The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

[Hans Blaster]

It seems to be going a lot deeper than this as what is called the Western World ... Europe, British Commonwealth, North America are all under attack, and oddly enough by their own governments. This recently came to the limelight once again, this time regarding the coronation of King Charles who has abandoned tradition for the world of the WEF as have the other mentioned nations as they al follow the great reset which as we see is not for the benefit of the people as a whole. Neil Oliver does a quick explanation of what is happening to all of us. He refers to Great Britain but we are all under the same attack. Take a moment or at least the first half.

What does Prinz Carl (aka, Chuck-3) have to do with alleged collapse of the West? What is the point of this rando's video?
Britain is a very tiny part of "the West".

 

[FireDragon76]

What does Prinz Carl (aka, Chuck-3) have to do with alleged collapse of the West? What is the point of this rando's video?
Britain is a very tiny part of "the West".

Britain isn't even all that representative anymore. France or Germany are far more influential, and rank higher on the Democracy Index, not coincidentally.

 

[timothyu]

What is happening to one is happening to all. Sorry you missed the point.

 

[Petros2015]

From what I have read, the Vietnam War set in motion a loss of trust in American institutions

This movie left an impression on me; it's not really much like the trailer.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What is happening to one is happening to all. Sorry you missed the point.

I don't even know what's "happening" in Britain, or what it has to do with it's recently promoted elderly princeling. I live in a democracy we don't have such abominations as monarchy as is britain and it's various dependencies.

 

[timothyu]

. I live in a democracy we don't have such abominations as monarchy as is britain and it's various dependencies.

Again... you missed the point.

 

[FireDragon76]

What is happening to one is happening to all. Sorry you missed the point.

I follow actual evidence, not conspiracy theory innuendo.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Again... you missed the point.

I've yet to see one.

 

[Bradskii]

Good grief...we are supposed to treat seriously some sad Scot rambling in his bedsit, quoting lines from Black Adder, 70's westerns and Only Fools and Horses?

 

[stevevw]

I think what's really happening is the decline of the US, not necessarily a decline of all western nations. However, this has consequences since for many years, the US has been perceived as a leader in promoting democratic norms. But that isn't true anymore. The US is actually considered a "flawed democracy" now, right up there with Jamaica and Mongolia.

The Economist Democracy Index - Wikipedia

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From what I have read, the Vietnam War set in motion a loss of trust in American institutions, since so many were complicit in promoting a divisive and costly war. My guess is the Iraq and Afghan wars will turn out to be no different.

I agree and think democracy is self imploding in Western nations especially the US, Britain, Australia and some European nations like Germany and France. As a result along with Postmodernism I think this has seen a form of Cultural Marxism come into play where people are beginning to question the Western ideas of Capitalism and Neoliberalism as well as the Western Ethos of Christianity and are now pushing socialism.

Hense we are seeing more intervention by Governments into everyday life through restrictive policies and laws which deny Free speech, thought and autonomy. This has led to a cultural war and divided society. This is a reciepe for trouble as it polarizes society and creates radicalization where identity groups attack each other even to the point of extreme violence. Nothing can bring down an Empire like a divided one.

 

[FireDragon76]

I agree and think democracy is self imploding in Western nations especially the US, Britain, Australia and some European nations like Germany and France.

"Self-imploding" is not a realistic assessment of what is happening. Germany and France still have robust democracies. So do Australia and Canada. Even the UK's democracy is still robust, despite the trouble caused by Brexit.

The center of the "Free World" is shifting towards Europe and Australasia instead of the US.

 

[timothyu]

"Self-imploding" is not a realistic assessment of what is happening. Germany and France still have robust democracies. So do Australia and Canada. Even the UK's democracy is still robust, despite the trouble caused by Brexit.

The center of the "Free World" is shifting towards Europe and Australasia instead of the US.

All are role models for the WEF, especially Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth.. No democracy there as our choice in the matter is decreasing.

 

[stevevw]

"Self-imploding" is not a realistic assessment of what is happening. Germany and France still have robust democracies. So do Australia and Canada. Even the UK's democracy is still robust, despite the trouble caused by Brexit.

The center of the "Free World" is shifting towards Europe and Australasia instead of the US.

I think Democracy gets to a point where it cannot sustain itself under the weight of trying to accommodate differences. I think a combination of Capitalism and Neoliberalism has created a class society where a small number of wealthy and powerful players are controlling things rather than the people.

The voting system seems rigged due to preferences and Gerrymaneders while money seems to buy you votes as we have seen with Trump. Often there are no good candidates and people have to choose someone they don't necessarily believe in and thanks to preferences often the winner is not those with the most votes.

Social media has led to Fake news and allows individuals and small groups to influence elections and policy. Polititions are unqualified to run nations today ande its more about career politics than life experience so they often get things wrong and mismanage the economy. Many people are skeptical of polititions and don't trust the system.

Add to this Postmodernism and the Cultural war thats divided society where radical ideologies and politics seem to dominate with extreme Left aned Right politics which dictate policy where the majority disagree. The Government has been interferring with Free speech and movement and controlling our lives more and more through tech and regulations telling us what language we should use and how we should live.

Most Western nations are not doing well economically. They have artifically propped up their economies through borrowing and inflating the housing sector and most are in massive debt. Most experts say we are headed for recession if not another GFC where we may see entire Nations go bankrupt.

Perhaps after decades of success we are starting to see cracks appear in Democracy. In the past political parties were more towards the middle but in recent years there has been more radical movements and governments on the extreme ends of the political spectrum taking over. many people are calling for an end to Western ways of governing and some are even calling for a new way which is really an old way like Marxism to address the growing social and economic inequality.

 

[MehGuy]

I have read that the average IQ is slowly dropping. Admittedly, I am not sure if this includes eastern countries also.

News like this does alarm me. A drop of say.. 5 IQ points in the national average might not sound like a lot, but I believe it can have very devastating consequences. The success of a nation isn't just from its elite, but probably more so from having a competent working class. With the emergence of AI and soon more sophisticated robots, this might be less of an issue. It's hard to judge how the winds of the future will go.. but it's fair to have some worry.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have read that the average IQ is slowly dropping. Admittedly, I am not sure if this includes eastern countries also.

News like this does alarm me. A drop of say.. 5 IQ points in the national average might not sound like a lot, but I believe it can have very devastating consequences. The success of a nation isn't just from its elite, but probably more so from having a competent working class. With the emergence of AI and soon more sophisticated robots, this might be less of an issue. It's hard to judge how the winds of the future will go.. but it's fair to have some worry.

In a properly calibrated IQ test, the average can never drop below 100.

 

[MehGuy]

In a properly calibrated IQ test, the average can never drop below 100.

I'll try to phrase it better next time.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I'll try to phrase it better next time.

I really wasn't sure what your claim had to do with any of the moral panics driving the rest of this thread.

 

[MehGuy]

I really wasn't sure what your claim had to do with any of the moral panics driving the rest of this thread.

It's the same tired stuff I've heard Christians saying all my life. I thought I'd give the OP something more realistic to be concerned about.

 

[Bradskii]

It's the same tired stuff I've heard Christians saying all my life.

Is it perhaps the need to feel relevant? I see that the less relevant religion becomes the louder the religious arguments get. There's a whiff of desperation about it.

Very many years ago when I joined my first Christian forum, the arguments were all about homosexuality and sex before marriage. Now, with the odd exception, they are no longer the topic de jour. Arguments against either now seem quaint. Then it was SSM. And another loss to the religious right. So now there's a need for something else to fire up the faithful. So it's children. I mean, who can argue about protecting children! That must be a winner. So now it's books and drag. It's same sex toilets. It's cartoon sex.

So let's huff and puff about libraries and grooming. Let's pick those cherries and throw them all at the Liberal Wall and see what sticks. Let's stay relevant. Otherwise...well, gee - we'll just be ignored.

 

[Diamond72]

It's time for millennials to make the change we need to make as a society.

Sometimes it is a big enough challenge to change ourselves into the people we should be.