Should all Christians support Uganda's newest anti LGBTQ+ legislation?

[Divide]

Did you get "recruited" to be straight? (Assuming you are, if not, pardon me.)

I am straight. Always have been. I had a gay guy touch me uninvited once. I punched him in the face and then he did'nt like me anymore so left me alone.

Ok so let me get this straight, that gay guy who touched me, was not trying to recruit me?!!! Bwahahahaha!! Good one!! You would have people to believe that Gays don't go out picking up partners for sex or relationships they way that hetero's do?

Can you name one gay bar where Straight people are not allowed? You guys are funny.

 

[Divide]

Me too. I am filthy rich. Shall we make the bet really large?

Why would I be willing to bet anything with a rich old gay guy from England? I aint in your club and you aint in mine. You have nothing with me so your bet remains unrecognized.

Lol!

 

[Divide]

Are you aware that your "side" has lost this PR battle?

I see it happening! Yeah and the Major Recruitment Program is the reason why. We wont be losing forever, just until after the great tribulation.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

I am straight. Always have been. I had a gay guy touch me uninvited once. I punched him in the face and then he did'nt like me anymore so left me alone.

Ok so let me get this straight, that gay guy who touched me, was not trying to recruit me?!!! Bwahahahaha!! Good one!! You would have people to believe that Gays don't go out picking up partners for sex or relationships they way that hetero's do?

Can you name one gay bar where Straight people are not allowed? You guys are funny.

Ah, so does that mean that a straight guy touching a woman is trying to "recruit" her to being heterosexual? My high school crush is a lesbian, wished I'd know that in HS as it would have saved me a lot of time.

I've been approached by gay men a handful of times over the years. Heck, one guy bought me beers during my bachelor party at a blues bar. I said thanks but I was getting married. I just let them know I'm straight, didn't need to punch anyone.

 

[Divide]

Ah, so does that mean that a straight guy touching a woman is trying to "recruit" her to being heterosexual?

Ok so we're on the same page then. That's it exactly. I remember my youthful promiscuous days and it was all about hey sweetheart, come be heterosexual with me! That's a strange way to say it, but the classic, pass with class is to put your hand on the girls shoulder to let ones intentions be known. It suggests an activity.

But not by toucking their leg very near their groin, who does that?!
Oh, that gay guy I punched.

 

[Whyayeman]

Why would I be willing to bet anything with a rich old gay guy from England? I aint in your club and you aint in mine. You have nothing with me so your bet remains unrecognized.

Lol!

Why do you think I am old? Why do you think I am gay?

Why do you believe me when I say I am rich? I am tired of your idiocies.

 

[Desk trauma]

So this is a scientific question then!

It’s a question of something no longer being surpassed, just as left handedness no longer is.

SO when a gay child is born, what is the genetic test that shows them that hey this is a boy or this is a girl? This is a test that we can do at home with our wives or partners. You simply lift the tail and look.

What?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am straight. Always have been.

See, no recruitment necessary. Works both ways.

I had a gay guy touch me uninvited once. I punched him in the face and then he did'nt like me anymore so left me alone.

Sorry you got sexually harassed. Straight guys do this to women all the time.

Ok so let me get this straight, that gay guy who touched me, was not trying to recruit me?

No. He probably thought your were gay and was propositioning you. (Just like like the straight creeps who do the same to women.)

!!! Bwahahahaha!! Good one!! You would have people to believe that Gays don't go out picking up partners for sex or relationships they way that hetero's do?

It's a crude proposition to sexual activity. Propositioning a potential partner (in what ever fashion) is not "recruiting" someone in to a particular sexual orientation (gay/straight/bi). (Do you think if some straight guy propositions a lesbian, he can "convert" her to be straight?) If you don't think any number of gay guys groping you could turn *you* gay, then you already know that you can't "recruit" someone into a sexual orientation.

Can you name one gay bar where Straight people are not allowed?

I don't know anything about gay bars, nor do I care. If you care you should do your own research.

You guys are funny.

You are not.

 

[Gene2memE]

Don't be obtuse. How else do you explain the increase in the gays numbers?

They haven't increased. The proportion of people with same sex attractions is likely static (or near static) over time.

What has happened is that US (and broader Western) cultural norms, which previously suppressed anything other than heterosexual relationships, have become less prohibitive over the past 60 or so years. So, the proportion of people who are willing to act on same-sex attraction and be publicly identified as out has increased and thus the "increase in the gays (sic) numbers"

I'd argue that this is largely because the cost of doing so - in social, cultural, legal and even financial terms - has been substantially lessened. While there are still situations (and indeed, entire sub-cultures) where people feel the need to hide their sexual preference, these are thankfully becoming fewer.

For instance, I had two 'aunties' (actually just family friends) who passed on a few years ago. Both were in their 90s. They met in school and had been in a same-sex relationship since their mid 20s. Yet, it wasn't until 2014, and a major health scare, that they let knowledge of their relationship became public.

If they'd been born in the 2000s, instead of the 1930s, that situation would have likely been very different. They likely wouldn't have felt the need to hide what they were doing for about 70 years.

 

[mindlight]

They haven't increased. The proportion of people with same sex attractions is likely static (or near static) over time.

What has happened is that US (and broader Western) cultural norms, which previously suppressed anything other than heterosexual relationships, have become less prohibitive over the past 60 or so years. So, the proportion of people who are willing to act on same-sex attraction and be publicly identified as out has increased and thus the "increase in the gays (sic) numbers"

I'd argue that this is largely because the cost of doing so - in social, cultural, legal and even financial terms - has been substantially lessened. While there are still situations (and indeed, entire sub-cultures) where people feel the need to hide their sexual preference, these are thankfully becoming fewer.

For instance, I had two 'aunties' (actually just family friends) who passed on a few years ago. Both were in their 90s. They met in school and had been in a same-sex relationship since their mid 20s. Yet, it wasn't until 2014, and a major health scare, that they let knowledge of their relationship became public.

If they'd been born in the 2000s, instead of the 1930s, that situation would have likely been very different. They likely wouldn't have felt the need to hide what they were doing for about 70 years.

This is not accurate because it is not just about numbers but rather about the impact of affirmation on society as a whole. There is more transparency and freedom now. So also, there has been an obsessive level of talk about sex, sexual identity et al since the sixties. Some of this has been evangelistic and is reflected in higher divorce rates, the levels of abortion, the rise in the number of cases of mental illness and people struggling with questions of sexual identity in a confused culture.

The conversation has, to a considerable extent, become toxic and slightly crazy with parents being bullied for not allowing their son to surgically become a girl, biological men sweeping the board in women's sports and gay people parading the sins of lust and pride in the street as if these were something to affirm. These are new things and unthinkable in vast areas of the world and from a global historical perspective also.

The triumph of a gay elite and the extent of their influence has sterilized society in Europe as babies are murdered, sacrificed on the altar of convenience, perversions are paraded as virtues and families have been undermined with a corresponding implication for mental health and societal brokenness.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

This is not accurate because it is not just about numbers but rather about the impact of affirmation on society as a whole. There is more transparency and freedom now. So also, there has been an obsessive level of talk about sex, sexual identity et al since the sixties. Some of this has been evangelistic and is reflected in higher divorce rates,

The rate of divorce (# of divorces per 1000 population) peaked at ~23 per 1000 married women in the 1980s - it's still higher now (~20 per 1000 married women) than it was in the 1950s, but it has improved. (Source)

The increase in divorce can be generally attributed to a couple factors, mainly centered around the empowerment of women. First, the widespread institution of no-fault divorce laws in the 1960s and 1970s. Second, a major push towards societal equality. With women receiving legal protections in the workplace and the right to open their own bank accounts (seriously, banks could refuse to allow a woman to open her own account until 1974!), they generally felt much more secure in their ability to support themselves.

the levels of abortion,

The abortion rate has fallen significantly and steadily since 1980. There have been a couple of upward ticks (most notably around 2008 and currently), but those are most likely related to economic uncertainty (Source).

the rise in the number of cases of mental illness and people struggling with questions of sexual identity in a confused culture.

Has there actually been an increase in the number of mentally ill people, or have we just gotten better at identifying and diagnosing mental illness? Similarly, are there actually more people struggling with their sexual identity, or are they just more willing to be open about their struggles as the social stigmas have been eroded?

 

[Divide]

They haven't increased.

But they have increased. The earth population has increased and if even if there is a mostly static percentage of gays then it would undoubtably increase in numbers proportional to the increase of the population. Plus to top it all off now, they came out of the closet for no good reason at all.

Now they are banding together and making a voice for themselves. Calling themselves Gay christians. We are a Gay mens choir? Who the heck cares? Why do gays start thinking that they need to wear their sexuality on their shirt sleeve? Ask me about my sexuality and I will tell you I am straight now, MYOB.

Is it not a good thing for Gays to try to have a little class about themselves like the entire secular world also encourages people to do? (though less lately, lol). Or is having some class something that gays can not do?

Gays need us Christians at this stage of the game. To gain acceptance by the Christians (We Love God Too!) It's a dangerous thing for Christians to accept gay christians as normalized because we know human nature and everything is addicting. You do it once then it's even easier the next time and one falls deeper into sin?

What sin you say? How about, Be fruitful and multiply? I think that if gays want to be out of the closet then they should give them their own city to live in. Or maybe their own State! Then we will see if they can be fruitful or not!

"What a Wonderful world it is that has Girls in it>"
Robert Heinlein.

 

[Hans Blaster]

But they have increased. The earth population has increased and if even if there is a mostly static percentage of gays then it would undoubtably increase in numbers proportional to the increase of the population.

The static percentage not increasing is exactly what Gene and others have been saying. The overall increase in population is not relevant.

Plus to top it all off now, they came out of the closet for no good reason at all.

Really? No reason? You don't think that gay people wanted to enter into non-secret relationships? You can't be that obtuse.

Now they are banding together and making a voice for themselves.

As all groups of people do. Gay people aren't any different.

Calling themselves Gay christians.

Only the ones that think Jesus is God and their Savior.

We are a Gay mens choir? Who the heck cares?

You seem to care at least a little or you wouldn't ask. Were there men's choirs that realized most members were gay. Was it started at the gay men's center among those who like to sing in groups. I don't know, but if I had to guess it probably has something to do with the AIDS crisis.

Why do gays start thinking that they need to wear their sexuality on their shirt sleeve? Ask me about my sexuality and I will tell you I am straight now, MYOB.

Most gay people wear their sexuality on their sleeves the same way non-gay people do -- being seen in public and recognized by others with a romantic partner whether on a first date or with their grandchildren. It's the same way people assume you're probably not gay. (As you acknowledged above, some are in the closet.)

Is it not a good thing for Gays to try to have a little class about themselves like the entire secular world also encourages people to do? (though less lately, lol). Or is having some class something that gays can not do?

What "class" do you speak of?

Gays need us Christians at this stage of the game.

Some are Christians, some are not. The non-Christian ones probably don't need you to do anything but leave the alone. It's the same for us non-gay, non-Christians.

To gain acceptance by the Christians (We Love God Too!) It's a dangerous thing for Christians to accept gay christians as normalized because we know human nature and everything is addicting. You do it once then it's even easier the next time and one falls deeper into sin?

This seems like a *you* problem, not a *them* problem.

What sin you say? How about, Be fruitful and multiply?

Lot's of gay people have children.

I think that if gays want to be out of the closet then they should give them their own city to live in. Or maybe their own State! Then we will see if they can be fruitful or not!

Didn't you guys already try this? Pushing them all out of your cities to a few "sanctuary cities"? How'd that work out for you?

"What a Wonderful world it is that has Girls in it>"
Robert Heinlein.

The lesbians and I would agree with Mr. Heinlein. You on the other hand we could do without.

 

[Divide]

What "class" do you speak of?

Thank you for making my point!

This seems like a *you* problem, not a *them* problem.

No, stop trying to normalize deviant behavior. The propagation of the species is dependant on heterosexul coupling of human beings. In case anyone hasnt lifted the tail to find out is it a boy or a girl, that is what one does and how they are recognized as one gender or the other. Go ask your doctor, go ask your scientist buddy! The two genders form a complete unit. Wherein they are blessed by Creator God and they bear fruit. The fruit of new life. Be fruitful and multiply, that was not a suggestion. That was a command.
To go against that commandment from God is to be God's enemy. It is slapping Him in the face when He asked you if you like the wife He made for you? Not good enough, Jesus? Is that what they'll say?

So it isn't my problem. I have no confusion that little girls were made for little boys. The people have deceived themselves into thinking and wishing that sexual deviant behavior is somehow normal. It is an abomination to God. Don't worry about me, I'm just one voice speaking in the wilderness. We all will stand before God one day and He said, homosexual behavior and sexual deviant behavior is punishable. So good luck with that.

So when gays come to the christian forum and start preaching gay is good, you act like you don't want me to respond? I'm only one voice. But how could I be accepting of gays when...I know better! I know it is not the gay peoples fault. It is because greater than 80% of everything they've ever been taught were lies. The demonic oppression that comes from participating in deviant activities opens the door for demon possession. Then it becomes addicting like everything else. I think when all is said and done on this earth that we all (humans) will be astounded at the amount of demonic oppression that everyone was under while here on earth.

They can't call themselves gay christians because that is a paradox according to God's word. The evil spirits and demons put thoughts into peoples heads. Go ahead and do it, nobody will know...
You wont deny that happens, will you? Everybody knows there is like a good angel on one shoulder and a bad one on the other. Your conscience is probably the good angel and the enemy very much can speak thoughts into your head. You don't have to obey every thought.

It's been preached that when God destroyed Sodom & Gommorah it was only that most of the population were gay and there were quite a few which were not gay but they accepted them as normal people and God said show me 5 people who are really righteous and do not accept them, 5 people and I will spare the place....
Well it couldn't be saved because not even 5 people did not accept them. How many pf them thought they were godly people?

We can't take a chance on something that big. It's a spiritual war and not the people themselves anything but vonfused and lost. If we get up off of our Blessed Ass urances and wage the spiritual war.

But you guys don't want to talk about God or spiritual issues. I wonder why?

 

[Whyayeman]

No, stop trying to normalize deviant behavior. The propagation of the species is dependant on heterosexul coupling of human beings.

I could read beyond that outrageously idiotic opening. The first statement is just absurd. I think most of us still posting on this thread are welcoming of gay people into the whole of society and deprecate your attempts to cast them as wicked.

The second statement appears to ignore the indisputable fact that the human population of the world has increased exponentially to an alarming degree. (An increasing number of heterosexual couple seek to limit their own fertility, having fewer on no children - just like gay couples!)

 

[Divide]

The static percentage not increasing is exactly what Gene and others have been saying. The overall increase in population is not relevant.

Well what kind of smoke & mirrors is that? Not Relevant! N/A. Nothing to see here move along.

Ok I'll try again and you listen real close, ok? As an example: imagine it is 1950. The world population was 5 billion or whatever it was and a certain specific percentage of the population were Gays or whatever. Let's suppose 10% of the population were gay in 1950.
So 10% of 5 billion is 500 million. (You still with me?)
Now fast forward to present day. The staic percentage of the population has not changed and yet the population has increased to 8 billion, Right?

So 10% of 8 Billion is 800 Million. So there is an increase in the number of gays. It went from (for our example) 500,000,000 gays in 1950 to 800,000,000 gays in present,

What do you mean the population is not relevant? Skip that day at school?

 

[Hans Blaster]

We can't take a chance on something that big. It's a spiritual war and not the people themselves anything but vonfused and lost. If we get up off of our Blessed Ass urances and wage the spiritual war.

But you guys don't want to talk about God or spiritual issues. I wonder why?

I don't think gods or "spiritual" issues are real. So there is nothing to talk about.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So when gays come to the christian forum and start preaching gay is good, you act like you don't want me to respond?

What makes you think a large number of gay people have come to CF? Of all the posters I've seen on this site over the years, there are only a couple that were *probably* gay and I can only tell because they gave relationship status as "legal union-other" as CF rules prohibit labeling yourself as "married" if it isn't a "biblical marriage".

The whole diatribe (which I feel no need to fully respond to or read) I quoted this from is in response to my comment about your issues with gay people in the Church. Like I said that seems to be more about you (and your church) than the gay christians. It also has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (uganda).

 

[Divide]

I don't think gods or "spiritual" issues are real. So there is nothing to talk about.

Why in the world would you be on a christian forum if that is true?
That's weird. The man doesn't want to talk about spiritual issues or God but he came to the christian site anyway...

So why is that?

 

[Divide]

What makes you think a large number of gay people have come to CF? Of all the posters I've seen on this site over the years, there are only a couple that were *probably* gay and I can only tell because they gave relationship status as "legal union-other" as CF rules prohibit labeling yourself as "married" if it isn't a "biblical marriage".

The whole diatribe (which I feel no need to fully respond to or read) I quoted this from is in response to my comment about your issues with gay people in the Church. Like I said that seems to be more about you (and your church) than the gay christians. It also has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (uganda).

Ok then, Uganda. I bet Uganda isn't increasing the number of gays!