When did the church which is Christ’s body begin? Study series. Lesson#1 Israel’s position of preeminence in Gods Kingdom.

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When did the church which is Christ’s body begin? Study series.

Lesson#1 Israel’s position of preeminence in Gods Kingdom over the rest of the Nations.


The first thing I would like to establish among the different positions held concerning the creation of the body of Christ, is Israel’s place in scripture; and what exactly is the inheritance that has been allotted to Israel, and what was the hope of the people of the nation when we open the N.T, in fulfillment of their covenanted promises, for we know that ever jot and title of Gods word will come to fulfillment!

In the call of Abram, God promised to make of him a great nation, and bless him, and make his name great, and he shall be a blessing. God would bless those who bless him (Abram) and curse those who curse him, and in Abram all the families of the earth shall be blessed (Gen.12:1-3).

In this foundational scripture there are many layers of meaning that are progressively revealed through God’s word, especially by our Apostle Paul, to which we will save for a later study as we progress.

While all blessing is centered in Christ, the seed of Abraham, I would like to look at the specifics of the greatness mentioned here, and the blessing that will be received by the nations for blessing Israel, along with the cures that will be received for cursing Israel, we find this to be the meaning as we follow this theme. The scriptures below show the position of preeminence Israel has in God’s kingdom over the rest of the nations of the earth.

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;(Gen.22:17-18)

Let peoples serve you, And nations bow down to you. Be master over your brethren, And let your mother’s sons bow down to you. Cursed be everyone who curses you, And blessed be those who bless you!” (Gen.26:29)

Judah, your brothers shall praise you. Your hand shall be on the necks of your enemies; your father’s sons shall bow down to you. Judah is a young lion—my son, you return from the prey. Like a lion he crouches and lies down; like a lioness, who dares to rouse him? The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes, and the allegiance of the nations is his. (Gen.49:8-10)


Here we have the blessing of the firstborn right which concerns abundant life and a position of preeminence; this spiritual blessing is passed down through the patriarch and would find its fulfillment in Gods Kingdom, the nation of Israel has the first born right over all the nations of the earth, when Christ returns to establish the kingdom of God, He will rule through the nation, for Israel is heir of Gods Kingdom over the nations (). When Christ returns, Israel will shine with glory of God, and all nations shall go to Israel, who will be a kingdom of priests that will bring the truth of God to a lost would, and minister between God and the nations. The nations shall tithe to Israel with the gift offerings of riches, blessing Israel and bowing down in obeisance.

Strangers will stand and feed your flocks, and foreigners will be your plowmen and vinedressers.6But you will be called the priests of the LORD; they will speak of you as ministers of our God; you will feed on the wealth of nations, and you will boast in their riches.7Instead of shame, My people will have a double portion, and instead of humiliation, they will rejoice in their share; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs.8For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity; in My faithfulness I will give them their recompense and make an everlasting covenant with them.9Their descendants will be known among the nations, and their offspring among the peoples. All who see them will acknowledge they are a people the LORD has blessed.10I will rejoice greatly in the LORD, my soul will exult in my God; for He has clothed me with garments of salvation and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom wears a priestly headdress, as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.11For as the earth brings forth its growth, and as a garden enables seed to spring up, so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring up before all the nations.



1 “Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.2 See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the LORD rises upon you and his glory appears over you.3 Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn.4 “Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the hip.5 Then you will look and be radiant, your heart will throb and swell with joy; the wealth on the seas will be brought to you, to you the riches of the nations will come 6 Herds of camels will cover your land, young camels of Midian and Ephah. And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.7 All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you, the rams of Nebaioth will serve you; they will be accepted as offerings on my altar, and I will adorn my glorious temple.8 “Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests?9 Surely the islands look to me; in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, bringing your children from afar, with their silver and gold, to the honor of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has endowed you with splendor.10 “Foreigners will rebuild your walls, and their kings will serve you. Though in anger I struck you, in favor I will show you compassion.11 Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations— their kings led in triumphal procession.12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.13 “The glory of Lebanon will come to you, the juniper, the fir and the cypress together, to adorn my sanctuary; and I will glorify the place for my feet.14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

22This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders.23Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you face down and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”

These scriptures will find their full consummation in Israels kingdom: note the greatness of the nation, in being a great multitude, as well as the blessed preeminent firstborn position, all nations will pour unto Israel paying homage to the nation, with gifts of tribute knowing that the God of Israel, is the God of gods and Lod of Lords, and Israel His blessed people, all the nations of the earth that submit to Gods rule through His ruling Nation, will be blessed with world peace, agricultural blessing, health, along with the longevity of life (Isa.2:1-4; Zech.14:16-21).

When we open the pages of the New Testament, we find the nation of Israel still under gentile oppression for their violation of the mosaic covenant, the times of the gentiles where still under way they nation was looking for their full national restoration in fulfillment of Daniels 70-week prophecy (Lk.2:1-2; Dan. 9:1-27)).The faithful members of the nation were waiting for the Coming messiah that would redeem the nation and restore the Kingdom to Israel, waiting for the coming of the crushing stone, that would crush the gentile oppressive beast kingdoms of this earth, and would establish the kingdom of heaven on earth, to which Israel would rule (Lk.1:72-80;2:30-32,36-38; 24:21; Acts.1:6; Dan.2:36-45;7:27)
 

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Question. after reading above, we see a difference between Israel and the nations; how do we reconcile this with scriptures that say there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, and we are one in Christ? Do scriptures like this cancel out the Old Testament promises of Israel's preeminent position over the nations? Or did the church of the New Testament replace these Old Testament promises to Israel, if so then who will be ruled over?
Or does God call out different companies, at different times, that have different promises, and instructions, that must be followed? As work men that need not to be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth we shall search the scriptures diligently finding our call and instruction. Amen!
 
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Question. after reading above, we see a difference between Israel and the nations; how do we reconcile this with scriptures that say there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, and we are one in Christ? Do scriptures like this cancel out the Old Testament promises of Israel's preeminent position over the nations? Or did the church of the New Testament replace these Old Testament promises to Israel, if so then who will be ruled over?
Or does God call out different companies, at different times, that have different promises, and instructions, that must be followed? As work men that need not to be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth we shall search the scriptures diligently finding our call and instruction. Amen!
#1 Number one verse is 1 Cor 12:12 Christ is one and there is ONLY ONE BODY .

#2 In Gal 3:28 reads , There CANNOT BE / OV is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and that mean what is says , THERECANT BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Jew , Greek / HELLEN , there there CANNOT BE / OV which is a DISJUCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE and there CANNOT BE / OV Slave NOR FREE , there CANNOT BE / OV A DISJUCATIVE NEGATIVE , be Male and Female for you ARE ALL / ESTE , PRESENT TENSE , for you ARE / ESTE , PRESENT TENSE , ONE IN CHRIST .

#3 And there is also one in Col 3:11 and notice how it begins , Where there CANNOT / DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , be Greek / Hellen and there many CANNOT and Greeks or Jews in the B O C as all , but Christ is THE ALL THINGS / TA PANTA and this means Paul is talking ONLY about the B O C ,

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Question. after reading above, we see a difference between Israel and the nations; how do we reconcile this with scriptures that say there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, and we are one in Christ? Do scriptures like this cancel out the Old Testament promises of Israel's preeminent position over the nations? Or did the church of the New Testament replace these Old Testament promises to Israel, if so then who will be ruled over?
Or does God call out different companies, at different times, that have different promises, and instructions, that must be followed? As work men that need not to be ashamed, rightly diving the word of truth we shall search the scriptures diligently finding our call and instruction. Amen!

During the 1000 year millennial kingdom, Israel will be the nation that is favored by God and all gentile nations have to make annual visits to Jerusalem.

So yes, all these OT passages about that, we will be seeing them happening.
 
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During the 1000 year millennial kingdom, Israel will be the nation that is favored by God and all gentile nations have to make annual visits to Jerusalem.

So yes, all these OT passages about that, we will be seeing them happening.
And from where do you `see ` them happening - heaven or earth?
 
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And from where do you `see ` them happening - heaven or earth?

The Body of Christ will be in heaven of course, as you said.

But Christ will also be sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem on Earth where Israel will inherit it (Matthew 5:5)
 
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The Body of Christ will be in heaven of course, as you said.

But Christ will also be sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem on Earth where Israel will inherit it (Matthew 5:5)
The Lord Jesus Christ`s seat of power and authority is in the third heaven, far above all. All other `thrones,` authorities are under Him. On the earth a man called David will be the regent king of Israel in the millennium. (Ez. 37: 24, Jer. 30: 9)
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ`s seat of power and authority is in the third heaven, far above all. All other `thrones,` authorities are under Him. On the earth a man called David will be the regent king of Israel in the millennium. (Ez. 37: 24, Jer. 30: 9)

Well is it difficult to believe that he can be at 2 places at the same time?
 
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Well is it difficult to believe that he can be at 2 places at the same time?
Yes, in His glorified body He will be ruling from His seat of power and authority where the Father SET Him in the heavenly Zion. (Ps. 2: 6, Heb. 12: 22)
 
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Yes, in His glorified body He will be ruling from His seat of power and authority where the Father SET Him in the heavenly Zion. (Ps. 2: 6, Heb. 12: 22)

So Christ will be ruling with the nation of Israel on the Earth.
 
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So Christ will be ruling with the nation of Israel on the Earth.
God`s word doesn`t say that. It says He rules `far above all ......in this age and also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 21)
 
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God`s word doesn`t say that. It says He rules `far above all ......in this age and also in that which is to come.` (Eph. 1: 21)

Did you look at Zechariah 8?

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
 
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Did you look at Zechariah 8?

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Yes, the Lord will certainly return to Zion in earthly Jerusalem. He will deliver His people from the world armies. He will also appoint a regent king, (David) and priests. (Isa. 66: 21, Ez. 37: 24) Then He will ascend to heaven again. (Ps. 47)

Thus, it is by His Holy Spirit that He will dwell and rule through Israel. We need to look at ALL the scriptures pertaining to that topic. See the Eph. 1: 21 & 22 that says that the Lord will rule far above all in this age and the one to come. Also, His own throne is in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)
 
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Yes, the Lord will certainly return to Zion in earthly Jerusalem. He will deliver His people from the world armies. He will also appoint a regent king, (David) and priests. (Isa. 66: 21, Ez. 37: 24) Then He will ascend to heaven again. (Ps. 47)

Thus, it is by His Holy Spirit that He will dwell and rule through Israel. We need to look at ALL the scriptures pertaining to that topic. See the Eph. 1: 21 & 22 that says that the Lord will rule far above all in this age and the one to come. Also, His own throne is in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)

You really cannot imagine Christ being in 2 places at the same time? He is God after all.

No need to resort to Christ stays in the 3rd Heaven while the Holy Spirit is the one in Jerusalem.

Besides, nothing in Zechariah 8 says its the Holy Spirit.
 
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You really cannot imagine Christ being in 2 places at the same time? He is God after all.

No need to resort to Christ stays in the 3rd Heaven while the Holy Spirit is the one in Jerusalem.

Besides, nothing in Zechariah 8 says its the Holy Spirit.
Yes He is in many places by His Holy Spirit, however, in His glorified body He will only be in one place at a time. Remember that the Lord will appoint a man called David to be King over Israel in the millennium and it will be through Him that the Lord will rule.
 
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Yes He is in many places by His Holy Spirit, however, in His glorified body He will only be in one place at a time. Remember that the Lord will appoint a man called David to be King over Israel in the millennium and it will be through Him that the Lord will rule.

I see, so its impossible to you to think of Christ as omnipresent. Alright then.
 
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There are three spheres of blessing 1# the earth, Israel after the flesh, ruling over the nations,(from gospels to mid acts) 2# the heavenly Jerusalem, the heavenly seed of Abraham (jew and gentile) "as the stars", the church of the firstborn, ruling over angels and the nations,(from mid acts to end of acts picks back up during tribulation) these two find their inheritance in Israel, and the callings took place during the acts period.

3# far above all, in the heaven of the heavens, the body of Christ (the corporate new man), rules over all the powers of the heavens and the earth. After Acts in the prison epistles until now
 
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There are three spheres of blessing 1# the earth, Israel after the flesh, ruling over the nations,(from gospels to mid acts) 2# the heavenly Jerusalem, the heavenly seed of Abraham (jew and gentile) "as the stars", the church of the firstborn, ruling over angels and the nations,(from mid Acts to end of Acts, picks back up during tribulation) these two find their inheritance in Israel, and the callings took place during the acts period.

3# far above all, in the heaven of the heavens, the body of Christ (the corporate new man), rules over all the powers of the heavens and the earth. After Acts in the prison epistles until now
I also believe that after all has been subdued to Christ and he delivers the kingdom to the father, then it says that the son will also then be made subjected unto the father(1 Cor.15:24-28), I believe this means when the work of the son is finished, that Christ will be absorbed back into the invisible God head as the logos, and we his body will be his eternal representative to all creation as Gods image.
 
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I see, so its impossible to you to think of Christ as omnipresent. Alright then.
I see the Lord is omnipresent by His Holy Spirit, (Godhead) but in His glorified Body He is in one place at a time.

So, Guojing, if you see that we, the Body of Christ will be on earth in the millennium, how is it that we are where there is still a damaged earth with sinful people?
 
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I also believe that after all has been subdued to Christ and he delivers the kingdom to the father, then it says that the son will also then be made subjected unto the father(1 Cor.15:24-28), I believe this means when the work of the son is finished, that Christ will be absorbed back into the invisible God head as the logos, and we his body will be his eternal representative to all creation as Gods image.
So, is this how you see it all in the NHNE?

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