Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

[dogs4thewin]

Would you object making the requirements for purchasing and owning a gun universal across all 50 states with:

• Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
• Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
• Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
• Have a minimum age limit to purchase a gun of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement;
• Require training and a proficiency test and;
• Obtain a letter from a doctor that an individual is of sound mind and body to own a gun before being allowed to purchase one.

yes, I would object to the ten day waiting period and the requirement to register.

 

[JosephZ]

Yet handguns kill more people and people keep focusing on the guns that take LESS lives.

This is true. Which is why I made the following posts immediately after the one you quoted.

In addition to banning assault style weapons like the AR-15, let's make the requirements for purchasing and owning a gun universal across all 50 states. Have provisions such as requiring registration and a license for each gun that a person owns, having a minimum age limit to purchase a gun of 21, require training and a proficiency test, and obtaining a letter from a doctor that an individual is of sound mind and body to own a gun before being allowed to purchase one.

Wouldn't these measures be fairly easy to implement? Wouldn't they address gun violence across the board? Not only would these measures reduce mass shootings, they would also go a long way in reducing the number of gun deaths in the US of all forms.

Why not make the requirements for purchasing and owning a gun universal across all 50 states with:

• Universal background checks on all gun purchases and transfers, including private transfers and sales at gun shows;
• Require a 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases;
• Require registration and a license for each gun that a person owns;
• Have a minimum age limit to purchase a gun of 21 to purchase a handgun and require a hunting license for purchases of rifles or shotguns by adults under 21 who are not in the military or law enforcement;
• Require training and a proficiency test and;
• Obtain a letter from a doctor that an individual is of sound mind and body to own a gun before being allowed to purchase one.

None of the above would take away a person's right to keep and bear arms. They will still have the ability to purchase guns for hunting, target shooting, and protection.

 

[JosephZ]

yes, I would object to the ten day waiting period and the requirement to register.

What do you find objectional about a waiting period and gun registration?

 

[dogs4thewin]

How would we do that without further gun control?

How do we enforce the laws already on the books without making more actually enforce them and not just say we do. For example. have harsher prison sentences for certain gun crimes

 

[dogs4thewin]

What is your source for this information?

for the suicide number you mean or for the fact in general most shootings are not completely random?

 

[JosephZ]

or the suicide number you mean or for the fact in general most shootings are not completely random?

"2 in 3 gun deaths are by the person's own hand and most of the others are either in the commission of some other crime, gang related or would have happened anyway."

 

[dogs4thewin]

What do you find objectional about a waiting period and gun registration?

The waiting period because self-defense is needed when it is needed and the registration because it is none of the government's business who owns which guns and frankly I do not trust them to know.

 

[dogs4thewin]

"2 in 3 gun deaths are by the person's own hand and most of the others are either in the commission of some other crime, gang related or would have happened anyway."

I read the number somewhere I am trying to tract it down as to the second that is just common sense in a way sense percentage wise truly random mass shootings actually lead to very few deaths.

 

[JacksBratt]

I’m pretty ok being Christian and pro gun control.

What do you consider acceptable "gun control"?

 

[JacksBratt]

Other than hunting, I think it's going to be hard to use the Bible on specifics of gun ownership.

I think what we should look at why own a gun and what do you use it for. As long as it's God-honoring, it's not wrong.

I own one. I bought it for defense. I had felt for some time that I needed to buy a gun for defense while I still had the chance.

I don't see any biblical reason why gun ownership would be wrong.

Gun's are objects, tools, and recreation.

I think it's time we stopped considering guns to be "taboo" or "evil". The media has hyped all of this up and blown it up to brainwash us.

Think of all the things that are hurting society.... and are legal.

Think of all the everyday things that are deadly.... if in the wrong hands or accidents are associated with their uses.

 

[JacksBratt]

The problem in America is citizens use guns to hunt other citizens. This makes our society less safe. Now America actually sacrifices lives of our citizens in our worship of guns. As a Christian, I am concerned with the unnecessary loss of lives.

The people that use guns to hunt other people ..... are not going to give up their guns through the implementation of gun control. They are also violent people.

They are also a very small percentage of those who possess guns.

 

[JacksBratt]

The purpose of the sword found in Luke 22:36 was to fullfill prophesy.

And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was counted with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” (Luke 22:35-38)

The events that took place at the Garden of Gethsemane were necessary so all prophecies concerning Him be fulfilled.

“For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors (Isaiah 53:12)’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” (Luke 22:37)

This is why Jesus replied with "That's enough," when his disciples said, “Lord, look here are two swords." (Luke 22:38) Two swords were more than enough needed for that moment in the garden when Peter would draw his sword on one of the men who came to arrest Jesus. Jesus allowed Peter to do this in order to fulfill the prophecy that He would be "numbered with transgressors."

So when Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?” (John 18:11) It was at this point the prophecy found in Isaiah, "He was numbered with transgressors", had been fulfilled.

The purpose of Peter carrying and using a sword was so he would be in violation the a law in order that Jesus would be seen as a transgressor (Criminal).

Since this prophesy was fulfilled and the purpose of the swords has long passed, those verses can't be used to support the idea that followers of Christ should carry guns for self defense today.

Do you think that Peter wouldn't have used his sword to protect them on the roads of their travels? I'm betting he was no slouch when it came to welding the thing.

 

[JacksBratt]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's it.... that is my viewpoint

Well said.

Not only for recreation and hunting... but to ensure that a tyrannical and malevolent government does not go against the people and their freedoms.

When a group in power, aims to remove the abilities of those they govern to protect themselves... be very afraid.

 

[JacksBratt]

Self defense is not a sin. Machine guns are already illegal. Felons are not allowed to possess firearms but they do anyways.

Absolutely.
In Canada, if you are on any street and possess a handgun... you are already breaking at least 21 Federal laws. ....

Do they think one more law is going to change that?

 

[JacksBratt]

Can you show how the Bible justifies hunting, particularly hunting with guns?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a gun owner, but I'm curious how you would develop such an argument. By the way, I'm also for more gun regulation. Many American citizens continue to show they are not responsible gun owners. If we can't be responsible as a whole, then we need legislation to step in the gap. Gun rights are not God-given. The Constitution is not gospel; it can be amended.

Well, there is this:

Genesis 9:3
English Standard Version​

3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

The way I see it... if everything that lives is food... Can't see a more ethical method to kill a deer or moose or any wild animal other than the use of a gun.

I believe that the constitutional reference to gun ownership is the very necessary need to be able to resist any force that tries to take away the rights and freedoms of the people.

As I have said before... the government is weak on crime in order to increase violence in order to give cause to outlaw guns... in order to have a people that are defenseless.

Chip Roy nails it....Go to 1:30 of this video...

 

[JosephZ]

Well said.

Not only for recreation and hunting... but to ensure that a tyrannical and malevolent government does not go against the people and their freedoms.

When a group in power, aims to remove the abilities of those they govern to protect themselves... be very afraid.

There is nothing "well regulated" about what we are seeing in the United States today.

 

[JacksBratt]

That seems like an odd argument. As a broad category guns can be used for hunting. But not all guns are suitable for hunting, including many of the more popular ones. Not to mention there are other ways to hunt, so it's not like hunting would stop if all guns were banished.

This is a common argument... That not all guns are suitable for hunting.

Many look violent.. look menacing... look like "military" objects of violence.

Let's clear that up...

A gun is a tube.. a metal tube that has an ability to have a projectile forced down it with an explosive charge...

That's it.

You can paint it.
You can fancy it up with scopes and flashlights and straps and funky stocks and barrel paraphernalia...
You can make it look 100 % military..
You can also have a plain Jane, simple stock and barrel....

All are just as dangerous... Just as deadly... just as useful to do harm or protect someone.. or.... to hunt..

What a gun looks like.... is totally moot

People are taught and told and made to believe that all these guns are terrible.... they look mean.. or bad....

They are still just guns.

A semi automatic 308... is a semi automatic 308... no matter what or how dangerous it looks.

It can be used to target shoot, hunt, kill predators and protect livestock.. or protect yourself from criminals...

Never be intimidated by what a gun "looks" like..

That is a big diversion.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't think the whole debate on guns is about hunting. Conceal carry, no licensing, transport across state lines. Slogan: "Guns don't kill people, people do" None of this is scriptural or Christian. The babblings of your favorite politician are not Christian, and possibly the opposite.

There is absolutely nothing sinful about owning a gun... unless it is breaking a law of the area you are in.

There is nothing in scripture regarding the owning or not owning a gun.. .but.. there is scripture about adultery.... which is rampant.

Nobody is a bad person for owning a gun...

Anybody who commits any crime is a bad person.

 

[Postvieww]

The Constitution is not gospel; it can be amended.

No it is not the gospel but it is the "law of the land" and yes it can be amended but why is it that many feel they can circumvent it?

More regulation will not fix the problem, criminals pay no attention to regulation. This debate is not about saving lives or any other feel good reason. The bottom line is some want to take all guns and prevent law abiding citizens from owning one. We have laws and regulations that are not enforced, if the powers that be were serious they would start with enforcing the exiting ones.

No law is going to prevent an evil person from doing evil. Guns do not kill people, people who pull the trigger kill people.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is nothing "well regulated" about what we are seeing in the United States today.

I agree... But.. more gun laws for law abiding people is not going to stop anything.

Tougher punishments on criminals is the answer.

But... both Canada and the US are doing the opposite... weak laws... weak punishement... letting guilty free and back on the streets..

Judges refused to stiffen punishements in Canada..

Repeat offenders are a gravy train for lawyers on both prosecution and defence sides...

In Canada 55% of the people poled.... favour the return of capitol punishement...

Increased gun crime is a perfect reason to increase restrictions and laws agains legal, safe, law abiding gun owners...

But.. will have no effect on gun crime and violence... which will lead to more laws... with no affect and more laws.. more laws... more laws... and the eventual confiscation of legal guns..

Leaving only the violent criminal irresponsible owners of guns..... with guns.

Good job..