I can't believe this is strong evidence of much.

 

[perplexed]

the FBI who have it in their hands, have examined it and have determined that it exists and has accurate information on it,

??? Why do keep saying this ???
I agree that
1) The FBI has a laptop.
2) The FBI has verified some emails that were claimed were to come from Hunter Biden did come from Hunter Biden.

However I don't see how you can read a news article that says a news organization has been provided a COPY of a hard drive and said it does not appear to be a fake hard drive and conclude that the FBI have verified the source of all the material.

 

[HARK!]

So you have taken a 4 word phrase with, no SOLID bearings, and molded into something that requires a criminal investigation? Sorry, I can't believe this is strong evidence of much.

Even one word can mean the difference of the truth, or a lie and a cover up.