Is Calvinism a heresy?

[jameslouise]

I had a look at your work but must confess that I lost a lot of interest when reading the first title confirming your adherence to Gap Theory and would recommend you read the many articles found below

That's your choice, but be careful Solomon may call you a name when you meet him in heaven! Pro 18:13

The link will provide absolute proof of gap theory beyond any doubt too as well as refuting Calvinism. you choose not to hear it? Ostriches and sand?

As for the AIG articles, I know their arguments backwards and they have declined to engage with me btw

 

[John Mullally]

John Mullally states :I don't find any scripture that explicitly says that God decides which individuals will be believe the Gospel and thus be saved. If that was important, I would expect that to be explicitly stated

I agree but you are missing my point, Let me try a different approach
Acts 17 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring
In who?
who is we?
when were 'we' there-when is this time of old prophets?
Why are we there because we are his offspring?
'Also',- does the also mean we are in some else

In a sense, Acts 17:28 remains true until one is cast into hell because that is where one feels the absence of God. On another level, the living lost do not have God as their Father. Remember Paul was quoting pagan philosophers on that.

I am not trying to be difficult. I don't know what you are driving at.

• Are you alluding to people having pre-existence with God? I don't have a strong opinion on that matter. Even if I did I would not talk about it because I am unable to derive a practical application from that.
• Are you alluding to God having a good well-meaning plan for everyone that includes salvation? I agree with that per Jeremiah 29:11.
• Are you saying everyone starts life on earth as being "In Christ", but that ends with sin? Romans 7:9?
• Are you saying everyone is "In Christ"? I don't agree.

 

[maxamir]

That's your choice, but be careful Solomon may call you a name when you meet him in heaven! Pro 18:13

The link will provide absolute proof of gap theory beyond any doubt too as well as refuting Calvinism. you choose not to hear it? Ostriches and sand?

As for the AIG articles, I know their arguments backwards and they have declined to engage with me btw

I choose not to engage with such a topic, firstly because it is not related to this thread and secondly and most importantly, because it is pandering to theistic evolution which I refuse to waste my time on as it doubts that God who created everything out of nothing was not able to do so within six day. I have found from experience that once a person deviates from the truth of Scripture they are also lead into other lies.

 

[maxamir]

It seems that some here are resorting to censorship in order to remove posts that I have made, in which I have called out those involved in heresy. If I didn't stand for the truth as revealed in Holy Scripture then I would be a heretic myself. Once again, I state this not to any specific person but to everyone who trusts in anything they do, which includes their will or faith, that they are not yet humbled before God to see their desperate need for grace which is found only in the person and work of Christ and not themselves.

It is only when God grants a person to see themselves as they truly are before who God truly is that there eyes are opened to see Christ and trust only in Him. I have made this truth plain in the Scriptures which I have given that show that man is spiritually dead after the Fall and can do nothing to save himself which is why the foundation of the Doctrines of Grace, aka Calvinism, is man's total depravity and it is because of this that all of the glory of salvation must belong to the Lord.

Those wishing to deny this truth must also be able to answer the many questions found in the link below.

NUTS FOR ARMINIANS TO CRACK By Elder J.B. Hardy, Sr (1837 – 1913)

 

[John Mullally]

I have made this truth plain in the Scriptures which I have given that show that man is spiritually dead after the Fall and can do nothing to save himself which is why the foundation of the Doctrines of Grace, aka Calvinism, is man's total depravity and it is because of this that all of the glory of salvation must belong to the Lord.

I can't let that slide as what you say here is clearly contradicted in Acts 2. While Peter accused much of Israel of crucifying Jesus, the crowd cried "Brothers, what shall we do?", Peter did not tell them that nothing could be done, instead he promised salvation (i.e. forgiveness of sins and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit) to those who repent and are baptized. Peter pled with the crowd, and even encouraged them to "save yourselves". And 3000 responded and were added to the church.

36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” 37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.​

 

[maxamir]

 

[jameslouise]

In a sense, Acts 17:28 remains true until one is cast into hell because that is where one feels the absence of God. On another level, the living lost do not have God as their Father. Remember Paul was quoting pagan philosophers on that

Maybe, but the text could not be clearer, it defines an existing, living, moving being inside God the Father well before such a n existence was available in Christ. Setting up a beautiful parallel with God the Father and Christ

I am not trying to be difficult. I don't know what you are driving a

Your argument against maximir have been excellent and conclusive and educative to me except for your position on Eph 1:4 where I think the Calvinistic interpretation is better than yours until that is, you understand that the text in part refers to inside God the Father

Are you alluding to people having pre-existence with God? I don't have a strong opinion on that matter. Even if I did I would not talk about it because I am unable to derive a practical application from that.

Excatly

Are you alluding to God having a good well-meaning plan for everyone that includes salvation? I agree with that per Jeremiah 29:11.

Exactly Rom 8:29 confirms it as those he foreknew becomes everybody

Are you saying everyone starts life on earth as being "In Christ", but that ends with sin? Romans 7:9?

No

Are you saying everyone is "In Christ"? I don't agree

No and i agree with you

I choose not to engage with such a topic, firstly because it is not related to this thread and secondly and most importantly,

It gives proof against Calvinism so how can you say it is not related?

is pandering to theistic evolution which I refuse to waste my time on as it doubts that God who created everything out of nothing was not able to do so within six day

There you go again, commenting on something you have not read. I do not subscribe to theistic evolution- a wrong assumption. The God Idescribe is bigger than yours. He created two worlds (one in 6 days) both to testify to his son in a staggering parallel.

It seems that some here are resorting to censorship in order to remove posts that I have made, in which I have called out those involved in heresy. If I didn't stand for the truth as revealed in Holy Scripture then I would be a heretic myself

i do not know about any censorship but I do know I have revealed truth to you in scripture, truth you have never heard before, a completely new insight and YOU declined to read it.

 

[maxamir]

There you go again, commenting on something you have not read. I do not subscribe to theistic evolution- a wrong assumption. The God Idescribe is bigger than yours. He created two worlds (one in 6 days) both to testify to his son in a staggering parallel.

Please show me in Scripture where God created two worlds as you suppose as there is only one terrestrial world.

If you want people to listen to your arguments, you would be better off making them simple and concise.

You have not yet replied to me correcting your view about man still having dominion as your argument for him still having the image of God.

If you choose to continue any discussion on the subject of this thread, then please let me know whether you affirm the Holy Scriptures as being inspired, inerrant and infallible and make clear whether you agree or not that man is spiritually dead after the Fall and therefore completely unable in himself to raise himself from that death as described below.

 

[maxamir]

 

[John Mullally]

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For Calvinists who wish to promote a doctrine of Natural Inability, there is good and bad news. The good news is that it really is a doctrine found in the Bible. The bad news is that it reflects the doctrine of unrepentant Israel, which doctrine, God repudiated:

Jeremiah 18:11-13: “‘So now then, speak to the men of Judah and against the inhabitants of Jerusalem saying, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I am fashioning calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds.’” But they will say, “It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.” Therefore thus says the Lord, “Ask now among the nations, who ever heard the like of this? The virgin of Israel has done a most appalling thing.”’”​

 

[bbbbbbb]

For Calvinists who wish to promote a doctrine of Natural Inability, there is good and bad news. The good news is that it really is a doctrine found in the Bible. The bad news is that it reflects the doctrine of unrepentant Israel, which doctrine, God repudiated:

Jeremiah 18:11-13: “‘So now then, speak to the men of Judah and against the inhabitants of Jerusalem saying, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I am fashioning calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds.’” But they will say, “It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.” Therefore thus says the Lord, “Ask now among the nations, who ever heard the like of this? The virgin of Israel has done a most appalling thing.”’”​

Just a quick pause here in the action. Do you personally consider Calvinism to be a heresy? If so, what other theologies do you include in your understanding as being heretical? Thank you.

 

[John Mullally]

Just a quick pause here in the action. Do you personally consider Calvinism to be a heresy? If so, what other theologies do you include in your understanding as being heretical? Thank you.

I think Calvinism is in error and I demonstrate that from scripture. But as I said earlier on this thread I think most Calvinist are saved. I have never called anyone a heretic.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The below illustration makes very plain the difference between the two camps.

There are more than two camps.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I think Calvinism is in error and I demonstrate that from scripture. But as I said earlier on this thread I think most Calvinist are saved. I have never called anyone a heretic.

That is what I thought you believed and appreciate your confirmation. Thus, the OP is no longer a question under discussion because all active members on this thread are in agreement that Calvinism is not a heresy and Calvinists are not heretics.

That said, the nub of the problem is still being discussed, which is whether or not Calvinism, as commonly understood as a monergistic soteriology, is actually true or if an alternative soteriology, such as Arminianism, is actually true. I think that the proponents of either side would agree that both are probably not true, at least in any sort of equal sense.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Thus, the OP is no longer a question under discussion because all active members on this thread are in agreement that Calvinism is not a heresy and Calvinists are not heretics.

You need to read the OP again if you think that is what is it about.

 

[jameslouise]

Please show me in Scripture where God created two worlds as you suppose as there is only one terrestrial world.

Two different worlds (komoses) on the same earth that is.
The whole of Genesis 1 and 2 . In particular, the use of 'it was so' means it used to be that way in the first creation. You just gotta read the link maxy and stop messing about. There is no doubt.

Genesis Similitudes

You have not yet replied to me correcting your view about man still having dominion as your argument for him still having the image of God.

I have answered it, you seem to think 'image of god' is sin free? Well most if us are not sin free? I can find no scriptural evidence to limit the meaning of 'in his image'. Can you? Body spirit and soull to jesus, God the Father and The Holy Spirit is 'in his image'. Our base spirit from God the Father, indwelt with Jesus and The Holy Spirit is 'in his image' and the saved being conformed to christ is also 'in his image'. Head, face eyes hands arme legs also 'in his image'.
When some of us are 'without spot or blemish' living in the spirit and sin free, that will also again be 'in his image'

If you choose to continue any discussion on the subject of this thread, then please let me know whether you affirm the Holy Scriptures as being inspired, inerrant and infallible and make clear whether you agree or not that man is spiritually dead after the Fall

I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Man is indeed spiritually dead after the fall but::

therefore completely unable in himself to raise himself from that death as described below.

Here is where we disagree I think man cant get himself out of this mess, but he can let/ allow/permit/ask The Holy Spirit do it. And so far you have not shown me any scripture that says otherwise. I have shown you scripture that confirms it but you decline to read it.

If you want people to listen to your arguments, you would be better off making them simple and concise.

I try to but sometimes you cannot, says the man of a thousand links btw.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You need to read the OP again if you think that is what is it about.

The title you gave to this thread is, "Is Calvinism a heresy?" At this point all participants are in agreement (including yourself) that it is not.

Your opening post merely reflected the position of the Catholic Church that it is not a heresy. Thereby, you positioned yourself in the ensuing discussion. Perhaps a more accurate title to this thread might have been, "What do you think about Calvinism?" Given the fact that the discussion is really not about Calvinism or Reformed theology, but about monergism, it would have been even better if you had substituted monergism for Calvinism.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The title you gave to this thread is, "Is Calvinism a heresy?"

The title is just the title, the original post defines the topic. Have a look at it.

The Catholic Church does not consider Calvinism, a theology developed by John Calvin in the 16th century, to be heretical. However, it does disagree with certain aspects of Calvinist theology, particularly the belief in double predestination, the doctrine that God predestines some individuals to eternal salvation and others to eternal damnation. The Catholic Church teaches that God desires the salvation of all humanity, and that every person has the free will to accept or reject God's grace.

The Catholic Church also disagree with the beliefs of the "Limited atonement" which is the belief that Jesus died only for the elect. The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus died for all humanity, and that his sacrifice on the cross is sufficient for the salvation of all people.

In summary, while the Catholic Church does not consider Calvinism to be heretical, it disagrees with certain aspects of Calvinist theology, particularly the belief in double predestination and limited atonement.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

the discussion is really not about Calvinism or Reformed theology, but about monergism, it would have been even better if you had substituted monergism for Calvinism.

I wrote the original post, I know what it is about and your precis is inaccurate.

 

[zoidar]

I wrote the original post, I know what it is about and your precis is inaccurate.

There is no question in your OP so I thought it was about if Calvinism is a heresy or not.