Should all Christians support Uganda's newest anti LGBTQ+ legislation?

[Hans Blaster]

I don’t care about secular government policies. Christians should not hold the US Constitution in higher regard than the Bible.

Then you're on the wrong thread. This one is about a government policy, not a church body. You said you don't care about government policies.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The book of Revelation is not a direct quote from Christ? What color are those quotes in your Bible? And you didn’t answer my question are Paul’s writings the word of God or not?

All the words in my bible are black. What color is the sky in your world?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, well! That will be news to a lot of observant Christians. Not that it has much to do with the proposed law to make homosexual acts a capital offence in Uganda.

My point was that there were no other cultures or religions before Christianity.

 

[BeyondET]

Ugada...Uganda...A voice in the wilderness stands alone with the entire world against them.

I admire Uganda for this.

Why only pick out one sinner, kill all sinners you can't pick and choose. You cast a stone it's too all sinners.

What is worse a homosexual or a spouse cheater?

 

[Hans Blaster]

My point was that there were no other cultures or religions before Christianity.

Waht? Christianity is only 2000 years old. Culture and religion go back a LOT further than that.

 

[Gene2memE]

The idea that there were no pre-Christian cultures or religions is highly silly. Even if you accept a literal Adam and Eve and a young earth creation and just use the Old Testament as evidence.

According to the Biblical account, Christianity didn't come into existence until Jesus commenced his ministry sometime in around age 30. Adam and Eve would have died thousands of years preceeding this, so how could they be Christians?

Secondly, the Old Testament lists dozens of other gods, religions and cultures that were not Judaic monotheism. There are all sorts of stories about other gods and their priests not being as strong as the various Hebrew patriarchs. I recall Dagon, Baal and Moloch crop up (a lot), usually when Yahweh is ordering genocide against some rival cultural group.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Here's a video explaining the situation

Should all Christians support this legislation and support Uganda on this matter?

No, Christians ought to oppose laws that seek to persecute a minority.

 

[Nithavela]

My point was that there were no other cultures or religions before Christianity.

That must have come as a real shock to Jesus.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That must have come as a real shock to Jesus.

Who do you think was walking in the garden of Eden talking to Adam & Eve?

 

[Whyayeman]

Who do you think was walking in the garden of Eden talking to Adam & Eve?

I don't much go on the Bible myself. So Garden of Eden? A pretty story, that's all.

 

[FredVB]

No, Christians ought to oppose laws that seek to persecute a minority.

Many Christians now are showing intolerance in ways, but it is not in following Jesus. Jesus was showing love and compassion with inclusion of marginalized people that we would do with the fruits of the Spirit. Now is the time for repentance and forgiveness to those who come. Judgment for wickedness will still come, as was foreshadowed, in the end of this age, when he returns, still, but we and the marginalized we reach do not have to be under that, that unrepentant will be.

 

[Whyayeman]

... Jesus was showing love and compassion with inclusion of marginalized people...

I agree that this is at the heart of the Gospel's message. This is what in my view is so often missing in many 'Christian' condemnations of who are described here as marginal people. It is why I have asked for quotes from the Gospels rather than Paul or Timothy - and never had one.

The Gospels are not about condemnation but about reconciliation and love. It should not be up to atheists like me to point this out.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Many Christians now are showing intolerance

Let God judge the world, it is his right. It is our calling to forgive and show mercy because we depend on mercy and forgiveness.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It should not be up to atheists like me to point this out.

The odd thing about that is that some atheists see the truth in the gospel more clearly than many alleged Christians.

 

[Whyayeman]

The odd thing about that is that some atheists see the truth in the gospel more clearly than many alleged Christians.

I have a theory about this: the Christian duty of compassion is beyond many would-be Christians; they can find comfort in other parts of their Bible which more closely echo their prejudices.

This thread shows this. There are views expressed herre which are (in my view) at odds with Christ's teaching) and supported by quotations from elsewhere. I sometimes think that many who call themselves Christians are really 'Paulians', preferring what Paul has asserted.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I sometimes think that many who call themselves Christians are really 'Paulians', preferring what Paul has asserted.

The ancient churches place their greatest emphasis on the teaching of Christ in the four canonical gospels. But others have taken saint Paul's letter as their touchstone for truth. To me, that is an oddity that is hard to explain. Saint Paul have many most worthy things to say and he has a talent for saying some things very well but as saint Peter observed regarding Paul's letters, there are things in them that are hard to understand.

If one were to construct a hierarchy of truth then the truth most revered would be that in the gospels.

 

[Whyayeman]

If one were to construct a hierarchy of truth then the truth most revered would be that in the gospels.

I think that hierarchy is implied by 'Christian'. When two sources in the Bible are at odds then - by definition - all Christians will prefer Christ over Paul, surely?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think that hierarchy is implied by 'Christian'. When two sources in the Bible are at odds then - by definition - all Christians will prefer Christ over Paul, surely?

Whenever I try pointing out that Paul was just writing his own ideas (something he clearly states in several cases), I get pushback that Paul was "inspired by God" and therefore speaks for him. I can't help but think sometimes they pick the one they like better.

 

[FredVB]

Jesus Christ came for the way out from God's judgment to be provided, and, God is not willing that any would perish but that all would come to repentance. What Paul wrote should not be thought of as overriding Jesus. If there is contradiction found, Jesus is right and Paul is being misunderstood yet again.