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Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

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All are just as dangerous... Just as deadly... just as useful to do harm or protect someone.. or.... to hunt..
This is not true. All guns are not created equal.

I agree... But.. more gun laws for law abiding people is not going to stop anything.

Increased gun crime is a perfect reason to increase restrictions and laws agains legal, safe, law abiding gun owners...

But.. will have no effect on gun crime and violence... which will lead to more laws... with no affect and more laws.. more laws... more laws... and the eventual confiscation of legal guns..
How do you explain the states with the strongest gun laws having less gun violence than those with weaker laws?
 
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This is not true. All guns are not created equal.


How do you explain the states with the strongest gun laws having less gun violence than those with weaker laws?
Chicago has very strict gun laws so I heard . People get shot every day in Chicago almost. Most of the cities riddled with crime are run by Liberal mayors .
 
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Chicago has very strict gun laws so I heard . People get shot every day in Chicago almost. Most of the cities riddled with crime are run by Liberal mayors .
Chicago is actually a perfect example of why there needs to be stricter gun control laws on a national level. The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana where gun laws are less restrictive. If there were uniform gun control laws that required thorough background checks, licensing, registration, training, etc., then the number of shootings in Chicago as well as schools and other public places throughout the country would drop substantially.
 
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This is not true. All guns are not created equal.


How do you explain the states with the strongest gun laws having less gun violence than those with weaker laws?

All guns of the same caliber are the same.... what they look like.. is moot.
It's like a knife.. Make it out of a bone carved like a skull.. no more dangerous than a simple wooden handle on the same blade.

As for gun laws vs gun violence.. those statistics can be argued for decades.

As I have said before. The simple increase in background checks vetting the purchaser would help in a lot of states in the US.


A 2019 study led by Boston University researchers found that states that went beyond the federal standards and imposed universal background checks had a nearly 15 percent lower rate of homicides than states that allowed loopholes for private gun sales. Additionally, tightening restrictions to ban gun purchases by people convicted of misdemeanors involving violence — as opposed to more serious felonies that would cause a rejection by the federal standard — had an even bigger 18 percent drop in the homicide rate. The researchers, however, cautioned that additional studies would be required to determine if the declines were caused by the stricter laws [source: BU].
 
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Chicago is actually a perfect example of why there needs to be stricter gun control laws on a national level. The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana where gun laws are less restrictive. If there were uniform gun control laws that required thorough background checks, licensing, registration, training, etc., then the number of shootings in Chicago as well as schools and other public places throughout the country would drop substantially.

The majority of crimes are committed by criminals who are allowed to keep re offending because Liberals are soft on crime . More gun laws just punish Law Abiding Citizens.
 
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All guns of the same caliber are the same.... what they look like.. is moot.
No, not all guns of the same caliber are the same. A longer barrel for example will yield higher velocities than a gun with a shorter barrel. A rifled barrel is more accurate than a smooth bore. Some are single shot, some semi automatic. Some accept detachable high capacity magazines others do not, etc..

Some guns of the same caliber are more efficient at killing than others.
 
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Im speaking from a Christian perspective, the Bible does justify hunting.
Again no where in my post did I say you can't go hunting, read again. People hunt here with gun laws.

The Bible is not talking about AK-47's nor is it talking about handing guns over to any kid or crazy person indiscriminately.

As I said in my first post, gun laws are about stopping the rash sale of high power weaponry to unstable people.
And when you all say it won't work, nothing will change. Just look at us and how we changed. No mass shootings in over 20 years has been worth every gun law we have.
 
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They apparently want gun laws like what they've got in countries such as England and Australia and Japan where they have really strict gun laws and much less gun crime.
I saw some time ago a video and they showed this graph (would love to get my hands on that graph) that the amount of gun violence, death and injury correlated to the number of guns in the country. It didn't matter who was said to own them, it was the number of guns easily available. Who do you think tops that list on number of guns and the injury and death rates from them? The US- surprise surprise. This didn't just cover gangs or mass shootings or robberies and such but accidental shootings as well.

492 people in the US unintentionally die by gun in an average year.
In 2019 it was 4 here.
 

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More gun laws just punish Law Abiding Citizens.
The way I see it, as a law abiding citizen, any inconveniences that additional gun control measures may create are worth it because they will reduce gun violence and save lives.
 
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The way I see it, as a law abiding citizen, any inconveniences that additional gun control measures may create are worth it because they will reduce gun violence and save lives.
Yes they will save criminal lives . The law abiding citizen with a musket has no chance against a felon/felons with a semi automatic firearm.
 
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The law abiding citizen with a musket has no chance against a felon/felons with a semi automatic firearm.
None of the gun control measures being proposed would prevent a law abiding citizen from owning a semi automatic firearm.
 
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Again no where in my post did I say you can't go hunting, read again. People hunt here with gun laws.

The Bible is not talking about AK-47's nor is it talking about handing guns over to any kid or crazy person indiscriminately.

As I said in my first post, gun laws are about stopping the rash sale of high power weaponry to unstable people.
And when you all say it won't work, nothing will change. Just look at us and how we changed. No mass shootings in over 20 years has been worth every gun law we have.

Hasnt Australia outlawed firearms or handguns? There are still many firearm related businesses there. What are their gun laws like? But you know the way people die is not the governments business. They pretend they care about gun deaths to disarm us. But really they want population reduction in the name of environmental balance. We are the last ones going down to this new world order. They want us to give up our sovereignty. Is the rapture going to happen by 2028. I’m hoping!
 
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No, not all guns of the same caliber are the same. A longer barrel for example will yield higher velocities than a gun with a shorter barrel. A rifled barrel is more accurate than a smooth bore. Some are single shot, some semi automatic. Some accept detachable high capacity magazines others do not, etc..

Some guns of the same caliber are more efficient at killing than others.
You are correct that some are more accurate and can hold more ammunition. However, I know of no smooth bore rifles. In fact "rifling" is the spiral grooves in a barrel that make a gun a "rifle"

Only shotguns have smooth bore and even a shotgun can have a rifled barrel.

My point is... I can have a semi auto 308 rifle with wooden stock and a 5 shot clip.. and it is no more or less dangerous than a military style 308 with the same barrel, clip and action... even if it has a red dot scope, flashlight, composite stock, muzzle brake, sling and all the other military accessories.

People want military AR-15's banned... they think AR stands for "automatic Rifle".. They think the gun looks scary...


Meanwhile.. no automatic rifles are allowed in the US or Canada and the "AR" stands for ArmiaLite Rifle... the company that manufactured it ... and it comes in any assortment of calibers.

AR rifles have become popular for hunting.

All guns can kill and banning an AR rifle is misleading.... as they are just "pimped up" guns. They are still.. a barrel... and a projectile.. that can be perfectly harmless... or... in the hands of anyone evil... can do harm.
 
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My point is... I can have a semi auto 308 rifle with wooden stock and a 5 shot clip.. and it is no more or less dangerous than a military style 308 with the same barrel, clip and action... even if it has a red dot scope, flashlight, composite stock, muzzle brake, sling and all the other military accessories.
You should have worded it this way to begin with instead of saying "All guns of the same caliber are the same...."
People want military AR-15's banned... they think AR stands for "automatic Rifle".. They think the gun looks scary...
I know what AR stands for and I still want the AR-15 along with similar "assault style" weapons banned, they have no place in our society. In addition to a ban on "assault style" weapons limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds, or better yet 5, on all other semiautomatic weapons.
AR rifles have become popular for hunting.
There are far more superior rifles available for hunting and if the AR15 is banned, most serious hunters wouldn't object.
 
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Chicago is actually a perfect example of why there needs to be stricter gun control laws on a national level. The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana where gun laws are less restrictive.
If this is the case, then why aren't the places such as Indiana (with their less restrictive gun laws) having the crime problem that Chicago is having?
 
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More gun laws will solve nothing! The laws we have are not even enforced. This whole gun control movement is not about safety or saving lives it ultimately is about gun confiscation and taking away the right to legal gun ownership.
A red flag law and assault weapons ban would have saved lives in Nashville yesterday.
 
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A red flag law and assault weapons ban would have saved lives in Nashville yesterday.
maybe maybe not because just banning something does not make them go away drugs are plenty proof of that we have had a drug war for decades, yet still lose 1000s of people a year directly or indirectly to drugs. They tried banning alcohol lasted less than 20 years because it did nothing but make things worse when half of all inmates were in for booze related issues.
 
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If this is the case, then why aren't the places such as Indiana (with their less restrictive gun laws) having the crime problem that Chicago is having?
In 2020, Indiana had the 17th-highest gun death rate in the country and exported crime guns at the 11th-highest rate.

In 2020, Indianapplois, Indiana had higher gun deaths per 100,000 than Chicago and homicide rate much higher than the national average.

Among the 92 counties in Indiana, Marion and Allen counties contain the state’s two largest cities, Indianapolis and Fort Wayne. These counties have rates of 23.4 gun deaths and 14.9 gun deaths per 100,000 people, respectively

Among the 102 counties in Illinois, Cook, DuPage, and Kane counties contain the state’s two largest cities, Chicago and Aurora. These counties have rates of 14.5 gun deaths, 4.0 gun deaths, and 5.2 gun deaths per 100,000 people, respectively

Indianapolis, Indiana, is among the U.S. cities with the highest homicide rates. There were a total of 216 murders reported in the city in 2020, or 24.3 for every 100,000 people — well above the national homicide rate of 6.5 murders per 100,000.

 
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A red flag law and assault weapons ban would have saved lives in Nashville yesterday.
No a ban would not! Just because she had an assault weapon meant only that is what she had available. She could have done the same thing with another type of weapon. We had an assault weapon ban in the past and a government study showed it had no measurable affect on crime. An assault weapon was not the murderer here a mentally unstable woman planned and executed this horrible crime. A red flag law might have helped if someone had noticed the warnings. Parents should have been more proactive from reports I’ve heard in this case.
 
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