Federal judge temporarily halts Tennessee's 'drag ban' law on free speech grounds

[Servus]

Why do so many people desire to have children taught to think that gender is anything one wants it to be? Why do they stand behind it so much?

 

[rambot]

So the bar of what's acceptable around children is to be set at anything less than perpetrating sexual violence?

Well no. But I see the crisis in American churches and I would think that ALL attention would be focussed on that given the prevalence. If DQSH had some actual scarring, harmful outcomes, there'd be reason to be concerned. As it is, it's a bad look for Christians to chase drag queens.

What's to be concerned about is an obvious agenda to completely reshape society to fit their standards.

Yeah. Like just being able to read a book to children in a library.

 

[rambot]

Why do so many people desire to have children taught to think that gender is anything one wants it to be? Why do they stand behind it so much?

If you understand gender, you know that it CAN be anything. Personally I don't know why any pines and wiles away the hours considering such banality.

 

[Servus]

If you understand gender, you know that it CAN be anything.

How so?

Personally I don't know why any pines and wiles away the hours considering such banality.

It's really something that needs to be glossed over eh?

 

[Servus]

Well no. But I see the crisis in American churches and I would think that ALL attention would be focussed on that given the prevalence. If DQSH had some actual scarring, harmful outcomes, there'd be reason to be concerned. As it is, it's a bad look for Christians to chase drag queens.

A good way to gloss over something and downplay it, is saying that there are bigger things to be concerned about, and people are overreacting, and being hysterical etc. But I think you made the real reason for supporting it obvious; which is because Christians object to it.

Yeah. Like just being able to read a book to children in a library.

There's more to it that, which I'm sure you know. But since Christians don't want it happening, that's why it needs to happen.

 

[Pommer]

“How much do we want our children to know?” seems like an awful lot like the last vestiges of the generation between 1945-1965, not knowing that kids know a lot more because the internet is older than they are. It’s their medium, where they’re growing up. They know much more than one might think that they do which is why they seem to “disrespect” their elders, because they already know what some are afraid about, the “kids learning ‘too-soon’!”
Which folks would know, if they actually talked to their kids.

 

[rambot]

A good way to gloss over something and downplay it, is saying that there are bigger things to be concerned about, and people are overreacting, and being hysterical etc. But I think you made the real reason for supporting it obvious; which is because Christians object to it.

It is not simply that christians object to it. It's that object to it so baselessly.

There's more to it that, which I'm sure you know. But since Christians don't want it happening, that's why it needs to happen.

Honestly, it comes down to as simple as this:

 

[Servus]

It is not simply that christians object to it. It's that object to it so baselessly.

How is it baseless? And how is it that gender "CAN be anything."?

Honestly, it comes down to as simple as this:
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The problem with that analogy is objection to abortion and objection to LGBTQQIP2SAA+ trying to reprogram society is not restricted to religious belief. Or put another way, it's not just religious people who object to it.

 

[Pommer]

How is it baseless?

The problem with that analogy is objection to abortion and objection to LGBTQQIP2SAA+ trying to reprogram society is not restricted to religious belief. Or put another way, it's not just religious people who object to it.

But Drag performances are “speech” that the government wants to restrict but wrote a law so vague that it might not even be enforceable since it could be broken so often.
The justification for this intrusion is to prevent “harm to children!” without specifying what that “harm” *is*.

The government is allowed to restrict speech for a Very Good Reason beyond “it’s in poor taste”, or “lots of us don’t like it! Democracy!”

 

[zelosravioli]

The sexuality practiced, insinuated, and promoted in drag shows and the modern trans community is no comedy, and Mrs Doubtfire, Tootsie or Julie Andrews, or Yentl, was less about sexuality than a episode of Friends. Yet a trans show seems to 'always' be about the most 'extreme' forms of sex and sexuality, with sex acts practically, and sometimes acted out - pretending the trans community just wants to promote 'reading' like other moms want to promote reading, is absurd. How many of these trans men are actually dads, er moms.. and what school has a dad reading at story time anyways? Isnt that generally a mom thing?

 

[Servus]

But Drag performances are “speech” that the government wants to restrict but wrote a law so vague that it might not even be enforceable since it could be broken so often.
The justification for this intrusion is to prevent “harm to children!” without specifying what that “harm” *is*.

The government is allowed to restrict speech for a Very Good Reason beyond “it’s in poor taste”, or “lots of us don’t like it! Democracy!”

The question is, why do drag queens want children gathering around them so much?

It seems to clearly to be issue of children being exploited by a group to achieve their political social goals. There's always been this stringent claim that LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is not out to get your children. But this sort of thing proves otherwise. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next thing to come along is drag queen / LGBTQQIP2SAA+ summer camps for kids. Provided that's not already happening.

Also it's clear there's an agenda to not only get parents comfortable with them hanging around their kids, but to defend against any opposition to it.

 

[Servus]

The sexuality practiced, insinuated, and promoted in drag shows and the modern trans community is no comedy, and Mrs Doubtfire, Tootsie or Julie Andrews, or Yentl, was less about sexuality than a episode of Friends. Yet a trans show seems to 'always' be about the most 'extreme' forms of sex and sexuality, with sex acts practically, and sometimes acted out - pretending the trans community just wants to promote 'reading' like other moms want to promote reading, is absurd. How many of these trans men are actually dads, er moms.. and what school has a dad reading at story time anyways? Isnt that generally a mom thing?

When it comes to Tootsie and Mrs. Doubtfire etc. I would have found it disturbing if those actors had started going around having story time routines with kids while in drag.

 

[SimplyMe]

The sexuality practiced, insinuated, and promoted in drag shows and the modern trans community is no comedy,

Let's be clear here, the "trans community" and "drag performers" are two entirely separate groups with different goals and outlooks. It would be about like claiming "MAGA" and "Neo-cons" are all the same, after all, they both fall under the umbrella of Republicans.

and Mrs Doubtfire, Tootsie or Julie Andrews, or Yentl, was less about sexuality than a episode of Friends.

I think you misremember those shows. Tootsie ends up with the problem where the "drag" character falls in love with his co-star, with the love triangle completed by the love-interests' father falls for the character in "drag." In Mrs. Doubtfire the "drag" character gets upset that his ex-wife is dating a guy, and has it out for the man that is trying to sleep with his ex-wife.

Yet a trans show seems to 'always' be about the most 'extreme' forms of sex and sexuality, with sex acts practically, and sometimes acted out - pretending the trans community just wants to promote 'reading' like other moms want to promote reading, is absurd. How many of these trans men are actually dads, er moms.. and what school has a dad reading at story time anyways? Isnt that generally a mom thing?

Always? Just how many drag shows have you been to? Or are you just repeating what you've heard from your favorite conservative pundits? And, again, people in drag reading has nothing to do with the trans community. Drag performers, as a general rule, have no interest in living as the gender they perform as, they typically are not trans. Just as trans do not want to be seen as "drag queens" but rather, simply as the gender they believe they are.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Let me ask a question to you please.

If a straight white Christian man is showing children depictions of child sex is considered a sexual predator and pedophile.

What is an adult teacher showing children depictions of child sex?

@rambot I answered your two questions honestly. Could you please answer mine?

Thank you

 

[Always in His Presence]

If you understand gender, you know that it CAN be anything. Personally I don't know why any pines and wiles away the hours considering such banality.

When did that understanding happen?

To follow that understanding I have to deny the science of biology or manipulate its meaning so that a mental condition. Gender Dysphoria has suddenly become scientific fact.

When exactly did that happen?

When exactly did the thought that sex and sexual orientation have now become sex and gender?

Gender has slowly evolved to a social construct. If you go to other countries, there are only two genders. Sharia and heavily Muslim states social construct recognize only two.

So who is right?

The concept of gender identity isn’t even 60 years old in theory and less than 15 years old in practical application.

That is the issue I have with it. It is not science and less than a generation ago it was a mental disorder.

 

[Servus]

Do you think a drag queen reading a simple book like "Little Blue Truck" is problematic?
What if that same drag queen read "And Tango Makes Three"? The book about the gay penguin couple who were given an orphan penquin baby.
Would that be problematic?

What's problematic is all these drag queens suddenly showing such a keen interest in children. Equally problematic is the keen desire others have for it to happen.

 

[Larniavc]

What's problematic is all these drag queens suddenly showing such a keen interest in children. Equally problematic is the keen desire of others have for it to happen.

Why is it problematic? Please be specific. Is it more or less problematic than youth pastors?

 

[Servus]

Why is it problematic? Please be specific. Is it more or less problematic than youth pastors?

It seems to clearly to be issue of children being exploited by a group to achieve their political social goals. There's always been this stringent claim that LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is not out to get your children. But this sort of thing proves otherwise. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next thing to come along is drag queen / LGBTQQIP2SAA+ summer camps for kids. Provided that's not already happening.

Also it's clear there's an agenda to not only get parents comfortable with them hanging around their kids, but to defend against any opposition to it.

Ever hear the story of the Pied Piper?

Here's what I got when I googled "pied piper drag queen". A literal Pied Piper Drag Queen.

But no, they are not coming for your children. Really, no agenda whatsoever *wink wink*. Stay woke.

 

[Larniavc]

It seems to clearly to be issue of children being exploited by a group to achieve their political social goals.

In what way are they being exploited?

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next thing to come along is drag queen / LGBTQQIP2SAA+ summer camps for kids. Provided that's not already happening.

You mean like the youth pastor led camps we hear so much about in the news?

 

[rambot]

How is it baseless? And how is it that gender "CAN be anything."?

Well can you tell me what "gender" is without looking it up?

The problem with that analogy is objection to abortion and objection to LGBTQQIP2SAA+ trying to reprogram society is not restricted to religious belief. Or put another way, it's not just religious people who object to it.

Sure. It's not only Christians who fall foe nonsense like that. But that doesn't mean Christians are not doing that. It's a legitimate question to be asked.